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as tim's son put it, when john madden described the wish bone offense, even the non-football fan would get it. it was like my dad explaining the electoral college. it was what was likely to happen punctuated with his enthusias expressions morphed into tim's use of the white board to spell out florida, florida, florida. tim had a special appreciation of madden's powers of observation like his admonition to hotel guests not to sleep on the side of the bed where the telephone is located because the mattress is likely to sag. those talents, those gifts certainly transcend his chosen field. mark. >> well, i mean, i think you see the nature of enthusiasm. whether you're in an entertainment empire like the nfl or the news business. i think the thing that john madden did is he just did it with his full soul and his whole heart and it was, he really, he transcended to so many of the divides in this country. it's very hard to think of a single figure who not only crossed different cultural realms, it's hard to find anyone anywhere who doesn't have a nice thing to say about him. not just because

. >> takes jeffrey clark to make john eastman to look less terrifying. tim miller, i want to press you on what i think congressman kinsinger sort of put in the lexicon about what their legal paperwork reveals they were plotting. they were laying out the legal pillars to overturn the results of the 2020 election, which was protected by lifelong republican chris krebs, who said it was the most secure election in our country's history, who bill barr, who seemed very willing to do all sorts of bidding for donald trump, the top doj, he left before he would carry out any of these ridiculous attempts to say there was fraud when there wasn't. jeffrey clark was in there, subverting the rule of law, as neil said, inside the department of justice. he was held up and propped up by donald trump. do you think that anywhere in sort of what he may face, he decides to tell his story? i didn't do it. donald trump told me to do it. >> to me, jeffrey clark seemed like a person, sure, he might say that. he might say donald trump told me to do it and try to pass the buck, but

here is a story, it's not from you, it's from tim alberta. it was in politico in 2020, and this is a story i think that defines who mark meadows was. when john boehner found out there was a group of these freedom caucus members who were plotting to make sure that he was not going to be speaker and to vote against him. and while meadows had not actually voted against boehner, this is what boehner recounts to tim alberta. boehner was on the couch sitting across from me in his office. suddenly he slides off the couch, down onto his knees and puts his hands together in front of his chest. he says mr. speaker will, you please forgive me. this incident was witnessed by other people, including his chief of staff who described it as the strangest behavior ever seen in congress. that's the type of person meadows was as a person of congress. what do you make of the kind of enablers he became when donald trump tried to overthrow an election? >> well, you know, that's classic meadows. i've always thought as meadows as not so much a traditional chief as a

and co-found earp of punch bowl news john bresnahan along with senator tim kaine of virginia. i feel that we are quite festive here at the table on this friday. i could have blue but really weird you all walked in and i was like are we doing wardrobe here? what am i missing out on? okay. so senator kaine, i'll start with you. narrowly avoided a shutdown. were you waiting with bated breath? >> i think the sticking point is something that is big. i was never worried there would be a shutdown. you know this deja vu feeling. the sticking point was the interesting one, republicans in the senate were saying we're not going to allow government to be funded unless we can repeal the biden, what they call, vaccine mandate. of course it's a vaccine or testing mandate. if you don't want a vaccine because you're worried about your health, you think there's microchip, you don't like needles, you just have to be tested once a week so when you walk into your work place you won't infect your colleagues with a deadly virus. >> that seems completely reasonable. >> they wanted to defund the vacci