care about the white house. you care about congressional staff, you care about interest groups and advocacy organizations. and the individuals who work for those organizations. you care about the media. you want to have good relationships with the media. you also want to have good relationships with the bureaucracy. and certain departments in which you have a lot of work. in this city i would make the case that personal relationships with sort of the coin of the realm. when somebody like sean spicer or reince priebus leaves the white house, it's not just that they have to recruit, rehire, retrain, they also lose all of those personal relationships. and those are things that are not easily transferable. you can teach somebody how to do a job. you probably hire somebody who has experience in washington, and in politics. they're relatively easy to probably train and show them how -- the ropes. but you cannot transfer all of those personal relationships. so for those reasons i would say that it's very important to s

the white house. as you know would be white house you are there for a short time. the clock is constantly ticking when you're there because you know have a finite time, either four years or possibly eight years. you know the private sector, it's much different. there's a profit incentive. so there are variances but i would say there are a lot of similarities in terms of the downside of turnover. meaning that it creates inefficiencies that it changes, it affects morale. i would say in the government, too what is so important for working for the government and maybe you have learned this from some of the speakers today. but it's personal connections. we talked about the washington community meaning if you're working the white has you don't care about the white house. you care about congressional staff. you care about interest groups and advocacy organizations and the individuals who work for those organizations. you care about the media, you want to have good relationships with the media. you also want

it changes the white house. it changes the clintons. >> there seemed to me to be a terrible cloud everywhere. >> vincent foster was a lifelong friend of president clinton's, and mr. clinton returned to arkansas for the funeral service. >> in the meantime, he's asked the justice department to coordinate the investigation of this tragedy. >> but on the night of the suicide and the days that followed, that investigation would be complicated by disputes over the contents of foster's office and who had access to it. >> vincent foster has died. the president has been informed. mrs. clinton has been informed. people then start visiting vincent foster's office in the white house. >> there was evidence that documents were removed from foster's office. >> the white house counsel, bernard nussbaum, presidential aides, mrs. clinton's aides start removing documents. now, what's going on with that? >> the park police wanted to come in and search the office for his papers. >> mr. nussbaum is denying them access. >> his positio

kelly o'donnell at the white house. for more on all of us this let's bring in steve israel, a former democratic congressman from new york. mr. israel has served in democratic leadership positions, was a top ally of nancy pelosi when he headed the committee that helped reelect democrats. . a republican strategist who worked for the george bush administration and the 2012 romney campaign. congressman israel, let me begin with you, you're a former party whip. how big is it that two republican senators now say basically make a deal, breaking with their own conference putting more pressure on the president? >> well, it's very significant, and here's why. in the next cycle not only is this a presidential campaign, but you've got 22 republican senators up for re-election compared with only 12 democratic senators. a signature number of those 22 republicans are running in purple states. the longer this shutdown continues the more jeopardized their elections are. i think you will see more defections from moderate republican senat

the white house. never before has cuffy's long heel trod the white house floor." alluding to the black guests at the new year's reception, columbus, ohio, paper snidely said "a negro major in full uniform was put off the street cars in washington and made to walk. let him go to the white house for consolation, there he will be received as one gentleman receives another." three weeks later, that african-american major alexander t. augusta, took up that newspaper's sarcastic challenge and went to the white house. dr. augusta was the director of the freedman's hospital. along with his assistant, surgeon, and protege, dr. anderson abbott, also black. he attended a white house reception where, according to a baltimore newspaper, they were kindly received. dr. abbott recalled that the commissioner of public buildings, benjamin brown french, greeted them. that is, he greeted him and dr. augusta, with all the urbanity imaginable, and conducted them to the president. upon catching sight of major augusta, linco

the white house has not commented on that. we are not expecting any comment and i am told they are not looking for an alternate location. there is so many other urgent matters that's happening right now on their plate. in terms of anticipating a response on that particular issue which yesterday our guidance was maybe something coming quickly, clearly that's not happening. they are not addressing that. this move is a way to try to shine a light on what people in the white house would say is the speaker wanting it both ways, to be talking about negotiations and upbringing people together and having a plan trip. as congressman kildee points out that speaker pelosi was not taking it. >> did you know that? >> i have no idea. i will tell you this. this is a woman who'll take all responsibilities extraordinary. he works ha she works harder than anybody here on the globe. president trump should take a lesson from her. if he worked that hard, he would not ha and we would not have a problem. >> reporter: she's a global figure now. >> yo

fill us in. >> the white house is actively engaged in the search. they sent scouting teams to different locations around the world that the white house is considering as locations for the summit. we know that singapore which is where the last summit was is not on the list, but there are a host of other countries that have pros and cons. the u.s. doesn't have a leading contender yet and haven't shared a list of possible locations with the north koreans. that's going to be the key. it's going to be a challenge on two fronts. the first of which kim jong un doesn't like to leave north korea and he is cautious. doesn't like to leave it without his control. an administration official told cnn, my colleagues here that he was particularly sensitive after the singapore summit. he received criticism for arriving on a china air flight. it will be a challenge to see how he gets there. as i mentioned before, with stalled diplomacy, how are you going to figure this out? if steve is meeting with his north korean counterparts, they have to get it on the calendar. >

and nancy cook, white house reporter for politico. phil, as emotional as that is, and as abrupt a reminder to everyone watching that these are families, many of them, choosing between gasoline and childcare and food and medicine and those kinds of things because it's hard to just take away a pay period or two, god forbid. i want to show you a bit of sean hannity's broadcast tonight, phil, we'll talk about it on the other side. >> drugs are pouring across our borders, leading to even more death and more destruction. human trafficking, drug trafficking, violent offenders. without a doubt, this is a national emergency. it's time to build the wall. the president is right to fight to protect american lives. >> phil, is it me or could he be possibly laying the groundwork for the president to declare a national emergency tomorrow night? >> well, it's not the first time, brian, that his show has been in sync with this white house. and i think he is very much helping the white house lay the groundwork for that. we saw that today. i was at a br

white house officials thought maybe privately they would come off it a little bit if the white house offered some concessions as well. that didn't happen, and the meeting ended with the president telling them bye-bye. no other meetings scheduled right now. >> in terms of the president's address last night, did it accomplish what the president wanted it to? >> white house officials feel it went well because there weren't any mishaps. the president didn't stumble. that was a venue he had been uncomfortable with. he had not wanted to do many addresses from the resolute desk. but other than this, they thought it went fine. the president himself told news anchors according to the "new york times" that he didn't think the message last night was going to change any minds of his critics and it doesn't seem to be that way, which is the agreement that neither did the democratic rebuttal that followed the president. so neither of the measures seemed to move the goal posts here for these negotiations. the president also said he didn't think the trip to the border would really do that either. >>

they put someone new in the office of personnel security in the white house. nbc says he carl kline was asked in connection with the story and didn't reply. four months into this administration, they put this new guy into the office of personnel security into the white house. a lot of the reporting about the initial security clearance problems were people were working at the white house without being able to get a clearance. four months in, they put somebody in to get a problem solved. once he was in there, he was over ruling when career security clearance folks said no, no, this should be a rejection. this reporting is that 30 times, at least this one supervisor who trump put in there, 30 times at least this guy handed out a clearance to an incoming trump white house person who was otherwise flagged as two risky to get a clearance approved. 30 of them. at minimum. christ. for very basic context here, as far as i understand it, there are basically four levels of security cler raarance. there is confidential level and secret next level up and top secret and abo

we're getting new insight into the white house from former white house aid cliff simms. this is what the washington post published. they published excerpts from his book and they write this. he said it's impossible to deny how absolutely out of control the white house staff, again, myself included, was at times. so you're at the white house almost every day. it lines up with all that has been reported about the dysfuncti dysfunction. how does the behind the scenes chaos contribute to how the shutdown is unfolding? and everything else? >> you know, chaos is too kind of a word. larry kudlow came out to the briefing room and we were talking about the severity of the shutdown, but he couldn't deny that there was, quote, hardship, he kept going back to but we have this wall issue. it just doesn't marry. when you have people that are hurting, and i talked to officials that even said that yes, the nation is vulnerable. i got that today, but yet it's all about a wall. everything is vulnerable. people are in hardship for this wall. it will only deal with a certain portion of the

house than other previous white houses. >> is it really that alarming that it's happened 30 times and in the case of jared kushner twice? >> there have been stories since the -- almost the beginning of the trump administration about kushner and his quest for security clearances, his trouble getting them and he has them, then he hasn't. so the alarm is that the ability of kushner to pursue these security clearances only comes because his father-in-law is the president of the united states he's not just any old senior adviser who might have duties reassigned. this was somebody who before even all his duties were very defined, i know he had a portfolio that did include some things were needed, but that is the unusual time we're in, that he knew he had the power in the white house to pursue his quest for security clearances where other senior advisers without the family connection might not been able to keep the pressure on. >> we were just talking with some of our experts and asking who's next, what after stone -- who's name could be in the purview there of robert mueller and many of the

cnn's abby philip joins me live from the white house. abby, also stunning, the president in this letter referring to elected officials meeting with service members in harm's way as a mere public relations event. the president just went to iraq. so did a republican delegation and all of them did during the shutdown. >> that's right, jake. this letter coming as a bit of a surprise today. it unfolded quickly. sources are telling us this really came to shape this morning and when the president found out that this trip was planning on going forward over the weekend, he took immediate action, according to a senior administration official. >> president trump's feud with congress i congressional democrats over the government shutdown taking a dramatic turn. late today, the white house issued this new letter, responding to house speaker nancy pelosi's request that trump postpone his state of the union address because she claimed federal workers weren't getting paid and, thus, it could be a security issue. now, the white house using that same excu

joining me now, gabriela orr, white house reporter for politico and jeff mason, white house reuters correspondent. jeff, you were in that room as lawmakers arrived for this meeting. it sure sounds like both sides are digging in. >> it certainly does. the president made very clear that the wall was his top priority. he did indicate he's willing to see what the democrats come to the table with. he did say he thought they could make deals in 2019 and work together, but then he just doubled down on that wall and said, as in the clip that you just played that the government could stay shut down for some time. he went over and over again with secretary nielsen, the secretary of homeland security and the attorney general and acting for justification as far as needing the wall and talked about it's a major security issue. that's the message he's going to bring in this afternoon in the situation room, which adds another element of secrecy and importance to that topic. >> what is your reaction to what we heard from the president and do you think anything will actually be accomplished? this meeting at the w

the white house has denied it. it just underscores that the government's still shut down and these are the people that are supposed to be talking and figuring a way out of this and it just seems that everybody is further apart and not moving. they believe their winning the political fight and believe their bases are happy. we essentially stand now almost four weeks into this shutdown exactly where we did on day one of this shutdown. none of that is happening over the weekend either. there's the microon the fight over the flights and there's the macro and things are broken down right now. >> talking to a coast guard wife yesterday she just said how scared she is. phil mattingly, thank you. >>> what about the potential 2020 contenders? they're weighing in on this buzzfeed news report today from senators corey booker to bernie sanders. we'll take you live to iowa where senator kirsten gillibrand where she addressed the possibility that the president obstructed justice. what she just said next. at fidelity, we help you

he says he doesn't want to pull that trigger just now but according to white house officials the white house counsel emmett flood is looking into the possibility. if the president were to pull that trigger, dane, a you can pet the democrats would go for legal action in a heartbeat. >> dana: you have a new response from the white house on the claim of terror suspects at the southern border? >> yes, this is something that stems from chris wallace' interview with sarah huckabee sanders sunday morning, she said 4,000 tlifts, terror-connected people were apprehended at the border. tlifts. and the most vulnerable part of the entry process into the country, is the southern border. it turns out that is misstating the case, kellyanne conway on the driveway, we will have the tape m a few minutes, said that was a misstatement. she said last night on laura ingraham's program as well. >> it was a misfortunate misstatement, all of us make mistakes. it's corrected here. anybody who turns a blind eye to the actual numbers of the human trafficking, the increase in the drugs, we are concerned about your

live from the white house. i don't know what sarah sanders is supposed to say, but i want to get to the nitty-gritty of this and the legal in just a minute. again, this is the ceo of the trump organization who said he was going to run the government like a business. what business school teaches you that if you're the ceo and now six people -- five of whom are actually pretty close to you. in the case of michael cohen and roger stone, very, very close to you -- are under indictment. there's been no direct criminal allegations against the president with roger stone. michael cohen alleges he is involved in another violation. in another document, michael cohen admits he lied for the president. what else do they need? if you put them in the search engine on computer, you will find that they are snakes. >> the irony is if this actually were a business, it's hard to believe they would survive. we have so many people with so many legal problems. trump, before he came into the white house, surrounded himself with some p

jeff mason, white house correspondent for reuters. the big announcement this weekend, kamala harris and this 20,000 plus turnout. it was pretty impressive to see. >> she stuck the landing and particularly given the fact that she slow rolled it. she announced an announcement of an announcement of an announcement and i thought that you have probably used up a lot of the oxygen but as other people have observed, that was obama-esque to get a crowd of that much size of that energy. a huge selling point for her is going to have to be i can go crowd for crowd with donald trump, if donald trump does his rallies i can too, i can generate that kind of energy. >> bret: jeff, do you agree? >> yes, and early, it's hard to forget that we are actually -- it's just january still at 2019. we are a far ways away from getting to the iowa caucuses, from getting to the point where voters will actually make some decisions and to get that many people now at this point in the process, it's a feather in her cap. >> bret: she benefits from california moving u

you've worked in a white house, we have never seen anything like what we're seeing in this white house. and that decision today to have a legislative meeting about the budget in the situation room was obviously a stunt at the republican white house. and it makes me wonder at what point do the democrats say we aren't going to participate in white house stunts, if you want to have real white house meetings we'll attend those? >> right, and i think that in the first meeting of the year when you're the incoming speaker and the senate minority leader in the case of pelosi and schumer and the president of comes too, a for an obvious reason to make it seem like national security is at stake with the wall, which it's not. and even at a trump white house you're not going to let the press send their cameras into the situation room. perhaps a staff person wisely thought at the white house end not allowing cameras in, it was going to end up being better for the president. and the situation room is a place to do that. >> i think that's a great point, jennifer. i didn't think of that, but the white

he did get stuff done at the white house this past year. an extension of 2018 going into 2019. >> it is different way, hollywood is treated in favor of conservatives versus hollywood coming out and firing at republicans. heather: jane curtin who is known for her role in the movie coneheads kicked off the new year with controversy by saying this on cnn it's new year's eve show. >> my new year's resolution is to make sure the republican party dies. heather: that did not sit well with some conservative commentators like tommy laren who says her saying that only makes us 100 times stronger, these libs don't get it, tucker on twitter saying that is not hate speech or anything and lastly best signing in saying jane is out of touch with reality. a lot of people ringing in the new year wanting unity and saying they hope people come together but not miss curtin. >> it is new year's eve, what is the point? why do that on new year's eve? great job in times square with griff. >> we had a blast, thank you so much. thank you so much. it is 26 after the t

democrats aren't budging and the white house isn't budging either. the white house did not think they were going to get here and now i don't think they know where to go. they spent the week sort of doing these public relations campaigns, the visit to the border, the national address, the round table, the president coming out and talking to reporters about the national emergency he could declare. it did not move the needle at all. i think the white house is really out of tricks in their bag and yes, they don't know where to go from here. one way they could go is the national emergency or they could make a counteroffer to democrats, maybe it's not $5 billion for a wall. maybe it's $2 billion like the vice president tried to offer before the holiday break. but those are two routes that, as far as today, they haven't indicated they're willing to take. >> when do the people get to declare it's a government emergency and get some of these federal workers families their paycheck? jonathan la mere, your reporting tonight is that the president didn't like wha

>> i assume i signed whatever sean spicer did in the white house. i assume i signed whatever corey lewandowski and -- >> are you worried about being sued? >> no. at this point all it is is tweets. i haven't seen any -- i haven't been sent anything on that. just kind of wait and see on that. >> why do you think the president is so upset? >> i think it probably has honestly more to do with the coverage of the book than it does the book itself. >> because he hasn't read -- >> he hasn't read it. he won't read it. and that's okay. i think that it's a point for him of frustration, the portrayal of the white house as being chaotic. and i do portray that in certain scenes. i think actually if he read the book he wouldn't be as mad. >> although let me just say, reading this paragraph -- this line you say, "the 15 months you were there it was the most cutthroat, toxic, mean-spirited, draining work environment you had ever encountered. >> yes. >> that's not good. >> no, it's not. and it was definitely a tough place to work. there's a reason the book is called

first let's go to the white house. kelly, i know that your colleague, kristen welker, just spoke to rudy giuliani on the phone. what is he now saying about his response last night about whether or not there was any collusion with the campaign? sounds like he's flip-flopping once again. >> he's pushing back that if it appeared he was changing his position that was only subconsciously and he is focused on really trying to cling to the client relationship here. he has also sort of summarized his conversation with our colleague, kristen welker, with a now written statement in just the last several minutes where the former new york mayor and private counsel to the president says i represent only president trump, not the trump campaign. there was no collusion by president trump in any way, shape or form. likewise, i have no knowledge of any collusion by any of the thousands of people who worked for the campaign. and the only knowledge i have in this regard is the collusion of the clinton campaign with russia, which has so fa

nbc news chief white house correspondent hallie jackson has more. >> reporter: at the white house a shutdown sales job as the president makes a pr pitch aimed not at lawmakers but you with that speech and border trip to highlight what his administration describes as a humanitarian and security crisis. vice president spence says no decision has been made yet about declaring a national emergency. >> declaring an emergency on our border, an emergency that doesn't exist is probably the worst public policy idea i've heard in about ten years. >> reporter: the white house cites the growing threat of terrorism at the southern border numbers provided to congress in may first reported by nbc news show in the first half of the 2018 fiscal year agents encountered only six immigrants listed on a terrorist screening database. >> this completely contradict what we heard from white house officials as they built their case for a border wall and for shutting down the government in order to get that wall. >> reporter: in a letter to democrats the white house is loosening its definition of border wall, steel no

there is now a trend of white house officials or people close to the white house who didnon't seem to understand the paycheck to paycheck nature of some government employees. >> i don't really quite understand why because as i mentioned before, the obligations that they would undertake say borrowing from a bank or credit union are in effect federally guaranteed. >> but this is so much bigger than any one person. it is a little bit of pain, but it is going to be for the future of our country. >> huge share of government workers were going to take vacation days say between christmas and new year's. and then we have a shutdown. and so they can't go to work. and so then they have the vacation but they don't have to use their vacation days. and then they come back and they get their back pay, and in some sense they are better off. >> okay. cue the cleanups when you have comments like this. the first comment from the commerce secretary is he doesn't understand why people are going to a food bank, why not just get a loan. he used the words nobody should have a liquidity crisis. almost as one

correspondent, jeff bennet, my clegg at the white house. garrett on capitol hill. charlie and msnbc contributor, barney frank, former democratic congressman. thank you for being here and happy new year to you guys. jeff, i want to start off with you. i would like you to set the scene here and the stakes. how is president trump trying to frame this debate, he canceled new year's and he's been at the white house trying to handle all of this and, yet, no signs he is ready to make a deal. >> great to see you, kristin. >> reporter: the president's message is he is here in washington, at the white house, ready, willing and able to do a deal. that talk, that rhetoric hasn't been backed up by action. as we understand, the president has not talked to democratic leaders in at least ten days and is in no mood to make concessions as aides tried to soften his position saying the border wall was a metaphor for border security. we have seen how the president undermined them. here is the latest tweet. the democrats, as i suspected, allocated no money for a

let's go straight to edward lawrence at the white house. what happened >> it was a tale of two views of this same meeting. president donald trump did walk out of the meeting that he had called with house and senate

here's the white house. that's the glass house down there. at this stage the white house was still recovering from the war of 1812 and the burning of 1814. wall around it put nd in by jefferson. you can see a gate over on the right-hand side with a tiny carriage. i challenge you when you're looking at the painting to find the carriage. it's the size of a grain of rice. pennsylvania avenue did not go through to begin with. at this stage they had cut it through above the white house. you can see lafayette square, which is finally getting tidied up and then to the left of lafayette square you can see blair house. above it, decatur house. at this stage, 18 ta, the south portico had just gone in. the north portico had not been finished. john quincy adams had become the president but his great gardening efforts had not really gotten under way. down in the foreground you can boons' cottage. john quincy adams used to swim in the river all the time. there is a good diary entry where he says he went down to the willows. the mansion is just above the co

the white house hasn't said anything. but us white house reporters are checking to see what happens. now it's the president's move to figure out his check mate to this. >> the president wants to make this shutdown not feel real, and she wants to make it feel real. he's sending government workers to try to make things feel normal. she's reminding people this is not normal. there is a shutdown going on. we're postponing the state of the union. look at the stories from the people. it's part of the strategy as they try to win the political battle over the shutdown. >> seconds after the words came out of my mouth about congressman gottheimer joining us, he has cancelled. this was a set up interview. they say officially because of scheduling concerns. we obviously hope they can figure it out in the next four minutes and get him back. we'd love to talk to him. it was significant he's going to the white house in the first place, because no democrat has met with president trump since that walkout that everyone talked about a week

right now, white house officials are frustrated. they don't feel they have gotten a counter offer from democrats, even though they have been negotiating for the last several weeks. right now where things are not a stalemate, but it seems to be worse than that. >> we saw a temper tantrum because he couldn't get his way. >> reporter: talks between the white house and democrats crumbling tonight. >> our meeting did not last long. >> reporter: after president trump stormed out of his meeting with congressional leaders when it became clear democrats wouldn't budge on funding his border wall. >> the president just got up and walked out. he asked speaker pelosi, will you agree to my wall? she said, no. and he just got up and said, we have nothing to discuss and he just walked out. >> reporter: democrats declaring the president threw a temper tantrum as he tweeted the meeting was a total waste of time. writing, i asked what is going to happen in 30 days if i quickly open things up? are you going to approve border security which includes a w

live from the white house. press secretary sarah sanders says this is going to be live from the diplomatic reception room. she didn't want to go further, get ahead of the president. remember, the president recently has held high profile talks with reporters, making announcements in the oval office, rose garden and briefing room, talking about security at the border. really, just repeating talking points we have heard from him time and time again. it's unclear if tomorrow's announcement will be different from what we heard previously in the other announcements. >> see what he has to say. pamela, thank you very much. >>> let's talk about the breaking news with a congressman, a democrat who serves on the armed services committee. thanks for joining us. let me get your reaction to this announcement from the president, he will have a major announcement concerning the humanitarian crisis on the southern border and the shutdown. what do you anticipate? >> give me a few seconds to digest all that you have said in the l

if you're working in the white house you don't just care about the white house but congressional staff, interest groups and advocacy organizations and individuals who work for those organizations, you care about the media, you want good relationships with the media and good relationships with the bureaucracy and certain departments, in this city i would make the case that personal relationships are the realm. when somebody like sean spicer eaves the white house it is not just that they have to recruit, rehire, retrain but they lose all those personal relationships and those are things that are not easily transferable. you can teach someone to do a job, hiring somebody with experience in washington dc and politics, relatively easy to train and show them the ropes but you can't transfer all those personal relationships. for those reasons i would say it is very important to study white house staff turnover and we should care about it. i want to talk about the emergence of my data set and prior research and i will not spend a lot of time on it, so like a very dry title but the idea is a lo

as for today's session here's how the white house described it in a statement. secretary nielsen was able to provide breathing on the crisis at the southern border. the conversation looked productive and they agreed to meet again tomorrow. there was no in-depth conversation about the dollar figure that the priorities for security. tomorrow another working session in the white house as the president does you no heads up to camp david for strategy and planning sessions with the senior cadre. we will be there on the hunt for pictures and a full readout. as we get them i promise to pass them along. jon: kevin corke thank you. only days into the new congress and some democrat freshman house members are already making headlines. michigan congresswoman rashid to leap using profanity as she calls for impeachment of president trump while alexandria ocasio-cortez is proposing passing top income earners as much as 70% on their proposed program to combat climate change. garrett tenney has more on that. >> at perth is -- just a few hours after being sworn in detroit congress

if you're working in the white house don't just care about the white house. you care about staff and groups and about the media. and in this city, i would make the case that personal relationships are the foot of the point of the realm. so is not just they have to re retrain, they lose personal relationships that are not easily transferrable. you can in the transfer those personal relationships. and so for those reasons i would say that it's very important to study white house staff turn over and we should care about it. i want to talk about emergence of the data set and prior research. and i won't spend a long time on this. it sounds lick a dry title. idea is that a lot of people ask me how do you get this sample? how do you have a list of white house staff you can compare trump to? back to reagan? and i point out number one, there is not a lot of transparency when it comes to white house staffing. it's difficult to determine number of white house staff. and that is because presidents have had a tradition of hiring people from agencies and president presiden

will the white house be able to continue on that? >> the u.s. has never gone through a shutdown this long. the u.s. has never gone through a shutdown that went weeks and went months and/or went all the way -- or went so long. so the question is what happens when it gets to that point where people are really effected. right now they are trying to say it's just federal workers. maybe they didn't need to be here. when you have questions about food stamps why are people going to continue to show up to work when they aren't getting paid? how long can this continue? i think what the president was pointing out in his tweets earlier today is some polling has shown a majority of people do think there is a humanitarian crisis at the border. they are looking at that. so they think they are winning on that. there has been growing support for the wall. they think they see movement in that. i think they with looking at that and kind of seeing signs like maybe this is sinking in and maybe some people will be moving to our side. it may be what they are hoping f

i was all by myself in the white house. that's a big, big house, september for texcept for the guys on the lawn with machine guns. secret service and military. these are great people. they don't play games. i felt very safe. there's a lot of them. i was hoping somebody would come back and negotiate. they didn't do that. >> are you willing to keep the government shutdown until the supreme court rules on daca? >> no. if they would say the president should not have done that, we will settle this whole thing including really a big immigration policy, not just border security which is very important. we would do something with daca. a lot of republicans, most republicans are fine with some deal on daca. daca is okay. in many cases they don't speak the language of the country from which their parents came. >> from i.c.e. and from border patrol. al from some local law enforcement. how bad it is, how dangerous it is and why we need a wall. they know that. when they say the wall is immoral then you have to do something about the vat

the white house is blaming democrats and democrats are blaming the white house, and they're essentially going to put these talks off until friday after the house speaker raise, which the white house is trying to tie to this thing, essentially that nancy pelosi is making these arguments because she wants to win the race to be house speaker, though that is an idea nancy pelosi has rebuffed. what we do know for certain is neither side is budging and neither side is closer to reopening the government. washington in a stalemate tonight with no end to the government shutdown in sight. >> the united states needs a physical barrier. >> reporter: after president trump rejected an offer his own vice president and chief of staff floated to democrats just last week, a deal that would include $2.5 billion for border security, about half of what he is asking for. >> no, not 2.5. no, we are asking for 5.6 and, you know, somebody said 2.5. no. look, this is national security we're talking about. >> reporter: that's a proposal democrats later turned down, but the president's comments at his cabinet meet

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joel, the white house has suggested -- here's the reason trump guards his conversations. he does so because of all the leaks from the oval office and the meeting where he met with senior russian officials. trump talked about a class if ied terror plot and called james comey a nut job. those leaks are what made him more guarded with information. is that a fair defense for the president? >> absolutely not. the last time i heard reasoning like this was in grade school when i had a bad grade and my teacher sent a note home, and i threw it away so i wouldn't get in trouble. he's hiding things that could be incriminating because he doesn't like what the truth sounds like. the truth sounds like he's allowed himself to be compromised into an asset for the russian government. and the president, when he's in trouble, he likes to hit his core issues. the wall, immigration, generally speaking things to whip up his base. it's clear to me that the president knows there's a lot of things like this in the closet and he'd rather spend his time manufacturing the crisis at the border and ta

i'm sure with the white house. the best solution is for the parties to get together and find common ground. they can do that. i think just as much fault goes on the members of congress who are democratically leaders in the house. they should be working toward a solution, not saying that nothing is on the table. everything should be on the table. the president should put everything on the table. let's come to a deal and there are far too many people in the meetings that have been taking place right now. get a few people in power to come up with a deal. i like lock yourself in a room and nobody goes in or out you get a bathroom break but you dent get to take a shower until you get a deal done. >> we'll put you in front of that deal, sir. you've done it before. thank you so much, andrew card, elizabeth goitein, great segm t segment. appreciate it. >>> how far democrats might go in investigating the president and what that will mean for the russian investigation? hlight of fatherhood. but i'd rather be here with my lit

president trump lives in the white house. he could certainly give a speech from the white house. we have seen him give an oval office speech about the border. it wasn't great. it's hard to give a speech from the oval office. he could do it from the east room. that's the place he did his press conference the day after the 2018 election. those are two options which would keep him in washington but not on the house floor. >> if he leaves washington, there are obviously a million options. what do you think are the best options? >> he could literally go anywhere in the united states to do it. two i think would make some level of sense. number one, the border. obviously this government shutdown fight is about donald trump saying we absolutely must have a border wall, i need $5 billion to build it, democrats saying no. he was in mcallen, texas, a week or so ago meeting with border officials, talking about the wall. not bad imagery if you're donald trump and you really want to drive this idea home. it would be quite a political venue and political speech. state of the unions often are bu

it's relatively quiet here at the white house. yesterday we had kellyanne conway trying to frame up the day. and that remarkable ping-pong match between trump and speaker pelosi. today, since the president's capitulation, it's been relatively silent on the issue of the state of the union. let me just read how the president gave in to nancy pelosi last night. he said, i will do the address when the shutdown is over. i'm not looking for an alternate venue for the state of the union address and then says because there is no venue to compete with the history, tradition and importance of the house chamber. so, you know, when you look at the president's schedule today, as you well know, it's wide open. there's opportunities for him to maybe add something, but there isn't a really clear way for him to get his message out today other than by tweeting and so far, most of his tweets have been off the state of the union. hallie? >> i want to thank hans nichols, mar a mariana atencio. >> i want to bring in aaron blake, senior political report

here to weigh in former white house communications director, author, anthony security. good to see you my friend. >> great to be here and happy birthday to you. >> back at you, my friend. we will make ways right here. so many concerns about the us economy that started particularly in early november about what the federal reserve was doing and weakening. what does this job report say? >> we been saying consistently it strong in the underpinnings of the economy are strong and very good fundamentals and the other limit rate picking up because more labor participation. one of the issues during the obama years very low labor participation. people are engaged and making more money so it's a very positive thing. one of the reasons but those are had to move and live again is that you got to make sure retaining inflation. you're in a period of time with the federal government borrows this money and they have to protect the united states from a dollar crisis. raising rates because of the strength of the economy also helps the treasury go into capital markets and much easier way.

the house democrat leaders are at the white house now with the president. talking about a way to end the government shutdown. the big hurdle remainsing to be the wall. speaker -- remaining to be the wall. speaker pelosi said the democrats will not build a wall. we're waiting for comments from members of that dell case when this meeting at the white house comes to a close. and we'll bring it to you live here on c-span.

people coming out with books saying it's a chaotic white house, it's an unethical white house, that's not going to hurt him, because we've allured to t. but the government has just been shut down for the longest period in history, he got nothing out of it. nancy pelosi got the best of him. he's giving the state of the union a week late. the people who admired him and thought he was a great president, they'd made peace with the unethical stuff and made peace with the chaos. they thought at least he would deliver on a few promises. that's what hasn't happened. that's why you have the incredible number of one in three republicans saying they would like someone else to be the republican nominee. >> but, what we're seeing with all of these things, a detachment from reality or whatever. is he pulling us into it? sometimes i feel like there's a force field and he's pulling us into it. and it's like, wait a minute! >> but one in three republican voters are not being pulled into it. that's amazing and really good news. that suggests that maybe the spell you're describing is broken. >> what do

visit ncicap.org >> no news from the white house on the status of talks with democrat leaders to end the government shutdown. this is happening this afternoon and planning to hear from members when they leave the white house. our cameras are set up outside. we'll bring you the president's comments from the rose deparden after that meeting concludes which could happen at any time. house republicans held a briefing this morning to discuss their agenda in the new congress. here's what they had to say. mr. mccarthy: i'm very concerned also from the standpoint, speaker pelosi, steny hoyer going to say anything about their freshmen, especially congresswoman talib, on her comments yesterday inside her move on meeting? i know she wanted to double down about this, but is this the behavior we'll find with this new majority party here in congress? are they going to govern the way they said they wanted to govern? they are going directly after the president. they have already put impeachment proceedings in. we want to solve our problem about the shutdown. we want to have border security. we're go

house will claim executive privilege, that's what they did with pretty much all of the white house witnesses that we called in. so we're in a world of litigation and contempt proceedings and working on what exactly executive privilege comprises. and it will be a while. >> the president could just clear it up and release those notes say exactly what happened. but do you think there is a legal standing at all to try to get those notes? >> it is an interesting legal question. if there is a subpoena served and very likely trump's team will assert executive privilege, now we're into unknown legal territory. here is my read on it. on the one hand executive privilege is designed to protect communications between the president and his own top advisers. his lawyer. his attorney general, his cabinet members, his chief of staff. and to argue that now we should extend that to foreign heads of state? that is a serious extension of executive privilege and i think that it seems unlikely. on the other hand, this is sort of conversely, the richard nixon decision from 1974 is really the leading decision we ha

how would this sort of thing work in a normal white house? joining us now is chris lu who was white house cabinet secretary in the obama administration. thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> if the deputy white house chief of staff faced credible allegations of corruption and self-dealing, who is supposed to look into that in a normal white house? >> well, in a normal white house that person would have been out on the street so quickly. literally every single day of this white house i thought to myself if i did something like this i would have gotten fired. i mean this stinks on so many levels. you have somebody who's staying on government payroll without working, which is offensive even if we weren't in the middle of a government shutdown. you have somebody who abuses their authority to try to get a legislative fix to help only themselves. you have a 36, 37-year-old who wants to claim early retirement after 15 years. this is the definition of a swamp. and in a normal white house you'd have a chief of staff and president who would set hig

i don't think there is any sort sort of plan emerging from the white house. >> chaos at the white house over this? >> yes, so he was upset that i said there was chaos in the administration. there is indeed chaos in the white house. there is no plan for how to end this shutdown that we know according to our reporting. the president pushed back on twitter on saturday with look, there is no chaos, i am here all along in the white house so you can read that as you wish. >> he said that he has not left the white house in a long time even though he just went down to the border a couple of days ago? >> i was with him on that trip, yeah. three days ago. >> maybe he has not gone on a vacation. >> he meant that he has not gone to mar-a-lago, his resort in florida. i don't believe he's been there since thanksgiving so it has been a long time for him. >> yes, considering his past with going down to mar-a-lago and how many times he usually goes down in the winter. phil rucker and garret hayes. >> we got somebody who sat down with them, coming up next. what are they asking? if you have psoriasis, lit