support for taiwan, praising the president for inviting to -- invited taiwan to share expertise at the global covid-19 summits and continue to provide taiwan with the defense capabilities it needs to defend itself against chinese aggression. his initiation worked hard to beat back efforts by the people's republic of china to squeeze countries to wreck it -- 2d recognize taiwan. caller: i was going to support the taiwan. i was wanting to implicate the fact that some of -- i used to be a democrat, but now i'm from michigan. and the thing about it is a lot of things in this country run on polymeric procedure. parliamentarian procedure. totally exclude independent, so what we have is a thing that goes more cordial in our own government that is creating a dysfunction about the way we treat american citizens as themselves worried about taiwan and the simple fact is i be better if i just mailed my american citizenship to mexico and came back. they are paying these people and none of this is being brought up on the housewares. host: stick around in our 830 our next 8:00 hour. we are going to b

s position on taiwan so let me ask you about that. there seems to be an emerging consensus around europe about the need to deep then relationship with taiwan while sticking to the one china policy what steps can the e.u. take to send clear signals to beijing that anything but peaceful reunification will be unacceptable and just as a followup, the european parliament called for a bilateral investment agreement with taiwan, do you think there are any scenarios in which such an investment aimrement might make sense with taiwan? stefano: i think the answer to this question is sort of multilayered answer because on one hand, it is what we are doing. we want to strengthen our economic and cultural ties with taiwan. we are willing to continue our cooperation. taiwan is very important for all asia, exporting and producing the key components for our industry. it's a very lively economy. it's very lively society. so we will continue strengthening our relations with taiwan in the context, as you say, of the one china policy. it is also important

you're not buying weapons for taiwan. but i'm curious whether you think there are ways that jointly the u.s. and taiwan can think about new systems, not the traditional hardware that we've had, you know, going through the taiwan straights and standing on our show but things that speak to the ability to deter this very advanced adversary? >> yeah, thanks, david. certainly taiwan is currently under pressure as you read about and we've seen over the past number of months and you could argue years. recently, we've seen extensive maritime pressure. we've seen air pressures or pressures in the air domain, certainly in the cyber domain, undersea, on the sea, above the sea of the that's a pretty tough neighborhood. and we execute our responsibility. we talk to taiwan about capabilities that we think will be beneficial. that said, they get to choose. and because there are numbers of challenges, they're going to have to figure out how to decide which of knows capabilities they want to invest in. and with the help of the defense ind

how vulnerable is taiwan, and what signals it the biden administration sending taiwan? guest: i think on taiwan, the u.s. has always had a vague policy, intentionally ambiguous policy but our commitment to taiwan where we don't have a military alliance with taiwan to come to their aid, there is no treaty or agreement. it has been left unclear. basically china, which wants to read incorporate taiwan, is meant to be guessing over what u.s. intentions are. the biden administration has actually done a very good job at making that policy, keeping the policy intact with president biden at times seeming to sort of commit to taiwan security and white house aides rolling it back. there is nothing more ambiguous than that for beijing. but what the united states has done is i think, diplomatically, really supported taiwan. there has been a lot of military attention on providing arms to taiwan and other assistance. and i think what the administration hopes to do is make taiwan essentially what is being called a national security community, a porcupine where it is just going to be t

support for taiwan, praising the president for inviting to -- invited taiwan to share expertise at the global covid-19 summits and continue to provide taiwan with the defense capabilities it needs to defend itself against chinese aggression. his initiation worked hard to beat back efforts by the people's republic of china to squeeze countries to wreck it -- 2d recognize taiwan. caller: i was going to support the taiwan. i was wanting to implicate the fact that some of -- i used to be a democrat, but now i'm from michigan. and the thing about it is a lot of things in this country run on polymeric procedure. parliamentarian procedure. totally exclude independent, so what we have is a thing that goes more cordial in our own government that is creating a dysfunction about the way we treat american citizens as themselves worried about taiwan and the simple fact is i be better if i just mailed my american citizenship to mexico and came back. they are paying these people and none of this is being brought up on the housewares. host: stick around in our 830 our next 8:00 hour. we are going to b

just recently over in the indo-pacific and was able to visit a number of those countries including taiwan, including india. as you know, the recent development of the quad of the united states, japan, australia and india. a senator from delaware and i have written up a statement saying we missed out on an opportunity with the tppp, we missed that, for the reasons you mentioned. that is where we have a comparative advantage with china and it make sense to work with our friends and allies against this common concern in china. so we're seeing more concerns being raised by the eu and others about china in the south china sea and taiwan. and this is our greatest asset, i think it would be a mistake to view this as a bilateral competition between the united states and china. we need all of our friends and allies to join us in determining -- deterring china from aggressive military action say, in taiwan. we need all of their help in order to leverage things like export, our program here which many countries are modeling out after what we did in congress, because they share many of our concerns.

position when it comes to taiwan is clear. it is a position that we have sustained maintain peace and stability across the taiwan straight for decades. it is rooted in the one china policy. the taiwan relations act is a unique instrument. we don't have it with other countries. it talks about american commitments to support taiwan in various ways. the whole purpose of american policy toward taiwan and toward cross strait relations is designed to ensure that we never face a circumstance in which we need to directly answer the question you have post. -- posed. that is how we approach things in the biden administration and to the extent that we see china diverging from the kinds of policies that they are taking actions that undermine peace and stability, we will call them out and we have called them out. we believe there is a formula that works to maintain the status quo, the not have unilateral changes to that status quo. that is what the by the administration is pursuing and we think that that is well understood by our partners.

so, it was, i think, logical for taiwan to be there. it was not meant to be a particular statement about anything other than democracy. >> there is no doubt about the democratic spirit among people living in taiwan. let me ask you a question many of our viewers would be curious about. does usaid do pro-democracy programming in china and russia? is part of your mandate? >> usaid has long supported democracy reformers who work, many of them, outside of russia. we used to have programming in russia and have our space -- have had our space for doing that constrained more and more. so, some of that support goes to very courageous and brave human rights and moxie reformers outside the country. -- democracy reformers outside the country. i am sure that your subsequent speaker can speak more about that. but, we have come over the years, invested on a footing in certainly russia and to some extent, so today, in china. in china, the route -- of the work is, again, to the extent that, particularly, with some of the uighur activists, it has been ou

sure isn't going to come to the aid of taiwan if we do something with taiwan because china would conclude we are much more militarily powerful than russia is and the status questions about taiwan and sovereignty are a little murkier than those about ukraine. and there is no nato in the indo pacific. we don't have a nato with a charter with a self-defense article. i think china would determine if the west's response to a military invasion went so far as sanctions but no further, that the united states and other nations would be extremely unlikely to use military force to counter a military invasion of taiwan. i think taiwan would likely with the same thing. that is a fair concern i have about how the chinese and taiwanees would view the west's unwillingness to provide more significant military invasion by russia, is my concern a fair one or overwrought? >> senator, in this setting i would simply say that this is a moment of testing and i believe that both autocrats around the world and our friends around the world will watch extremely carefully what we do and it will have implications for

tandem right now, he writes, a potential russian invasion of ukraine, continuing chinese pressure on taiwan, and the potential collapse of the iran nuclear talks. any one of these standoffs has the potential to shape the world order and produce wider conflict. taken together, they signal that the u.s. and its allies are at a dangerous moment, perhaps more dangerous than many americans realize. president biden seeking to head off one of those challenges with that call, as we noted, a high-stakes call with russian president vladimir pickup town today. the front page of today's "hill" newspaper, up here on capitol hill, biden to offer a warning to vladimir putin. it was yesterday that white house press secretary jen psaki talked about that call and had questions about what president biden would say. >> the focus of the meeting, as was announced when we announced it this weekend, is an opportunity for the president to underscore u.s. concerns with russian military activities on the border with ukraine and reaffirm the united states' support for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of ukrai

we see what is going on with ukraine, we see what china is threatening with taiwan. the other day, the chinese flew aircraft over taiwan. they are trying to intimidate. this is because of what happened in afghanistan. host: a little bit more from you on the adoption you were talking about. how do you think that shaped who you are? guest: it really shows the american dream. andrew became my brother. he came here with one suitcase. he was like 25 years altered he was a marine in the vietnamese marines. he came with one suitcase. he spoke very little english. he went on to become a ceo of a major company in buffalo, new york. he passed away with some lung issues, it might have been agent orange. he was a man i loved and he showed the american dream. host: how did the adoption come about? guest: it was through a church. they were refugees in 1975. my dad made a decision -- funny story, he did not tell my mom they were bringing in a 25-year-old vietnamese marine. it turned out well. he was such a gentleman. he lived with us for about two years and he went to college near

some of them might be with the chinese and taiwan. some of them may be with ukraine. ukraine is a tough issue. we do not understand that this is a redline issue for the russians. when this soviet union broke up, there were 25 million russians living outside the soviet union, plus ukraine is considered the birthplace of russia. there is a lot of stuff going on that is a mixture of ethnic and political. we have to be careful about this. the expansion of nato probably was not the smartest move. ukraine is one of those issues we will have to deal with. host: you mentioned the withdrawal from afghanistan. what do you think our allies and foes see in that withdrawal that concerns you? caller: everybody wanted a withdrawal. trump wanted a withdrawal. the way it was done had bad theatrics to it. unfortunately, when the president said, they have to work out their own civil war, china could say we have a problem with taiwan. they are part of china. should we work that out the way we want to? it does create some difficulties. it was a tough move, but it would have been done one

in luciano's case, in nicaragua, aragua recognizes taiwan. i love taiwan. at the same time, nicaragua gets a lot of help from russia. the ortega regime gets support from russia. in the case of cambodia, in the current cambodian regime, they get lots of support from china. the democracy space, the human freedom space has become held hostage somewhat to great power competition where regimes can hide behind the financial support or the military support or the global support of the regime or the chinese communist party. i would welcome if each of you talk about how should we handle or grapple with this? let me start with you, alex. how should people in the west respond to those, if i can call them, threats? >> i think it is a big problem. i don't know what it is like in other parts of the world. the people in zimbabwe and many others in africa, they seem to be caught up. it is most like the old cold war situation. only that in this instance, the other party, china has become very powerful. a high cost, which many people are seeing, especially the ordinary peopl

there are increasing tensions with china and taiwan. and now you have russian troops on the border with ukraine. candidate biden campaigned on restoring america's credibility on the foreign stage. is he living up to that pledge? jen: he also campaigned on a promise to bring an end to a 20-year war that should have ended 10 years ago, to bring our troops home and not send another son, grandson, granddaughter, or daughter into a war that the afghans aren't willing to find themselves. he also pledged to stand up for democracy and pledged to stand up for countries like ukraine and their territorial integrity and that's something that he is standing up for and vocally doing now and raising concerns he has about the bellicose rhetoric and the military buildup. and he also pledged to stand up for human rights. you saw the decision we made yesterday -- made yesterday but the announcement i should say yesterday about the decision not send a diplomatic presence to the olympics because he believes it needs to be more than words. it needs to be act

here is the reality, we cannot wait because the rest of the world is not waiting period china, taiwan, the e.u. and all of the other countries around the world are not waiting, they are incentivizing and subsidizing the production of chips right now and they have been for a long time. [end video clip] host: she was talking about a piece of legislation, the chips act which would provide some of the things that she talked about. what do you think about that concept or the idea and endorsing that mr., you go first. -- mr. scott, you go first. guest: we need to have policies complement currency and trade policies. we do have to compete, and this is what the secretary was pointing out. china especially but also korea, japan, the e.u., they have all invested tens of billions of dollars just into the semiconductor industry alone. unfortunately we will need to keep up and build our own semi conductor plans to address some of the shortages. we also know that it is true that when factories move abroad research tends to follow as well , so r&d investments have fallen as we seen our industrial ba

have concerns we could be looking at a two front war with russia invading ukraine and china hitting taiwan? or maybe not immediately but that china would look and say, it is a green light. >> how the west, the biden administration address this russia challenge could send a clear message to all americans aloes -- allies, particularly in the pacific. the increased china russian alignment, and of course we know president putin is going to attend the beijing olympics. for those of you who recall 2008, it felt like a historical moment. what would stress the u.s. military capabilities the most? making a choice between having to respond to a challenge on the eastern flank and ensuring communication is open in the south china sea and indo pacific and making sure taiwan is defended. this is more about how the west is going to address spheres of influence whether in the indo pacific or in europe. will it do it with unity and strength and courage? or will it accommodate until there is a larger crisis? that is the key. we continue to look to xi jinping and vladimir putin talking more and coordinating

making sure taiwan is defended. i think this is more about how the west is going to address spheres of influence. whether it will do it with unity and strength and courage, or relate accommodate until there is a larger crisis? that is the key. but continuing to look to xi jinping and vladimir putin, talking about more, coordinating things at the united nations and other places, it is growing as an anti-western approach. we have to keep this in mind very much as we continue to strengthen our principles and international law. >> thank you, heather. general breedlove, are the turkish drones a contingent in countering putin? >> well, let's not talk about one weapon, but a good drone capability that is wrapped into ukraine's command and control system so that they can bring to risk to russian armored forces and russian mobile forces invading ukraine for the third time, that would be a good thing. >> fabulous. ambassador, is it possible the military buildup is a cover for the actual tactical objective, which could be visi

they've got a noose around taiwan. they have more influence in the world than anyone else right now. they are involved in europe, russia. i think they've been winning very much. as for political losers, unless it somebody like the cuomo brothers who are facing prison, i think it still and clear. host: when will we get a better idea? caller: i'm just not clear on who truly is a loser who is out of the loop. is it mansion? is it trump? you could make arguments they could all come back. i don't know who is really truly a loser except for somebody like someone facing charges. cuomo is facing criminal charges. perhaps matt gaetz. he may also be facing political criminal charges. i'm not sure about that. i didn't have a clear -- this guy just ended his career. host: thanks for the call. taking stock of the last 12 months. you can call in or you can join us on social media. on facebook, on twitter. these are a few comments from viewers on facebook and twitter. it was the vice president who sat down with margaret brennan for a

any comment on the decision of nicaragua to break relations with taiwan and return to china? ms. psaki: the decision deprives nicaragua's people of a reliable and democratic partner. as steadfast partner and friend to countries throughout the region. we encourage all countries that care about transparency, the rule of law and promoting economic prosperity for their citizens to expand engagement with taiwan. we refer to the state department anything further, they put out an extensive statement on that. reporter: on el salvador month the u.s. government has not -- ms. psaki: it's hard for me to know the context of that statement. the united states is hosted at two day democracy summit where he announced an extensive intention to contribute to the preservation of democracy around the world. as the president invade, democracy works best with consensus and cooperation and he has also noted we all need to continue to work harder to preserve our democracy. reporter: a foreign-policy question. one on afghanistan. yesterday, as was mentioned earlier, the head of central command, during th

tandem right now, he writes, a potential russian invasion of ukraine, continuing chinese pressure on taiwan, and the potential collapse of the iran nuclear talks. any one of these standoffs has the potential to shape the world order and produce wider conflict. taken together, they signal that the u.s. and its allies are at a dangerous moment, perhaps more dangerous than many americans realize. president biden seeking to head off one of those challenges with that call, as we noted, a high-stakes call with russian president vladimir pickup town today. the front page of today's "hill" newspaper, up here on capitol hill, biden to offer a warning to vladimir putin. it was yesterday that white house press secretary jen psaki talked about that call and had questions about what president biden would say. >> the focus of the meeting, as was announced when we announced it this weekend, is an opportunity for the president to underscore u.s. concerns with russian military activities on the border with ukraine and reaffirm the united states' support for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of ukrai

this every day in trouble spots around the world, ranging from the middle east to afghanistan to the taiwan strait. between russian adventurism in eastern europe, chinese development of new hypersonic missiles and saberrattling against taiwan and the extremist terrorist organizations like al qaeda and the islamic state, this is not the time to underfund our national defense. fortunately, the 2022 ndaa will adequately fund our defense needs and set clear priorities to our armed forces. the bill before us funds acquisition of ships to ensure the united states navy can meet its mission. and weapons systems that will allow our military to meet new and emerging challenges in the coming years. it provides our service members with a 2.7% pay raise. and perhaps most important of all, it includes many provisions designed to provide much-needed oversight of president biden's bungled withdrawal from afghanistan. america deserves answers about decisions that were made, and the resulting failures of leadership that occurred at all levels. thanks to this bill, they can be assured they will get them. our

last week, unanimous, totally bipartisan, and china is at or near the initial invasion capability for taiwan. every secretary for 27 years has devoted himself to reforming the pentagon. i am all for it. it is not going to change the basic issue. we need to do a lot of different things, but in my opinion, we will continue accepting risks to the homeland of vital national interests unless we get realistic about the top line. beyond that, i love the emphasis on innovation and modernization. we did a report a couple of years ago on china's advanced weapons programs. it is tremendous. if i had to choose, i would continue that, but we need other things, and we need those now. >> general? >> i want to respond to chairman smith comments. i spent a good deal of my career trying to make programs execute efficiently. i will give you an analogy. the thing we tend to get criticized the most for in this industry and government's overruns in our development programs. our average program overruns by 25%. in the commercial world, programs are overrun all the time also. it is not visible because people aren't

the president said, they have to work out their own civil war, china could say we have a problem with taiwan. they are part of china. should we work that out the way we want to? it does create some difficulties. it was a tough move, but it would have been done one way or another. maybe biden did it in a way that was maybe not the best way. i am not going to be super critical of him except to say that he -- that it was done not the best way, although everybody was moving in that direction. host: to san clemente, california, ron on the republican line. caller: thank you for taking the call. i have mixed views about the foreign policy but i think we should clear away some of the degree that has been out there in the media. number one is good as you mentioned about afghanistan, i think that was probably the smoothest >> we will leave this and take you live to a conversation with former homeland security secretary jeh johnson on cyber security and security of crucial infrastructure hosted by the atlantic council. introductions underway. >> our discussion today will focus on cybersecurity and ener

reporter: there is a report of -- in the taiwan straits. has the president been briefed about that and is he concerned about it escalating? and on that broader level, is the ministration -- administration preparing for beijing deciding to express frustration? sec. psaki: i would say first, we always raise concerns we have about provocations or escalatory havey or we see, i've not seen this -- escalatory issues we see, i've not seen this report. i will get back to you. reporter: -- in person summit between the u.s. and hong kong leaders in january, can you confirm that? sec. psaki: i am not tracking that plan, but i will check and see. where was it supposed to be? reporter: it was in some asian including japan. sec. psaki: ok, i will see if i can find some more details on that. reporter: you've been clear at least since september about the labor enforcement act that the president does not have a position. there is new reporting that a deputy secretary state is asking to slow the bill down. why would the debbie secretary of state retelling la

the intermediate range missiles for example china is using to threaten taiwan and is in a position to threaten japan and seoul, there were never limited. china was permitted intermediate range missiles. it only applied to russia and the united states. china was proliferating deployment of the intermediate ballistic missiles long before there was missile defense capability in japan, korea or in the region. the efforts to work with the japanese, with the south koreans developing ballistic missile capability is clearly in response to what the chinese are doing. russia is a harder case, but there was a treaty that would have limited the deployments in russia. the treaty eliminated a category of systems. russia was clearly viewed by first the united states and ultimately by nato as violating that treaty. what do you do when you have a treaty? you are abiding by it and the other side does not, and the trump administration decided to get out of the treaty. i would say the need to deploy defenses and get nato in is a result of the proliferation push by the russians to enhance their missile ca

for coordinated ones, or simultaneously occurring events like the ukraine build up and pressure on taiwan, as some kind of grand strategy that is a policy of this burgeoning partnership. from my point of view, i have seen them at in parallel but not on the same page because of certain faultlines. i am getting to your question. i think the faultlines are largely in the periphery. two key ones would be the arctic and central asia. the arctic, because russia has asserted an arctic identity because of its long coastline, the longest of arctic states, it sees china as an intruder. that is where russia has the dominant power. russia can be the gatekeeper for china. it likes to keep it that way. you do have a private company, novatech involved with china lng exports. that is divergent from the top down, but of course the company is close to putin. that is an area where russia wants to keep under its control. central asia will be an interesting area to watch with the events in afghanistan. how much is russia going to tolerate china taking a more assertive security role in the region? this is a re

i wanted to talk to the general and say we have to support ukraine and taiwan because they are the lines to keep us out of world war iii. they are being bullied by russia and china, putin and the chinese leader. we have to support them anyway we can. quick little comment, biggest problem in our country's right wing media. they call in every morning, they listen to this 24/7 and they are brainwashed. i appreciate c-span and thank you for taking my call. host: harvey calling from dallas, texas on the republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i enjoy watching c-span because there is no commercials, you speak the truth, and you get to the core of the problem. i get daily multiple calls saying this is so and so on a recorded line, can you hear me? it goes into a pitch for medicaid part c or advantage plans. they are telling people about the free things they can get and what they don't do is tell you the downside. for example, if you sign up on the advantage plan, you are not happy with it? and you leave the plan, you cannot get back on the traditional

and finally, the bill strengthens alliancees like taiwan and europe the and will provide with latvia and lithuania. i want to thank my ranking member and staff, shannon, jessica, zachary as well as my m.o.a. michelle. colleagues, in addition to me and the challenges, 2.7% pay raise. and combat extremism. it is a good bill. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired the gentleman from washington reserves. the gentlemanfrom alabama. mr. rogers: i would like to recognize the gentleman from wisconsin. >> i stand in support of the national defense authorization act. this includes a top line budget for ship buildings, missile defense and a number of other priorities that will ensure the national defense of our great neighing. the n dmp arch a will improve the lives and by authorizing the military basic pay raise of $2.7% and reenforces the commitment to the military family to increase parental leave and expand the pilot program and with special needs' children and provides comprehensive reform. requires the department of standardized the military education across the joint f

, chinese genocide against the uighurs and it is aggression against hong kong, tibet and threats to taiwan. i see this as an opportunity and i think there will be a challenge with the coalition. i think we can address that with strong and respectful diplomacy. on trade and investments, germany is our third largest source of direct investment in accounts for over 800 50,000 jobs for americans and we in turn account for about 750,000 jobs in germany. germany has a model of apprenticeship that i believe we could build on in close partnership with germany which exists in the united states in some states and i think we can do more. it's a great alternative for talented, hard-working young people for whom four-year colleges not the best. the apprentice program has grown in the democratic republic and i think we can learn and work with germany on it. >> thank you very much, can i ask for barrett's for one more question? >> go ahead. >> you as a mayor will be nearby in a tough neighborhood. i will be interested in how you we can repair the pakistan-u.s. relationship while encountering -- engaging

when you look at what china is going to do with taiwan, what russia is going to do with the ukraine, people want to talk about freedom, being able to get up and go, not wearing a mask and being free. it won't matter. when i was a little man, they said if the chinese march on us, we are done. people better be thinking. you better stand up and fight for this country because i see it eroding. have a great day. host: before you go, a practical example of that coming up in the upcoming olympic games. there has been a diplomatic boycott with the u.s. sending athletes. do you think there should be a full boycott of the games in beijing? caller: i think politics should be out of the games. it should be up to the athletes who trained up to years, i would not take it away from them. let them decide if they want to be part of that. as far as the government, they should stay away. as far as individuals and olympic teams, let them go and compete. host: the argument on the others of that is allowing china to hold these games and get the attention only helps build up the image of china in the world

when you look at what china is going to do with taiwan, what russia is going to do with the ukraine, people want to talk about freedom, being able to get up and go, not wearing a mask and being free. it won't matter. when i was a little man, they said if the chinese march on us, we are done. people better be thinking. you better stand up and fight for this country because i see it eroding. have a great day. host: before you go, a practical example of that coming up in the upcoming olympic games. there has been a diplomatic boycott with the u.s. sending athletes. do you think there should be a full boycott of the games in beijing? caller: i think politics should be out of the games. it should be up to the athletes who trained up to years, i would not take it away from them. let them decide if they want to be part of that. as far as the government, they should stay away. as far as individuals and olympic teams, let them go and compete. host: the argument on the others of that is allowing china to hold these games and get the attention only helps build up the image of china in the world

about what it would be like if in the course of china trying to hypothetically invade the island of taiwan and strike out through cyber mean of the u.s. to knock our military offline for a critical period. the kinds of things they would attack are no longer naval bases in the pacific only. they also include our cybersecurity systems. to defend against a nationstate adversary like a china or russia is hypothetical. the example secretary johnson told us about israel and iran going at each other through cyber means is not speculative fiction, it is actually today's security reality. so, the problem is that simply because we can see there are cyber threats, we know more resources are necessary, but it is hard to know exactly how much more. the cybersecurity and energy security agency is currently about a $2 billion a year organization, and that money gets divided up between cybersecurity and the other major mission of critical infrastructure protection. some of the democrats in the congress have talked about raising that by a small amount. at the other end, you have people like representative