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All right I hereby call this meeting and
that made because Community Council to

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order for December ninth two thousand and
fifteen will the council members please

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introduce themselves Dan
Haggerty MORRIS It's

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a catch Dave Altman is down to thirty times
and Aaron Dines or is in transit and

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will join us as soon as you can All right
our first item on the agenda is normally

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the supervisors report but neither of the
supervisors aides could be here this

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evening are there any other government
representatives who wish to give

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a report. Or

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a scene and we'll move on to public comment
we have one speaker slip for public

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comment from Steve McGrath. Thank you
and I could possibly have gone in

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the last item but I have no report to give
I'd like to take this opportunity though

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to introduce myself my name is Steve McGrath
and I'm the new general manager for

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the San Mateo County however district.
Today is my thirty day anniversary of been

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here

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a month and I'm still drinking
from the proverbial far out. I

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do want to stay in regular contact with
the the Coast Council to recognize the

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value of these councils as promised to the
Board of Supervisors and the means by

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the means by which I can to communicate
to the council and to the general public.

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I understand that your meetings are
regularly however on the second and fourth

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Whedon's days. The Harbor commission
meetings are on the second of four weddings

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days so. No we're on the first
and third thank you very much.

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So it's going to be able to be here on

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a fairly regular basis just to come
in and if it is the request of the.

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Council that I prepare and deliver

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a. Report I'll be happy
to do that and just be

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a brief update on things that
are going on. But that's it I'm

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happy to answer any questions for you may
have again I've been here thirty days

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because I don't even know what it is I don't
know yet. And yes we would I speaking

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for the rest the council we would greatly
appreciate it if you could deliver

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a brief report. It would be of interest
to much of the community I'm sure. They

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say I think you had one specific
thing yeah I mean I know. It's

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a hard. Thank you so much for.

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Things that make it and we've got one
letter into your office that. We'll talk to

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you about at some point but not tonight OK
All right thank you again thank you very

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much. All right so we
will play. The public

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comment and move on to the consent agenda
we have one item on the consent agenda

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the minutest approval of the minutes
for November eighteenth we hear

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a motion Yes and they can make

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a motion you every second right all
favor. It carries unanimously six

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zero thank you we move on to the regular
agenda in the first item on the agenda is

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the council annual you're
going to zation do I have

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a nomination for the new
chair. And second second.

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Right on favorite. Series and with one
abstention are you going to vote for

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yourself. All right have I to keep
myself in the all right and do we have

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a nomination for vice chair Yes I would
like to nominate the second to. The

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second second right all in favor. Of

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Kerry's unanimously six zero
and next officer is treasure

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I do I hear nomination for treasure I think
you know me. Well we have another one

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I'm going to turn that one down for thank
you you're welcome. I trust you yes.

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You will nominate. There
are. No right to here

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a second. Yet she is willing yes I talk
to her today I'll second that all right

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and all in favor I'm curious you know I'm

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a slave all right secure and
finally. A new secretary.

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We have

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a second ticket all right we
have nothing at all in favor. Or

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a curious six zero thank you very much for
you then with that I will now turn the

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meeting over to our new chair Chris
Johnson writes The new era of in yet.

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Just real quick since we don't have

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a P O they board of supervisors report I
just want to say thank you to the last

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three chairs that's the only experience
I have so I'm not making comment on any

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chairs that came before that but more than
Lisa than they. I really feel that the

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bar's been set exceptionally
high and that's

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a wonderful challenge that I will readily
accept and my hope is that I can continue

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to do the great work that those three have
done and presenting these meetings in

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such

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a way that they're beneficial to the community
so saying that let's move on to our

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regular agenda and the second item on the
agenda I don't see is the pre-application

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workshop for the more the valley are below
and we're going to start Dave Hall with

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County Planning Department
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a presentation on both the nature of this
pre-application maturing and also the

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process for the application process OK
thank you very much I'm Christie and thank

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you very much Dave Olson for
coordinating with us to. Have us.

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Host this. Pre-application meeting here
we often do then under separate places

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we've had. This is crowded and I appreciate
everybody's patience being here we've

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house made me feel free to fill in on the
against the windows if you if you would

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like to see

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a little bit or we can all be very clear
cut holes thank you both great just.

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You know there's also room for one or two
more people to stand behind the last row

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seats right yet really come on. Man.

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And swing from. So a lot
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a lot of these types of meetings before an
application comes in before it walks in

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the door quite officially for the process
to really begin the reality nation

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processes of way of actually
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a rather schematic. Proposal This
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a schematic proposal for

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a project that is on the heels and coming
in we do already have this project but

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one of the things that came up very
critically as we started to do our review and

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started to get to some internal comments
Midcoast was very clear on this there was

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a question asked this would
be a great project or

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a pre-application review we agreed and we're
here this evening and again thank you

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for posting it here so what this is is an
opportunity to introduce the bare bones

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of this project the applicant is here who
will speak about it after myself and he

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has one of his folks here with him as well
and it's to get early comments not only

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so that we can hear from the community on
the first blush but also so that we can

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actually were moralize the comments
in a letter which I do in about

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a week lots of planners have handled these
this one's one that I'll be taking care

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of and the. And we get that letter to
everybody who in fact has signed and I have

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there is

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a signatory list out side in the lobby I
have also placed one with the title of

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this Senate Hale County if you want to
get emailed the letter I'm going to put

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together summarizing tonight's comments
if you want to get it mailed traditional

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style with your name your address your
e-mail and we will keep track of that and so

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that's why that list is out there there are
also lots more handouts and Thanks Dave

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for putting that handouts that you had
what we got from the applicant I sent to

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Dave so that he could get that on your
website we also have this application in

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terms of what you're
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a few other documents already on
the county planning and building

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a website that will be updated as this
process begins and so before just you know

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letting the applicant. Go through the process
we have piece of property of its own

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R M C Z E It's right at Juliana and Vali
Alomar on the bluffs it's about two and

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a half acres. There are
seven parcels there this is

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a project proposal for six single family
residences as you've probably read it

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requires a coastal development
permit grading permit

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a resource management permit and what
happens after this meeting although I don't

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have any dates for you but what's going to
happen after this evening is we get the

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letter out the applicant actually has the
opportunity to hear the comments because

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they haven't done the full
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for all the houses elevations site plans
everything they will but they haven't

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completed those revisions yet and this
is that chance for them to get really

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comments as well as for us and everybody
to hear it but the next step after this is

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going to be a rather
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a lot of you are aware. Of here this isn't

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a design review district so after the
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a complete application. Not just what
you're seeing this evening this is going to

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be pulled together more internal comments
more review and eventually sent to the

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post side design review committee who
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liaison I will very likely come to that
meeting as well those six homes are

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relative to their design and the design
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time the design review committee will have

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a couple of choices they can
bring it back they can make

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a recommendation and it's only a
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a decision because the process is really
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what staff will be doing will be looking
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preparing. That document. In terms
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a declaration

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a mitigated negative declaration I'm not
sure yet but our next step after design

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review would be the environmental document
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looking into you know early next spring
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with this kind of an environmental
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a thirty day review period is staff will
get this before the Planning Commission

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probably twice the first time will
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environmental document because the Planning
Commission and the public can come to

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that meeting and actually provide comments
during the sequel review period and

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perhaps. If it's just for that purpose
the Planning Commission will hear it

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a second time to actually
consider it formally and make

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a decision this project of course is
appealable to the Board of Supervisors and

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approvals are

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a little to the state Coastal Commission
of the state Coastal Commission knows

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about this project as we speak they've
gotten. The preliminary information that you

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that you've seen here this evening and
that's how this is going to play out I will

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likely stay on as the project planner for
this project going through the process so

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I'm available and my e-mail is listed and
like I said that sign up sheet outside

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will at least provide the opportunity for
us to get you copies of the letter that I

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will generate summarizing the c evening's
comments so with that. I'm going to

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turn this over to Owen Lawler is the applicant
on behalf of the owners who own the

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I often forward them along often
times letters idea if I see that

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they're C.C.

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The Coastal Commission that we have an
analyst Renee and Nanda who we typically

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forward on any emailed copies or buy get
anything in paper form just to you know

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keep them more informed than
not Absolutely. OK So that

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part of the project applicant on Lawlor
and his team are going to make the

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presentation their project right now Max
lease remind the audience that please hold

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your questions we'll have we'll have an
opportunity to ask questions after the

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presentation is made by one of the reasons
we asked the whole questions is so that

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you can get his full thought out and make

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a full presentation the other reason is
these are not amplified microphones but

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they are connected with

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a video recording that's going on
if you don't stand in front of

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a microphone you want your question
homey heard and then it'll be a kind of

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a one sided conversation where we might
hear the answer but not the question so

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please hold your questions I will
make sure that everybody gets

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a chance to ask her
questions and also to make

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a public comment about this so it was to
all or Go ahead please thank you thank you

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Chris. I'm going to keep my comments from
very brief because. We're mainly here

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to hear what you folks of have to
say we're. You know we've we've

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over the last couple of years we've taken
the time to really understand this really

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unique and exciting site and we've
gone to all a lot of work to gather

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a lot of data about the site and understand
the site it's its and the intricacies

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of this particular site and also spend

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a lot of time understanding understand the
local cost of plan the county ordinances

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and really getting it getting ourselves
from oil with the site with the goal here

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is to develop a plan that's
consistent with the L.C.P.

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And the county ordinances and we have no
intention and so that it's it's in the

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framework that's been created for
development on sites like this so

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we're. Thank you by the way for solving
the technical problems and now we've got

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the site up on the screen I'm going to
we're. You saw our presentations going to be

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fairly informal again where we're here
mainly to hear your guy your folks comments

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. The. My approach in our approach

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to whenever I do any project is to really
assemble first of all really qualified

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team of folks who really have experience
understand especially is very complicated

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and special sites and really gather

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a complete set of data about the history
of the site and what's going on both from

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a biopic point of view geologic point of
view. And all the other resources that are

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related to the site so that the couple of
the key team members are here tonight but

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not all the team members so their peers
and the Pearson design group and we're

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really fortunate to have Larry as part of
the team his his experience in designing

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some really special places is is really
has national recognition and so we're

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working hard to do and Larry has done

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a great job in his we can go through the
design. Of the of the individual homes

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certainly in the at least plumbing designs
we have here now they have up and scream

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and go through that. I
also suspect there's

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a lot of interest in the other characteristics
of the site the biology and geology

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and heading up that team is is marked
against the Verde zine and marks been

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involved in a lot of complex and highly
visible projects that and is and brings

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a really

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a wealth of experience to kind of analyzing
the site and collecting when we and

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synthesizing the data that we collect and
put together an application package in

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addressing the issues of the site so. I
mean I suppose we should I'm thinking out

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loud here if. Many of us suspect have seen
the plans on the website or looked at it

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already showed

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a lot of interest I could we could walk
through the design or for. Or will we

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could. Leave that for the question period
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say one more thing before I wrap up we've
got there's we've we've got three other

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members of the team that aren't weren't
here that Mark Fox with America's image as

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opposed to geologist who's done the analysis
of the wave erosion both historic and

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and and the project where erosion going
forward Mike Zander was under so says look

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at the biology biopic. By. Of the

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site and we've been studying the sites AND
thousand and twelve looking at what is

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really growing on the site and we have

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a really good handle on what the issues
are out there and then Rodney K.

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Help with with. Is our civil engineers
looked at the drainage issues and all of the

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related issues like to see drainage
and. And other than minimize erosion

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so. Or yes maybe I can jump
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a little bit I expect that or suspect that
many people have already looked at the

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plans but maybe like

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a five minute overview of life you know
how many how many sites are we talking

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about here how many. What's your thought
process on why there may be located in the

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specific location just kind of

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a thirty thousand foot view is I again
I suspect that there are some specific

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questions and points that people want
to discuss So if we just can't get the

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overview I think we can then get into
some or even years ago that's makes

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a lot of sense so here so
let me take a step back for

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a minute and talk about the site the
site seven lots. We we've chosen.

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To design homes on six of the
Watts. Each of the lots is

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a different shape with different dimensions
so each home is is really unique.

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Mostly unique and so we
we in the the setbacks in

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the in the R.

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And C C's own district are twenty feet
on each side so that means there's forty

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feet between the homes and the front
yard setback is fifty feet so.

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You know they're they're fairly large all
the parcels are over the smallest parcel

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is over eleven thousand square feet so
they're they're quite large persist because

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they're quite large. Particular compared
to most of the lots in this neighborhood

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and. So. The lattes the
largest lot and on the

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northern end of the parcel and. That lot
is on what is over two I believe over

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twenty two dolphins for the. La G. And B.

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Are. Approximately you know twelve
to fifteen thousand square feet

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we've we've designed. A combined
driveway to serve both the Inji off

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a valid Mar. And while I'm talking about
that and more can talk more about this all

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of the sites will use.
Pervious prove pervious paving

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materials to you know minimize the
amount of runoff and we can get into

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a lot of detail in that but then we would
in our in our in. How we minimize runoff

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and how we basically hold runoff
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And then a lot see we've chosen
at this time not to design

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a house for not to apply for

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a house on the lots in this
time. Lots F E N D front of

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Giuliana and again those houses off
forty feet between each house in

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a fifty foot front yard setback consistent
with his own district regulations these

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small bridges built to serve the drive was
over the existing drainage channel on

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Giuliana. And. And into.

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So we don't disturb the work that county
public works if they're not there the cost

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to to make

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a nice. Pervious drained
soil out there. And

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so the all the houses I think we can go
in the square footage and so forth maybe

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when we go can we move to the next.
I think we could just give you

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a little sense of of of the design palette
I think we we can I mean Larry can

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talk more about the later if you wish
into the ditch the material choices but

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basically we're choosing the chosen we
think are compatible with the site natural

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materials group and that we
think we're really. You know.

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Allow the house to feel part of the site
and leave that out of that I think the

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rest of the pictures of the rest of the
of the seats I'm sorry are are more

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architecture sheets there's probably we
can go back to the website and then we

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can look at some of the landscape.
Pictures from Mark's office if if I think

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it's this one I believe so yes.

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Oh. So this is just quickly
this is the existing

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conditions and we've looked at you
know the. The biopic issues it's

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a what we as

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a highly impacted coastal. Graph here
Perri grassland and we've detailed.

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The different by the different vegetation
types and. For the most part we've

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stayed out of the most sensitive
parts of the site. I'm going to.

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I think at this point I mean we can go to
go through the next slide and we've done

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it there's

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a lot of work we've analyzed each tree
we've looked at how to maintain that the

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trees and Mark can talk

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a lot about the choices we've made around
the health of the trees and how we're

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trying to save the best species and but
but mainly we're look forward to how we.

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Come up with

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a strategy that that. Not only maintains
existing trees but looks to more of

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a tree management strategy that looks
forward and how do you keep these trees

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healthy going forward trees on the site
right now are very unhealthy and they're

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not native and they're there there's

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a lot of. And then our our our bridges works
with Marcus has put together extensive

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report on the details of that I'm

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a little I can continue to go through the
rest of this is that something that is

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people want to go to questions I guess
my question. I think I would I think if

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you're comfortable let's go to questions
because I've I believe that people are

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going to have specific questions and yet
people are going to want to make specific

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comments and I think as

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a result of the specific questions we can
get to those details that's what I'm

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trying to trying to guess what what the
details are the people are looking for so

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before we go to the public I'd like to ask
the council does anybody on the council

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have any clarifying questions that they
would like to ask. Oh in my area Mark I

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have several but I don't officially
elected people you know if you've got

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a question to clarify or

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a specific meaning you would like to know
more information companies. You know they

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are fine. Yes Yes Right now we're going
to start with questions first questions

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from the counsel clarifying questions you
said this but I read and hear this could

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you clarify that for me we will
also have an opportunity to make

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a comment I feel this way about it I don't
think this is right I think this is

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great so two separate things right now
we want to get specific questions to get

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more information out there for oh I did

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a couple questions on the issue physical
report which is you know very thorough.

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One is that if we have the other. Side is
just up there going to go. I guess I can

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tell you right here on this one. The other
stuff just in your head is money yeah

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yeah they saw the on even

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a version there that that's so.
Actually there has better voting at

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a much higher rate than anyplace else and
it looks to me is the effect continues to

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erode faster than everything else you're
really going to lose at least one of us

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lots and definitely to lose the coastal
trail. So I'm wondering about about whether

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how viable

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a lot be in the I think they are actually
are going to be in long term and the

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other question I had I'm just giving both
to right now sure about that report is

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you said you would. Take into consideration
earthquake activity and there is an

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earthquake fault about you know within
sight of the property and some wondering.

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You know what type of quake you were
allowing for. Well the first one we're

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going to design for them the largest likely
earthquake that could occur on the site

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that it's the but let me let me take the
your first question so that that that

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Rivlin that that erosion that you pointed
out. I talked to Mark Fox actually today

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about this I checked in with so that's
mainly caused by runoff from the sea of up

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above not from sea sea action so one
of the and that's what's the impact of

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the Strand trail there one
of the the. Important

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aspects of our project is to.
Redirect that drainage over to in

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a way that minimizes the loss
of the bluff from erosion of.

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And so. That's And so our
the design guidelines

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actually that Mark put together
Mark Fox in our our use. The most.

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Conservative estimates
of erosion and there was

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a question that came up regarding the
different characteristics of the northern and

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southern parts of the site and I talked
about that so the what the report

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characterizes is the most conservative
erosion rates based on the essentially the

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worst condition. Well

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let's let other people. Other members of
the council questions clarifying questions

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. Making here yesterday when so I said
this off to Dave Hall and I think he

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asked around you the original comment was
that the existing trail would not be

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active by this development but it looks
to me as though the existing real or fake

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crosses on to the property lines places
I couldn't tell that for sure because I

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don't deserve you know
that's the case yeah there's

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a survey in the package and the the the the
trail at this point comes very close to

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the property line on a lot C.

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But it does not I mean maybe in slightly
comes on the property and we're aware that

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that there's

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a concern about keeping that trail access
and our goal will be that that trail

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maintained access be maintained for public
as long as possible and then and you

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know and we think of the
many many years. Well I'll

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let the question do you don't know a
lot of just like ones that will get

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a chance in the public Lisa to get
national question. And so far

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since. We've got up with Mark and talk more
about the landscape and Larry we can be

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we've got

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a low fence. That we're thinking that would
be similar to the condition that you

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see when you walk farther up the Strand
the other homes that were built at the

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farther end there's

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a low wall in some of the civically just
on the western side right and if you see.

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What we're what we're considering putting
a fifth of a low fence you have not

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a bit like a low

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a low fence. Well how high is the fence.

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You know you can just be got. I don't buy
for now what we're going we're very.

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Worried. For orders really OK and for
the video great steak style Fance

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not necessarily great day forty two
inches. Basically so people could watch.

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Other questions from the council. You
know OK OK now I'm going to open up to

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questions from the public again this is
not your comment I feel this way this is

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you you're requesting specifically an
additional piece of information or

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clarification we'll have

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a chance for additional public comment but
we're trying to flesh out questions that

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people have if you have

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a question please step up to the. Left
turn and give us your name and your town

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they are from a man forester in
from Los beach don't go away I have

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a question for you never. Once echoing if
you'd like to sit here this microphone is

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is live so you will be recorded
on that and you can have kind of

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a back and forth. You

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just mentioned that you had planned to
have tracked trail access for people for

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some period of time I would like to know
what period of time you planned for work

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when you considered trail access for what
period of time did you did you consider

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that so. You're referring to
the strand trail in front of

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a hopper to correct. Indefinitely I mean
I don't I mean in that no other word our

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project doesn't change the dynamics. Of
whether people have access along the trail

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we want that real good continued to be
maintained its public property it will

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always be public property we think that
if we if we solve that or that slow

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corrosion problem that the run up coming
from above the trail will will last longer

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and whether we build anything or not that
trio is have is subject to roses in that

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area I think that's what people are concerned
about if I'm not mistaken to correct

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that somehow this project will limit access
to that trail and I want to that's not

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not I'm kind of missing something
here because I've walked that trail

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a lot. If I'm going along one of the parcels
that's the closest to the trail and I

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have

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a fence here OK and then I'm going along the
trail and there are spots where it literally

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is

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a foot from the edge of the bluff and it
continues to erode How am I going to continue

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to have

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a place to walk I don't swim well. So I'm
confused No I understand so well that

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it's there. There's
enough ways to solve that

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problem we have enough land there we can
we can come do we can we can solve I'm not

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concerned that this project in any way well
I think there's an opportunity improve

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the access actually OK have one how the
question then which is did your project

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plan in any way include coastal armory
No never well enough not thank you.

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Yes sir but here. Again anybody in the back
room if you want to come down there is

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room to stand against the wall so why did
you come in if you like. To thank you in

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case you shelter him from more speech.
One of the things that. Kind of stands

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out looking at this plan.
Is that every house has

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a two car garage and at least for one
in four to six. Four to six parking

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spots total designated on the in the plans
already that's an awful lot of parking.

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And that means an awful lot of the lot
coverage is going to be granted permeable

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but it's it's going to be. Driving
it's. At it's go look like

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assholes or something very similar to
so why have you put in so much parking

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for residential houses. Good question
I'm going to answer generally but I'm

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going to turn up where one of the issues
with having these long setbacks is we have

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long driveways to get to the house it's not
our intent we don't want to provide an

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pave any more of the site than we need to
to get cars to the garage and turn around

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so but we're again our
intent is to minimize. Paved

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period areas much as we possibly
can. That. Each of these houses has

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a. Some of them have

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a look at the what's called motor core and
you know you don't live half there's two

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cars in the garage in the room for four
more cars maybe five if you're if you're

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careful. Lot D.

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Their deaths definitely for two cars
plus more up on. The End by the garage.

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Lot eight years that you characterize the
least in room for at least three there

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plus cars so that's an awful lot of off
street that's an awful lot of parking.

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While Why have you provided that much
parking some of them let me turn to their.

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Personality I think you know that there
are many times Larry person up on the

430
00:36:11,71 --> 00:36:18,61
architect on this and I have laid
out her being here. In the garage

431
00:36:18,62 --> 00:36:24,79
circulation halfway. As well and said
these are all wrong most of these have

432
00:36:24,80 --> 00:36:29,88
a fifty foot setback the houses that are
around in this neighborhood are more

433
00:36:29,89 --> 00:36:30,57
comparable they have

434
00:36:30,58 --> 00:36:35,89
a twenty foot setback to the garage I'm
committed to not having the garages face

435
00:36:35,90 --> 00:36:41,23
the street and one of my design criteria
laying this these these homes that we're

436
00:36:41,24 --> 00:36:46,49
trying to eliminate what we use in the
number of branches facing the street I think

437
00:36:46,49 --> 00:36:49,17
. Kind of architecture way from

438
00:36:49,18 --> 00:36:55,39
a community perspective right I think that's.
Less than desirable goal if you could

439
00:36:55,40 --> 00:37:02,38
avoid it. So the circulation. For
the vehicle for parking kind

440
00:37:02,39 --> 00:37:02,81
of in

441
00:37:02,89 --> 00:37:09,49
a corporate set up that thinking I'm I have
this in these designs as schematic leader

442
00:37:09,65 --> 00:37:15,40
right now I've provided two cars of
parking for each of these that are not

443
00:37:15,44 --> 00:37:19,58
associated with the growth drivers of the
garage that I've covered parking on aisle

444
00:37:19,70 --> 00:37:26,69
two guest spots I try to
identify each of the sites there

445
00:37:26,70 --> 00:37:27,88
is a turnaround or

446
00:37:27,89 --> 00:37:34,64
a back up areas. That that addition there
are fired off of that rock obviously perk

447
00:37:34,68 --> 00:37:38,97
any guest behind the garage you would be
able to back up out of the garage of your

448
00:37:38,98 --> 00:37:45,73
gas first that was my goal too to separate
the gas parking and not find that go

449
00:37:45,74 --> 00:37:52,60
wrong with gas or Also these locks
are. Only saying earlier are

450
00:37:52,95 --> 00:37:57,73
are typically before times larger than
some of the residential sites that are

451
00:37:57,74 --> 00:37:59,77
adjacent to this so it affords as

452
00:37:59,78 --> 00:38:04,02
a little more flexibility in how we arrange
to drive how we provide for guests for

453
00:38:04,02 --> 00:38:10,87
. The Endeavor earlier. Other
services. Will be also will be asked

454
00:38:11,85 --> 00:38:18,35
so you won't be. Providing percolation
to the grounds which perk was

455
00:38:18,75 --> 00:38:24,69
built. Permeable surfaces. I
would point out the lots.

456
00:38:25,82 --> 00:38:30,97
And I hear I hear what you're saying and
I understand the the the the potential

457
00:38:30,98 --> 00:38:36,00
static to which I would be I would question
the fact in the life blood clots D.N.A.

458
00:38:36,10 --> 00:38:40,98
We have parking lots that are that
are the faces the street so the any

459
00:38:40,99 --> 00:38:46,31
a static you're going to gain by not having
the garage faces street near you making

460
00:38:46,32 --> 00:38:48,46
a good parking lot player
I assume that that's

461
00:38:48,47 --> 00:38:52,50
a matter of taste I think I have my
question answered Thank you thank you Casey

462
00:38:52,51 --> 00:38:54,31
thank you Mary so.

463
00:39:00,23 --> 00:39:06,72
Yeah my name is Mike Shell about
twenty way. I found the answer to the

464
00:39:06,73 --> 00:39:12,74
fences not quite sufficient and I've been
out there for eighteen years and I've

465
00:39:12,75 --> 00:39:18,48
seen all the works of the rose when I was
as it was the size of the water topside.

466
00:39:19,54 --> 00:39:26,16
And if you are indeed why they put fences
on the property like. I was and you say

467
00:39:26,20 --> 00:39:33,05
and you say as long as possible we're
going to meet him but I see no

468
00:39:33,06 --> 00:39:38,45
way that if you don't put fences on the
property that you're going to maintain that

469
00:39:38,71 --> 00:39:44,76
that trail for any length of time particularly
this year with you know coming I've

470
00:39:44,77 --> 00:39:50,93
seen every single bit of the ocean on
that bluff to come in the water topside

471
00:39:51,57 --> 00:39:57,43
every one of those houses he is going to
decrease the amount of permeable soil

472
00:39:58,43 --> 00:40:03,87
we've seen it before where all the drilling
has been done for the wells with all

473
00:40:03,88 --> 00:40:10,76
the trucks all the tractors out there. They
have compacted the soil and that is you

474
00:40:10,98 --> 00:40:12,52
create a quicker

475
00:40:12,53 --> 00:40:19,34
a row she. Hears it would normally take
place you know when you say well we'll try

476
00:40:19,35 --> 00:40:24,66
to deal with the trails as long as possible
I don't know what that means that could

477
00:40:24,67 --> 00:40:29,74
be two days to beaks to be ten years I
don't know what that means and I really

478
00:40:29,75 --> 00:40:35,89
think that from my experience of living out
there seeing the erosion I don't think

479
00:40:35,90 --> 00:40:36,15
you have

480
00:40:36,16 --> 00:40:41,67
a chance in hell of having those fences
up there on the property line and keeping

481
00:40:41,72 --> 00:40:48,66
those trails in place. On the beach let me
speak to the fences nothing in this plan

482
00:40:48,67 --> 00:40:52,16
is set in stone and we're here
really here and you you folks have

483
00:40:52,17 --> 00:40:58,43
a lot of experience living out there. You
know and we're we don't I didn't mean to

484
00:40:58,44 --> 00:41:03,29
imply anything that didn't he thinks that
instead of that where these fences look

485
00:41:03,30 --> 00:41:07,88
at or how they're designed we are we're
trying to say is we recognize there's an

486
00:41:07,89 --> 00:41:13,93
erosion issue there and we want to find the
most effective sense of way to address

487
00:41:13,94 --> 00:41:19,29
it as part of this project that's why only.
We understand that that's. What we're

488
00:41:19,30 --> 00:41:25,06
trying to achieve and I'm not I didn't mean
to imply. I'm just said that we want to

489
00:41:25,07 --> 00:41:29,06
understand this issue go away and we want
to address that's what our that's what he

490
00:41:29,07 --> 00:41:33,57
said it was on the proper lights I have
since I just saw the other will take that

491
00:41:33,58 --> 00:41:36,62
comment and we're going to I
want to get with all of us

492
00:41:36,63 --> 00:41:40,66
a part of this is to gather information
for us in the learn so we can come back.

493
00:41:41,73 --> 00:41:48,66
And address these things so I gather what
I have was in regards to why see there's

494
00:41:48,66 --> 00:41:53,55
. No. There's no plans at this point.

495
00:41:55,37 --> 00:42:01,86
What does that mean for the future what
that means at this time we think that makes

496
00:42:01,87 --> 00:42:07,75
the most sense for five or six and I
understand it raises questions and I'm still

497
00:42:07,76 --> 00:42:13,67
not to say that. We believe in this process
will support that answer will be sorted

498
00:42:13,68 --> 00:42:14,17
out in

499
00:42:14,18 --> 00:42:18,98
a way to everybody says and I don't have
an answer exactly to the question I don't

500
00:42:18,99 --> 00:42:21,17
understand the question but we've made

501
00:42:21,18 --> 00:42:27,70
a decision of this point that we're going
to submit applications for six. So

502
00:42:27,99 --> 00:42:34,05
there's really no telling what building
on those lots of fuel represent all of

503
00:42:34,06 --> 00:42:39,34
property owners Oh. Well I do have
lots we do represent all of also other

504
00:42:39,35 --> 00:42:44,34
properties so if I were a property owner
out there so I would want to have

505
00:42:44,51 --> 00:42:49,43
a house although not let me let me let
me explain this process why I can quite

506
00:42:49,44 --> 00:42:54,73
understand so that I understand the question
and let me try to address it. This is

507
00:42:54,74 --> 00:43:01,64
one project and so. It's our
decision how many homes replied

508
00:43:01,65 --> 00:43:03,27
for and it's not

509
00:43:04,18 --> 00:43:09,23
a concern of the underlying problems of
this time whether we choose to build

510
00:43:09,24 --> 00:43:14,66
a home or not there will. Be or. I
only approached this project with the

511
00:43:14,67 --> 00:43:20,74
opportunity to room to make design decisions
for the entire site I'm not making any

512
00:43:20,75 --> 00:43:26,11
of these decisions on individual properties
it's it's oh we're reviewing this is

513
00:43:26,20 --> 00:43:32,62
one project and that's that's we do this
is inappropriate for six months or based

514
00:43:32,63 --> 00:43:38,17
on your answer I would say that some point
in time the cycle would be placed I

515
00:43:38,18 --> 00:43:40,75
would make great sums. Well as

516
00:43:40,76 --> 00:43:47,71
a. I can't remember what I'm saying
because I. Can't answer that tonight the

517
00:43:47,72 --> 00:43:52,09
way you'd like to answer but I understand
the concern OK thank you very much and

518
00:43:52,28 --> 00:43:58,67
thank you Mike. This right I was standing
right now hello I'm Barbara Casi I live

519
00:43:58,68 --> 00:44:05,24
in Moscow beach I've enjoyed walking the
trail for many years. I've recently our

520
00:44:05,25 --> 00:44:07,43
property in my speech which just received

521
00:44:07,52 --> 00:44:13,49
a water pollution prevention water Gardner
sponsored by the county of San Mateo and

522
00:44:13,50 --> 00:44:20,35
the State Water prevention. Water
Board. And one of the benefits of the

523
00:44:20,36 --> 00:44:25,05
water garden is that the water is
captured from the roof and it goes into

524
00:44:25,06 --> 00:44:31,56
a catchment system and it never sheets
off the surface and it never runs down

525
00:44:31,57 --> 00:44:35,93
doesn't capture the pollution doesn't capture
an erosion so I was surprised to see

526
00:44:35,94 --> 00:44:42,29
these six homes that will be most time the
multimillion dollar homes no doubt with

527
00:44:42,99 --> 00:44:48,72
every kind of environmental. Not every
kind but you know many environmental

528
00:44:48,73 --> 00:44:53,02
features of landscaping and so on but no
water catchment system so have you could

529
00:44:53,28 --> 00:44:57,21
consider using water gardens and water
catchment systems and then putting native

530
00:44:57,22 --> 00:45:03,18
plants perhaps in your in the water. On

531
00:45:04,08 --> 00:45:04,53
Mars got

532
00:45:04,54 --> 00:45:19,26
a lot of friends of the marquis
definitely use my house. So

533
00:45:19,83 --> 00:45:24,01
in short the ME answer is yes
we do plan to incorporate.

534
00:45:27,08 --> 00:45:30,15
You know when you look at storm or management
these days throughout the state it's

535
00:45:30,16 --> 00:45:35,22
a very complex issue. And
we really changed policy as

536
00:45:35,23 --> 00:45:40,92
a state on how we managed on water and so
the in time for this project is to find

537
00:45:40,93 --> 00:45:44,68
as many ways as possible that we can
infiltrate the water back into the ground and

538
00:45:44,69 --> 00:45:51,28
to provoke prevent surface road. And the
carrying material our civil engineer on

539
00:45:51,29 --> 00:45:55,47
the team is is working on the
calculations that but then if I had

540
00:45:55,48 --> 00:46:01,68
a model run off and then one
turn we have identified. Only

541
00:46:01,69 --> 00:46:04,79
quantifiably in the summer
programs an area that is

542
00:46:04,84 --> 00:46:10,46
a infiltration area that equates to the
monologue that comes off the roof but the

543
00:46:10,47 --> 00:46:15,61
intent in the in the long term as these
plans mature and we get employed is to

544
00:46:15,62 --> 00:46:19,84
identify those areas and
create the best suitable have

545
00:46:19,85 --> 00:46:25,47
a crap about site that call She's the gold
one of the that erosion. Character of so

546
00:46:25,47 --> 00:46:25,47
.

547
00:46:33,35 --> 00:46:39,64
I am Stephanie so I live in
my speech on Winky way so I'm

548
00:46:40,05 --> 00:46:46,14
curious as to whether there have been
any surveys or studies done about the

549
00:46:46,59 --> 00:46:53,27
potential impacts on the value
of the surrounding homes I

550
00:46:53,28 --> 00:46:57,93
realize that that's probably not the
responsibility of your project but I'm curious

551
00:46:57,94 --> 00:47:02,69
about it and the reason is that it's
one of the things I love about this

552
00:47:02,71 --> 00:47:07,65
neighborhood is how Next it is we have
little tiny houses that have been there for

553
00:47:07,65 --> 00:47:12,11
thirty years and then you have houses that
were built in the seventy's like ours

554
00:47:12,11 --> 00:47:17,41
and then some newer properties and even
though I moved there only nine years ago

555
00:47:17,42 --> 00:47:24,21
and I bought at the very top of the
market and I part of me wants to see. The

556
00:47:24,22 --> 00:47:30,81
economy continue to rebound and see that
my house is not upside down I also feel

557
00:47:30,82 --> 00:47:36,28
really strongly that it's important to.
Not let the cost of living in this

558
00:47:36,29 --> 00:47:39,89
neighborhood go out of control and there
are other neighborhoods on the coast that

559
00:47:39,91 --> 00:47:44,86
I actually did not want to live in because
the houses were too much the same and

560
00:47:44,87 --> 00:47:49,100
too new and too large so I'm just curious
as to whether you have had any sort of

561
00:47:50,01 --> 00:47:54,58
studies around that aspect of what this
project might do to the neighborhood.

562
00:48:02,51 --> 00:48:06,71
We haven't studied that and it's an interesting
question I would just say you know

563
00:48:06,86 --> 00:48:12,70
I share your concerns about the
spiralling cost of housing.

564
00:48:14,62 --> 00:48:19,09
We think this project. Especially.

565
00:48:21,55 --> 00:48:28,23
With we try to keep the houses pretty
modest but for what could be very very

566
00:48:28,24 --> 00:48:35,23
expensive homes. We we do
the sizes are are you know

567
00:48:36,19 --> 00:48:42,46
around three thousand alive we
think that. Given the the setback

568
00:48:43,42 --> 00:48:48,50
and the minimum The reduce the amount of
setbacks on the site in relation to the

569
00:48:48,51 --> 00:48:54,07
homes that it's going to be. It's going
to for instance be less dense than the

570
00:48:54,08 --> 00:48:59,91
homes right across Giuliana on the way down
there by the smart homes there that are

571
00:48:59,92 --> 00:49:01,87
on small block so this is going to feel

572
00:49:02,22 --> 00:49:07,82
a lot more. Open. And I.

573
00:49:09,55 --> 00:49:13,52
You know I I don't I say I you know
I'm going out with this project.

574
00:49:17,80 --> 00:49:22,36
As carious thank you
thank you sir. Letter.

575
00:49:26,24 --> 00:49:32,89
What heater who can address
this question on. What was the

576
00:49:32,94 --> 00:49:39,34
ownership pattern of all of these
lots and nineteen eighty. Was

577
00:49:39,35 --> 00:49:44,93
a single owner if. I can you know tell you
Dave can you I'm sorry and you go to my

578
00:49:44,94 --> 00:49:51,67
Sure thank you. Thank you so what
I can tell you is you know about.

579
00:49:53,27 --> 00:49:57,72
And I have the information in the file but
probably in about eighty five or eighty

580
00:49:57,73 --> 00:50:03,75
six I do charge off but these two parcels
entirely Well there were two there were

581
00:50:03,84 --> 00:50:10,56
two parcels to be undone. And one of
the ownership pattern was prior to him

582
00:50:10,57 --> 00:50:15,97
purchasing it I don't know as a lot of
people know this is this is a remnant of

583
00:50:16,21 --> 00:50:20,31
a night you know weight loss feature Heights
subdivision and there were about forty

584
00:50:20,32 --> 00:50:26,57
or forty one blocks that by the time to
charge off the body going eighty's if it

585
00:50:26,58 --> 00:50:32,28
had been made in two parcel numbers I don't
know why this person was the one that

586
00:50:32,29 --> 00:50:36,16
could have something do you want to ship
out or fire and charge off but I know

587
00:50:36,17 --> 00:50:42,67
there are not for many years and we spoke
he he owned it when the first proposal

588
00:50:42,68 --> 00:50:48,24
for the well. And then at some point we
realized that you sold it because we

589
00:50:48,25 --> 00:50:54,28
started hearing from various property holders
sometimes separately. I don't know if

590
00:50:54,29 --> 00:51:01,01
you are right and. Our lovely woman is
coming why I asked the question and it's

591
00:51:01,02 --> 00:51:05,39
critical that the county get solid
documentation on this personally after fly no

592
00:51:05,40 --> 00:51:06,32
one the R.M.C.

593
00:51:06,33 --> 00:51:11,87
Easy. Ordinance was passed which I'm
assuming was nineteen eighty but the later.

594
00:51:13,21 --> 00:51:19,70
And I'm early an R M C easy zoning section
and so those are all parcels five acres

595
00:51:19,71 --> 00:51:22,98
or larger in size which were legal in
existence of the time of the neck of the

596
00:51:22,99 --> 00:51:29,10
soreness will continue to be legal persons.
Parcel smaller than five acres in size

597
00:51:29,10 --> 00:51:34,95
. Three When the screens there were smaller
in five acres in size shall continue to

598
00:51:34,96 --> 00:51:40,96
be legal parcels only if no adjacent property
was in the same ownership at the time

599
00:51:40,97 --> 00:51:43,28
of the next moment of
this ordinance or for

600
00:51:43,29 --> 00:51:46,82
a possible on site water source of the
Gulf in the process so that the potable

601
00:51:46,83 --> 00:51:53,66
water source doesn't apply so if these
were in common ownership at the time

602
00:51:53,94 --> 00:52:00,73
the arm sees the ordinance was passed then
they can only build one house. Down has

603
00:52:00,74 --> 00:52:07,61
a position different than
that. Time I don't have.

604
00:52:09,01 --> 00:52:14,38
The interesting history of those big big
they are and I just say that historically

605
00:52:14,62 --> 00:52:18,26
because we've been talking with owners
including Mr turnoff back from that was the

606
00:52:18,27 --> 00:52:22,16
first time this project and then this
property really came to our attention was

607
00:52:22,17 --> 00:52:22,61
when he got

608
00:52:22,62 --> 00:52:28,68
a hold of it he came in and there were
questions that went to the director or to

609
00:52:28,69 --> 00:52:35,67
our county attorney relative
to. Our merging. Or

610
00:52:35,68 --> 00:52:36,15
are we doing

611
00:52:36,16 --> 00:52:42,11
a lot I just know and remember in one nine
hundred eighty up until probably about

612
00:52:42,12 --> 00:52:48,34
nine hundred ninety seven we processed what
my adjustments administratively without

613
00:52:48,38 --> 00:52:54,12
postal permits because our exemption criteria
allowed it by the time the first well

614
00:52:54,41 --> 00:52:58,57
got drilled and went all the way to the
Ford was healed the board appealed to the

615
00:52:58,97 --> 00:53:02,45
Coastal Commission they did issue
a letter I have in the File

616
00:53:02,46 --> 00:53:04,20
a couple of people here
have it they should

617
00:53:04,21 --> 00:53:10,74
a letter that. Kind of began the challenge
of last line adjustments with. Coastal

618
00:53:10,75 --> 00:53:14,78
permits and since that time we have
actually not done any last line adjustments

619
00:53:14,79 --> 00:53:17,65
without pulling the coast of the boat from

620
00:53:17,66 --> 00:53:23,94
a process with it as to what Leonard is
talking about the only reason I said we've

621
00:53:23,95 --> 00:53:28,34
historically disagreed is we were very
aware of the merger provisions in that

622
00:53:28,35 --> 00:53:32,75
paragraph and that is it in the R N C Z
zone he says the same thing in the non

623
00:53:32,76 --> 00:53:39,21
coastal zone in St And from what I've
heard and I was not privy to the

624
00:53:39,22 --> 00:53:44,09
conversations that actually got Mr Charnock
as far as us giving the green light the

625
00:53:44,10 --> 00:53:45,61
last line adjustment I handled

626
00:53:45,62 --> 00:53:50,31
a lot line adjustment but believe me I had
not been there long enough that time and

627
00:53:50,32 --> 00:53:53,27
one of the things that
came back to us that

628
00:53:53,34 --> 00:53:57,33
a couple of people actually still recollect
today and we are believe me we're not

629
00:53:57,34 --> 00:53:58,88
going to blow up that question it's

630
00:53:58,89 --> 00:54:02,14
a critical question we realize the legal
status of these parcels the number of

631
00:54:02,15 --> 00:54:05,25
parcels is going to come
up so we're prepared to do

632
00:54:05,26 --> 00:54:10,12
a little bit more study on that but. One
of the things about there is no minimum

633
00:54:10,13 --> 00:54:13,01
lot size number one in the R.M.
District or in the arm C.Z.

634
00:54:13,02 --> 00:54:17,94
District the merger provisions when we went
through the checklist and this is just

635
00:54:17,95 --> 00:54:21,45
what I've been told so far the
merger provisions we didn't have

636
00:54:21,46 --> 00:54:27,01
a set of subdivision regs don't the Birger
is we have the state mapped out deal

637
00:54:27,02 --> 00:54:32,01
with mergers on and there are criteria.
The merger provisions actually have

638
00:54:32,02 --> 00:54:36,08
a lot of criteria but they and they do talk
about common ownership cetera so I can

639
00:54:36,09 --> 00:54:42,72
see where the question is asked but they
speak to. Merging one lots where less than

640
00:54:42,73 --> 00:54:47,47
five thousand square feet so that's
something we want to. Check in and get

641
00:54:47,89 --> 00:54:54,56
a firmer handle on but that the two parcels
originally were certainly greater than

642
00:54:54,57 --> 00:55:00,00
five thousand square feet they were looking
at the parcels as identified by A.P.

643
00:55:00,01 --> 00:55:06,61
Hands. And that they did not choose at least
the direction from what I can tell you

644
00:55:06,92 --> 00:55:12,52
the director and the county attorney of
time or our county council did not choose

645
00:55:12,56 --> 00:55:19,25
or state to Mr A char
not come. You can't do

646
00:55:19,26 --> 00:55:23,20
a lot and just to get several blocks of
this property in fact we are going to

647
00:55:23,54 --> 00:55:24,02
enforce

648
00:55:24,03 --> 00:55:30,97
a merger that was not the conclusion
that the director and counsel came

649
00:55:30,98 --> 00:55:37,66
to and then like I said the veracity of
the lot line adjustment itself which was

650
00:55:37,67 --> 00:55:44,59
recorded in one nine hundred eighty.
And then that really did not come up

651
00:55:44,68 --> 00:55:50,38
as an issue of. Contention
until the first well was

652
00:55:50,39 --> 00:55:55,69
a drill but before that it was appealed
to the Coastal Commission and in around

653
00:55:55,70 --> 00:55:56,69
that time we did have

654
00:55:56,70 --> 00:56:01,84
a letter from the Coastal Commission
who did indeed speak to my justice

655
00:56:01,85 --> 00:56:05,71
representing development thus and I
think there were also some court cases

656
00:56:05,72 --> 00:56:10,81
happening up and down the.
Road. So I know that's not

657
00:56:10,82 --> 00:56:15,30
a totally satisfying question but I
just want to say historically as we've

658
00:56:16,16 --> 00:56:21,10
occasionally taken out what information
we have particularly as Mr Charnock move

659
00:56:21,30 --> 00:56:27,81
forward we've indicated. To
various owners that the parcel

660
00:56:27,82 --> 00:56:33,79
legality status of this is certainly
not concrete relative to the Coastal

661
00:56:33,80 --> 00:56:40,77
Commission making it clear to Mr Shaw go
to. The well out back in the day that they

662
00:56:40,78 --> 00:56:45,70
didn't consider home free we never heard
from them after that relative to this

663
00:56:45,71 --> 00:56:50,54
property of course nothing's happened on
this property until. Thank you to have.

664
00:56:51,55 --> 00:56:57,98
Yet to to summarize that I think that it's
not incorrect to say that the legality

665
00:56:57,99 --> 00:57:03,100
of the the parcels in question are still
in question and something that I think you

666
00:57:04,16 --> 00:57:09,15
guys need to consider going forward not
not we're not resolving I'm just saying

667
00:57:09,16 --> 00:57:10,71
that I know that that's on the mind of

668
00:57:10,72 --> 00:57:15,89
a lot of people. OK. When or
thank you for the question just

669
00:57:15,90 --> 00:57:22,75
a second we have. Well you're up. Well I

670
00:57:22,76 --> 00:57:27,95
know you've got the killer questions no I
don't actually when I got my good one on

671
00:57:27,96 --> 00:57:33,03
but it took party. I always feel like you
really don't want to hear from me you

672
00:57:33,04 --> 00:57:34,82
look everywhere else thinking this is

673
00:57:34,83 --> 00:57:39,97
a I'm still here for must be some sort of
dismissal so I want to thank the MacOS

674
00:57:39,98 --> 00:57:44,67
for. Does any of this tonight actually want
to check the county for coming out here

675
00:57:44,95 --> 00:57:47,74
so that the neighbors have a chance to do

676
00:57:47,75 --> 00:57:52,54
a comment on this. I can remember
back before we had the M.C.C.

677
00:57:52,55 --> 00:57:52,71
We do

678
00:57:52,72 --> 00:57:57,19
a lot of drive over the hill doing business
hours to get information so this is the

679
00:57:57,20 --> 00:57:58,62
way it shows the M.C.C.

680
00:57:58,63 --> 00:58:04,72
At least is working on that but. My
question is just plain simple I didn't even

681
00:58:04,73 --> 00:58:08,04
have it when I came here but during the
presentation when they were shown the

682
00:58:08,20 --> 00:58:14,96
elevation side of the proposed
House they all seem to carry

683
00:58:14,97 --> 00:58:19,99
three stories that the ground story of
course from Maine is the main level where

684
00:58:20,00 --> 00:58:25,13
there is. Actually had some better ones
and that we can probably see on that one.

685
00:58:26,89 --> 00:58:28,23
With the main level and then up

686
00:58:28,24 --> 00:58:34,79
a little and I can remember more speech
used to be pretty much single for houses

687
00:58:34,92 --> 00:58:39,63
everybody was on the same level over the
past ten to twenty years of course the

688
00:58:39,64 --> 00:58:46,46
single levels began getting what we call
the you know. Well that know it two

689
00:58:46,47 --> 00:58:48,69
stories and began just getting
bigger and bigger so you have

690
00:58:48,70 --> 00:58:49,82
a big muscle house next to

691
00:58:49,83 --> 00:58:55,35
a tiny little thing and now I'm looking
at this with it's basically three doesn't

692
00:58:55,36 --> 00:58:58,22
agree with that it's like it's only it was
the one that had the car parked in front

693
00:58:58,100 --> 00:59:02,74
my big question is are they what's the
height level on these are they going to be

694
00:59:02,75 --> 00:59:07,86
three stories the real concern here is on
the west side of my speech there's only

695
00:59:07,87 --> 00:59:12,11
a few two story ones it's mostly one story
and that's because it's on the you poor

696
00:59:12,12 --> 00:59:15,80
door and. If anybody's been out here for

697
00:59:15,81 --> 00:59:20,51
a while when you can you from my chair or
down to Half Moon Bay You used to be able

698
00:59:20,52 --> 00:59:25,92
to see the ocean for sixty to seventy
percent of the way and we'll lose it and so

699
00:59:25,93 --> 00:59:29,06
if we go from one to two to three
then I want to know when we get

700
00:59:29,07 --> 00:59:35,22
a four story house so that's my only question.
So rhetorical question but you know

701
00:59:35,23 --> 00:59:42,19
not. All over the world
you know nationwide. To

702
00:59:42,20 --> 00:59:46,55
get his orders had been and
has the architect I did spend

703
00:59:46,56 --> 00:59:52,43
a fair amount of time actually more very
much analyzing. Regulations in terms of

704
00:59:52,59 --> 00:59:57,92
why. I now says work for these sites and.

705
00:59:59,44 --> 01:00:05,33
I did so these meet all the common standards
that have been presented to me in

706
01:00:05,34 --> 01:00:11,64
terms of. Analysis of graded
room surrounded brutish

707
01:00:12,63 --> 01:00:18,15
So these these are I mean these are schematics
of this one so. So doesn't mean that

708
01:00:18,16 --> 01:00:21,15
they're perfectly scaled and yes there is

709
01:00:21,76 --> 01:00:28,66
a. Very. Low kind of maybe
because more of an attic looks

710
01:00:28,67 --> 01:00:33,64
space but there is some of those up stairs
that do have seven and eight but heights

711
01:00:33,92 --> 01:00:40,85
you know one of them I would say that. If
we chose to kind of kind of execute on

712
01:00:40,86 --> 01:00:46,04
that you know there might be. Less than
two or three hundred square feet of space

713
01:00:46,41 --> 01:00:51,43
that could be on that third
floor. Or could be more of

714
01:00:51,48 --> 01:00:57,02
a trust location with the roof structure
or storage but yes there is there is some

715
01:00:57,03 --> 01:01:02,42
space on the third floor I think
a bit more of an. Expanded X.

716
01:01:02,43 --> 01:01:08,17
Base. In these core and some of these
girls are all going to ask you clarifying

717
01:01:08,18 --> 01:01:12,19
point on that I don't know what the grading
is going to be like if these things are

718
01:01:12,20 --> 01:01:17,67
fifty feet from the road and you know that
the slope is maintained more or less the

719
01:01:17,68 --> 01:01:23,78
way it is now the height relative to the
highway is going to be not very not all

720
01:01:23,79 --> 01:01:26,64
that high if you're racing up
the grade and you're building

721
01:01:26,65 --> 01:01:30,91
a three story house it's going to be quite
high so I don't know what that comet and

722
01:01:30,96 --> 01:01:37,07
and in almost all these homes I have kind
of set the home lower in the grade or at

723
01:01:37,16 --> 01:01:42,41
the minimum to the for the grade
relationship so I. No cases that I can build

724
01:01:42,60 --> 01:01:44,97
houses kind of push them down as

725
01:01:44,98 --> 01:01:51,86
a kind of design concept. And because
of valid markup and goes how would

726
01:01:51,87 --> 01:01:58,77
one be above the sides actually it's
it's really. Minimally impactful

727
01:01:59,71 --> 01:02:05,33
from those few corners on the highway as
well as because the majority of the house

728
01:02:05,34 --> 01:02:06,83
is kind of below that back on

729
01:02:07,41 --> 01:02:14,10
a ship. Larry her bills question
the ordinance before the are in

730
01:02:14,11 --> 01:02:14,51
C.Z.

731
01:02:14,52 --> 01:02:19,07
Zoning area specifies no residential
structure South exceed twenty feet in height

732
01:02:19,35 --> 01:02:25,68
What do you propose for any of these
structures and. I'm all right I did review

733
01:02:25,85 --> 01:02:31,43
with the with the planner exactly goes and
did read the order says they can they

734
01:02:31,44 --> 01:02:37,55
comply. Or no lower than those who made
those threats frenemies up your guard

735
01:02:37,56 --> 01:02:39,60
tended to be good though
we're not asking for

736
01:02:39,61 --> 01:02:45,75
a very let me ask one different question.
Whence these are graded What is the

737
01:02:45,76 --> 01:02:52,57
highest point of grade us to. Come I'm
sorry I can't give you that you know they

738
01:02:52,58 --> 01:02:57,74
should right now but certainly in the
course of of developing working drawings of

739
01:02:57,75 --> 01:03:03,01
as we can provide. The exact answer to those
old days it looks like on your not the

740
01:03:03,02 --> 01:03:07,66
scale drawings it's like
three feet end of it with

741
01:03:07,67 --> 01:03:10,00
a regulation and there's

742
01:03:10,01 --> 01:03:14,73
a graphic which I don't think you probably
have access to right now which is the

743
01:03:14,80 --> 01:03:19,39
published standards for about weight right
I'm not as we got standards I'm just

744
01:03:19,40 --> 01:03:23,78
asking oh if you're expected to read it
maybe it is I mean I'm I'm saying that

745
01:03:23,86 --> 01:03:30,64
twenty eight feet is the centerline of
gable to average grade. And that's it

746
01:03:30,65 --> 01:03:36,27
we're all under that compliant with that
oh you're expected to be over twenty eight

747
01:03:36,31 --> 01:03:42,20
that's something I mean some of the people
be OK Yes. I think that's what people

748
01:03:42,36 --> 01:03:46,37
write Oh OK OK. We had yesterday

749
01:03:46,38 --> 01:03:53,10
a question come on up our sleeves are
OK No oh we're here now he's like

750
01:03:53,11 --> 01:03:58,38
a name in here yeah Lawrence flats on I'm
actually if you pull the maps your three

751
01:03:58,39 --> 01:04:04,19
houses on Valve are actually if you want
to hear them so that last question is

752
01:04:04,20 --> 01:04:08,27
actually kind of relevant one of the questions
I kind of have is I you know I don't

753
01:04:08,28 --> 01:04:08,36
have

754
01:04:08,37 --> 01:04:12,90
a problem building your house so I made my
house was in there fifty years ago because

755
01:04:12,91 --> 01:04:17,93
not only issues but have you considered
market your square footage to maybe build

756
01:04:18,03 --> 01:04:24,82
basements instead of growing
up I mean. Well the one of the

757
01:04:25,34 --> 01:04:31,50
dialogue that. We're only kind of working
towards solutions and this is probably

758
01:04:32,29 --> 01:04:38,12
the format in which we we started my
concerns my previous concepts which I did

759
01:04:38,13 --> 01:04:45,02
submit. Were lower because these are.
Perpetration of the setback were

760
01:04:45,17 --> 01:04:47,40
the pen foot so I got to step back in

761
01:04:47,41 --> 01:04:54,17
a twenty foot from her rear step back which
then allows my programs more selective

762
01:04:54,17 --> 01:05:00,96
. And lower terms of the house
little vacations and and we

763
01:05:00,97 --> 01:05:07,55
were informed that that our interpretation
of those that were incorrect thus fifty

764
01:05:07,56 --> 01:05:13,31
foot from your exact point but rider and
some of that program did push the house

765
01:05:13,32 --> 01:05:17,96
a little bit higher it proves they previously
were good at first conception but the

766
01:05:17,97 --> 01:05:22,77
advantage. Of those reduce step
back is that you do predate for

767
01:05:22,78 --> 01:05:26,94
a good quarter or two in the house Yeah but
I mean you're talking about outside I'm

768
01:05:26,95 --> 01:05:30,59
talking about can you actually get to get
your three thousand square feet can you

769
01:05:30,60 --> 01:05:36,94
have fifteen hundred underground Yeah right
and. I sent the great illustrations on

770
01:05:37,70 --> 01:05:41,57
the two homes on on D.

771
01:05:42,22 --> 01:05:47,22
As well he actually think
I have it twelve inches

772
01:05:47,26 --> 01:05:54,13
a little great. Terms of.
The. Well to do I have twelve

773
01:05:54,14 --> 01:06:00,63
inches and they are basically on break so
I push those down far as I am. I'm going

774
01:06:00,64 --> 01:06:06,36
to the main living space and the reg it
would not be something that. Probably.

775
01:06:08,70 --> 01:06:12,31
You know so so but yes I
guess there is there is

776
01:06:12,32 --> 01:06:19,20
a only the conversation. Plays
some. Great. Second thing is

777
01:06:19,73 --> 01:06:23,13
we've got most of but there's early
indication of what are the going to be

778
01:06:23,14 --> 01:06:29,09
additional street lights or anything like
that or the lighting. Because I came from

779
01:06:29,10 --> 01:06:34,90
the East Bay where I could barely see the
moon and I actually like see. You know

780
01:06:35,06 --> 01:06:40,78
where we have no proposed. Wife is.

781
01:06:41,96 --> 01:06:47,15
Obviously for the process I mean the street
was all getting torn up right now you

782
01:06:47,16 --> 01:06:51,07
know like for I don't know if that's because
of you guys or that's just the sewer

783
01:06:51,08 --> 01:06:56,74
or whatever it was that's going you know
no better but yeah so but if the really

784
01:06:56,75 --> 01:07:00,93
nice idea was just kind of wondering if
they're going to be more power lines and

785
01:07:00,94 --> 01:07:07,80
more street lights and everything else
to really like the work that. We can

786
01:07:07,81 --> 01:07:14,44
thank you lots of one sec AC So we're
getting pretty far along in the evening

787
01:07:14,45 --> 01:07:21,06
to make sure that we all get to bed still
on this day. What I would like to do now

788
01:07:21,07 --> 01:07:24,46
is move on to the public
comment period if you had

789
01:07:24,47 --> 01:07:28,99
a burning question that you weren't able
to ask during the question period maybe

790
01:07:29,00 --> 01:07:32,37
you can invalidate that in your
comments this is the time now to make

791
01:07:32,38 --> 01:07:37,51
a comment I feel this way I think this way
you know I want you to think about this

792
01:07:37,51 --> 01:07:44,13
. We have a lot of people here tonight
so I'm going to ask Laura to set

793
01:07:44,14 --> 01:07:48,02
a timer for three minutes now I'm not trying
to limit public comment but I want to

794
01:07:48,03 --> 01:07:50,37
make sure that everybody that
wants to make a comment gets

795
01:07:50,38 --> 01:07:54,53
a chance to make their comment also I
would like to please respect pass that

796
01:07:54,54 --> 01:07:59,20
everybody be respectful in this process
I know that this is an emotional issue

797
01:07:59,51 --> 01:07:59,81
that's

798
01:07:59,82 --> 01:08:06,10
a very. Meaningful piece of land for the
people on the come to sign myself. Included

799
01:08:06,48 --> 01:08:11,16
but let's be respectful Let's listen and
let's have this dialogue going on so that

800
01:08:11,17 --> 01:08:16,81
we can get to an end result that we can all
be pleased with all right so I'm now to

801
01:08:16,82 --> 01:08:18,23
open this for public comment I have

802
01:08:18,24 --> 01:08:21,86
a set of speakers lips of our invincibility
feeling good through these in the order

803
01:08:21,87 --> 01:08:23,94
they were presented to me
if you would like to make

804
01:08:23,95 --> 01:08:26,19
a comment and you have
not already submitted

805
01:08:26,20 --> 01:08:31,32
a speaker slip please bring one up to the
four you speak when I see you waving to

806
01:08:31,33 --> 01:08:31,84
me what's up.

807
01:08:45,15 --> 01:08:47,42
OK lettered. I will make

808
01:08:47,43 --> 01:08:51,69
a note of that. I want to hear I want to
capture these comments in the order they

809
01:08:51,70 --> 01:08:56,64
were presented to me but I've got you now
listed in the Q OK All right first up we

810
01:08:56,65 --> 01:09:00,88
have Tony correctly. It's

811
01:09:00,89 --> 01:09:06,71
a good idea. You might get
somebody in the back maybe.

812
01:09:07,93 --> 01:09:12,62
And maybe you could open that window just
as well. The speaker slips if you need

813
01:09:12,63 --> 01:09:18,16
one hour back in the in the empty chamber
back there. Please make sure you sign him

814
01:09:18,42 --> 01:09:23,37
really communicate with you through the
OK to go to thank you yes my name is Tony

815
01:09:23,38 --> 01:09:24,28
correctly and I'm

816
01:09:24,29 --> 01:09:29,06
a botanist I've lived on the coast for
over twenty five years I'm here to speak

817
01:09:29,07 --> 01:09:33,60
about the plant assemblage on
marked life on this habitat is

818
01:09:33,61 --> 01:09:38,72
a remnant coastal bluff prairie what that
once started the salmon tail closed for

819
01:09:38,73 --> 01:09:44,96
miles and acres before development and
this shows that slide the next slide

820
01:09:45,32 --> 01:09:51,93
shows the habitat of the coastal prairie
supports for rare plants one of them that

821
01:09:51,94 --> 01:09:58,47
don't don't that doesn't occur anywhere
else in the world next site. I've

822
01:09:58,62 --> 01:10:05,05
delineated the coastal prairie myself with
this map and although it is degraded it

823
01:10:05,06 --> 01:10:11,17
still is. Considered coastal prairie by
the native plants that are there and the

824
01:10:11,18 --> 01:10:18,09
next one I'm just going to show you the
plants the Harlequin Lotus next. Johnny

825
01:10:18,15 --> 01:10:24,27
have. Next the blade still better grass
which was just discovered this year

826
01:10:24,80 --> 01:10:31,36
next and the last one is the coast to
little left us I find which was first found

827
01:10:31,37 --> 01:10:35,66
here and collected in one thousand nine
hundred one by Alice G.'s to it the next

828
01:10:35,67 --> 01:10:40,66
slide show The said to her bearing specimen
that Alice's flute collected in one

829
01:10:40,67 --> 01:10:46,81
nine hundred one she said it was
collected and plenum and Glenn who is

830
01:10:46,82 --> 01:10:53,67
a previous name of must be before it
was must be and when she collected

831
01:10:53,74 --> 01:10:59,22
this type specimen the next life she said
that it covered the ground for several

832
01:10:59,23 --> 01:11:04,01
acres but we'll see any no other
place and it's probably strictly

833
01:11:04,02 --> 01:11:10,17
a local species that is perhaps the most
strikingly beautiful species great mass is

834
01:11:10,58 --> 01:11:16,99
almost monopolized the ground. Well there
are takers of this habitat left anymore

835
01:11:17,00 --> 01:11:21,05
and all of salmon tailed County
and this coastal Curry provides

836
01:11:21,06 --> 01:11:27,44
a natural buffer zone to protect this
last remaining population it is essential

837
01:11:27,45 --> 01:11:33,16
that we save and protect this coastal carry
grassland. And this last assemblage of

838
01:11:33,17 --> 01:11:39,82
these four rare plants that occur on the
Delmarva loves. Thank you Tony appreciate

839
01:11:39,83 --> 01:11:46,69
that OK Next up we have
plenty Roberts. I am

840
01:11:46,70 --> 01:11:49,66
ready Roberts I'm speaking for committee
for Green Footballs and I've already sent

841
01:11:49,67 --> 01:11:52,40
a letter and that is posted on the M.C.C.

842
01:11:52,41 --> 01:11:57,69
Website. So if anybody wants to read the
whole thing I'm not going read the whole

843
01:11:57,70 --> 01:12:03,50
thing would be good to hear but we have
been involved in this property that made

844
01:12:03,51 --> 01:12:09,47
its way through the previous proposals one
to drill an additional well and possibly

845
01:12:09,48 --> 01:12:15,04
up to eighteen test wells because there
was no water available. And that was for

846
01:12:15,05 --> 01:12:20,10
one house on more. Time and
as Tony has said this is

847
01:12:20,11 --> 01:12:26,91
a real jewel. A remnant of the
coastal prairie and it's also

848
01:12:26,92 --> 01:12:28,55
a jewel of open space and a and

849
01:12:28,56 --> 01:12:33,39
a place for people to go and appreciate the
coast on the trail that runs across the

850
01:12:33,79 --> 01:12:39,19
bluffs. And the mature cypress trees also
provide roosting and foraging habitat for

851
01:12:39,34 --> 01:12:41,42
raptors including winter Raptors which is

852
01:12:41,46 --> 01:12:47,84
a special habitat as well so we have already
outlined our concerns about parcel the

853
01:12:47,85 --> 01:12:53,67
Gallatin issue and I'm glad you got that
habitat so the Tony the habitat that Tony

854
01:12:53,68 --> 01:12:55,73
has outlined is is

855
01:12:55,74 --> 01:13:02,44
a larger more extensive mapping than
the applicants have provided but in

856
01:13:02,45 --> 01:13:09,31
fact habitat is doesn't have to be
pure it can be degraded it can be only

857
01:13:09,32 --> 01:13:14,79
partially there but under the Coastal Act
in our county coastal plan that habitat

858
01:13:14,80 --> 01:13:19,00
must be protected it's called environmental
or environmental sensitive habitat area

859
01:13:19,69 --> 01:13:25,55
so the other issue is that I see that
is going to limit this project to

860
01:13:25,56 --> 01:13:31,85
a greater degree than what the applicants
have already evaluated is the. Coastal

861
01:13:31,86 --> 01:13:38,72
buffer erosion and that.
The mapping I spend on

862
01:13:38,73 --> 01:13:39,79
so far is a is

863
01:13:39,80 --> 01:13:46,00
a pretty generalized twenty eight foot set
down based on the initial engineering.

864
01:13:48,70 --> 01:13:54,58
Report However I think because there are
two separate rates or Rosen on this

865
01:13:54,59 --> 01:14:00,43
property the northern part is is has a rocky
substrate and is a more resistant has

866
01:14:00,44 --> 01:14:03,21
a low Roshon rate and
the southern part has

867
01:14:03,22 --> 01:14:10,15
a high erosion had read according to the
county maps geologic hazards maps so. We

868
01:14:10,16 --> 01:14:16,59
also think that they sort of leveled
off they that indentation that is. So

869
01:14:16,60 --> 01:14:21,06
prominent there that they're not
really provide an adequate.

870
01:14:23,25 --> 01:14:28,23
Projection of that. And you know I heard
which you said tonight when I want to

871
01:14:28,24 --> 01:14:32,05
thank you all for coming on your team for
coming and listening to everybody and

872
01:14:32,06 --> 01:14:38,91
from the Coast Council and the county
for holding this workshop the. The

873
01:14:38,92 --> 01:14:42,57
other let's see public access I'm sure other
people are going to talk about public

874
01:14:42,58 --> 01:14:45,90
access and the other important L.C.D.

875
01:14:45,91 --> 01:14:48,35
Policy is in point five which requires

876
01:14:48,36 --> 01:14:51,99
a new development this preserve the visual
and open space and qualities of the site

877
01:14:51,99 --> 01:14:58,50
. IOW we feel that the three large
residential structures on the open

878
01:14:58,51 --> 01:15:01,32
grasslands on Lot B. D. And D.

879
01:15:01,36 --> 01:15:06,03
Are going in significantly impact those
scenic views too and along the coast from

880
01:15:06,04 --> 01:15:12,26
Juliana and from the coastal trail and we
are hoping to work with the applicant to

881
01:15:12,27 --> 01:15:19,11
revise this project so that the whole
area that's outlined in Antone's map will

882
01:15:19,12 --> 01:15:23,58
be preserved and it will need some kind of
permanent protection and that will also

883
01:15:23,59 --> 01:15:29,84
be able to allow the coastal trail to move
inland as the bluffer roads so we would

884
01:15:29,85 --> 01:15:35,53
like to work we've done this before and
some other projects we'd like to offer to

885
01:15:35,54 --> 01:15:40,26
work with the applicant and interested
neighbors and so forth to see if there can

886
01:15:40,27 --> 01:15:40,40
be

887
01:15:40,41 --> 01:15:45,13
a revised project that would have fewer
homes and they would be located outside of

888
01:15:45,14 --> 01:15:50,58
that area thank you very much
learning. Annex not James la carte.

889
01:15:56,19 --> 01:15:58,84
Is Good evening James La
Garde were on when he was

890
01:15:58,85 --> 01:16:05,49
a and so speech my wife Kathy is here
with me we'd like to point out several

891
01:16:05,53 --> 01:16:12,20
considerations that we think argue against
the development in its present form and

892
01:16:12,21 --> 01:16:18,37
we'd like to see it as many Roberts mentioned
reduced in area so that these impacts

893
01:16:18,38 --> 01:16:25,07
could be minimal as. We read in the.
Letter to Mr Holbrook and that's

894
01:16:25,12 --> 01:16:26,79
posted on the in C.C.

895
01:16:26,80 --> 01:16:31,19
Site as well the Fillmore
plus land there is

896
01:16:31,25 --> 01:16:37,01
a unique piece of undeveloped coastal
zone it's never been built on.

897
01:16:38,42 --> 01:16:41,39
It's as as Tony of said a river

898
01:16:41,44 --> 01:16:48,08
a very rare coastal prairie
habitat. That. Contains several

899
01:16:48,09 --> 01:16:51,09
rare and endangered plant
species as well as being

900
01:16:51,10 --> 01:16:57,07
a raft or of attack. That coastal
prairie also needs a bit of

901
01:16:57,08 --> 01:17:03,48
a buffer zone between houses so
that houses are put just yet of the

902
01:17:03,58 --> 01:17:10,21
valuable coastal where. The property in
question is you've heard I was fragile

903
01:17:10,22 --> 01:17:16,90
soil with Raptr Rose who knows
ability. We understand the good

904
01:17:16,91 --> 01:17:23,51
effort to use pervious paving possible
but still the houses are going to put

905
01:17:23,66 --> 01:17:30,05
a lot of additional storm run off into the
ground would otherwise be retained by

906
01:17:30,39 --> 01:17:36,88
vegetation and. This will probably be
handled by some sort of dry well or

907
01:17:37,16 --> 01:17:42,39
infiltration trenches but even in that
case the water is injected into the ground

908
01:17:42,95 --> 01:17:48,95
and can further destabilize the
ground on the well below the site.

909
01:17:50,27 --> 01:17:57,19
No water at all so daylight on the cliff
edges and then go into the Fitzgerald

910
01:17:57,54 --> 01:18:04,33
remains are. There or is the Strand
coastal trail that you've heard about all

911
01:18:04,67 --> 01:18:11,42
of the problem there is that. Now
it's on public land but with

912
01:18:11,50 --> 01:18:15,26
the erosion are seeing continuing in

913
01:18:15,31 --> 01:18:22,09
a decade or so that trail would disappear
unless it could move on to the east. You

914
01:18:22,10 --> 01:18:28,17
know in private property and that can
happen if houses are built all the way to

915
01:18:28,48 --> 01:18:35,36
yeah the parcels in question there are
also other trails if we have one of

916
01:18:35,37 --> 01:18:42,36
the pictures of the property you'll
see one cross trail from fellow Mars

917
01:18:42,37 --> 01:18:49,20
three down to the coastal. On the public
has prescriptive easement on that trail

918
01:18:49,21 --> 01:18:56,04
through continued. And. Continued long

919
01:18:56,05 --> 01:19:00,48
term use of that got one cross
trail there and then there's

920
01:19:00,49 --> 01:19:07,12
a second cross trail along
so. We would like the

921
01:19:07,13 --> 01:19:08,33
project design such

922
01:19:08,34 --> 01:19:14,20
a way that those trails could be maintained
as easements as well so in summary.

923
01:19:15,77 --> 01:19:20,57
This is the land in question here is
actually the zone is open space or the is

924
01:19:20,61 --> 01:19:27,37
designated as open space in the county
general plan so we feel that in development

925
01:19:27,38 --> 01:19:29,86
it's done. Must be

926
01:19:29,87 --> 01:19:36,01
a very low density must protect and preserve
the coastal prairie environment. Must

927
01:19:36,14 --> 01:19:41,67
preserve access to the existing coastal
trails and must not contribute

928
01:19:41,68 --> 01:19:48,25
significantly to the erosion problems or
geologic instability. This could be done

929
01:19:48,26 --> 01:19:55,24
by building houses on the eastern portion
of the property near Bellmawr and

930
01:19:55,28 --> 01:20:01,76
further away from God thank you thank
you James. Next up. Gail Irwin.

931
01:20:10,56 --> 01:20:15,96
Hi I'm Gail Irwin and I live at twenty one
Juliana avenue my speech so we're right

932
01:20:15,97 --> 01:20:22,55
across the street from this property and I
have lived there for eighteen years and

933
01:20:22,56 --> 01:20:29,46
watched the beautiful little yellow flower
the laptop I'm saying it wrong and I.

934
01:20:30,57 --> 01:20:33,38
But it's it's indeed it's a it's

935
01:20:33,39 --> 01:20:39,67
a beautiful area as we all agree I'm not
going to go into all of my points because

936
01:20:39,68 --> 01:20:46,15
they've already been very well laid out by
other people but I would point out that

937
01:20:46,15 --> 01:20:52,98
. The sensitivity of this coastal
prairie area was disrupted by three

938
01:20:52,99 --> 01:20:56,29
test wells drilled from one thousand nine
hundred ninety eight to two thousand and

939
01:20:56,30 --> 01:21:03,05
one directly across Julianna Avenue
from our home these failed efforts left

940
01:21:03,06 --> 01:21:09,50
large pools of oil and abandoned
drill bit and well up to and be

941
01:21:09,51 --> 01:21:15,57
abandoned third Well all the rusty pipes
which sticks above the property still

942
01:21:15,100 --> 01:21:21,73
which is over nine hundred feet deep and
was used by many people passing by to

943
01:21:21,74 --> 01:21:25,76
deposit trash until the
well was finally capped

944
01:21:25,82 --> 01:21:32,53
a few years ago all of this do tree this
would pollute the property all over again

945
01:21:33,07 --> 01:21:39,24
if the construction of the slop
takes place THANK YOU THANK YOU GO.

946
01:21:41,18 --> 01:21:42,52
Next up to Mr.

947
01:21:49,70 --> 01:21:54,20
Hi I'm due to his stand and my husband
Mike is ill was unable to be here but he

948
01:21:54,21 --> 01:22:00,21
wanted to be. I live two hundred Winkie way
and we've owned the house floor in one

949
01:22:00,22 --> 01:22:06,43
thousand years and. I'm not going to take
any time tonight I just want to register

950
01:22:06,44 --> 01:22:11,98
that I couldn't have spoken about the
points that concern us any better than Jim

951
01:22:11,99 --> 01:22:18,60
Lockhart and. Lenny ROBERTS So I appreciate
all the points they need I concur with

952
01:22:18,61 --> 01:22:23,02
everything they've raised and I just
want to go on record by saying I'm super

953
01:22:23,03 --> 01:22:29,24
concerned about the buffer zone between
houses and Cliff I guess bottom line is

954
01:22:30,09 --> 01:22:35,45
I think there are going to be houses here
and I'm saying why six it seems to me

955
01:22:35,46 --> 01:22:41,18
a compromise of three or four back
along Bellmawr it would really satisfy

956
01:22:41,19 --> 01:22:46,11
a lot of the concerns here tonight and also
allow the project to continue so I hope

957
01:22:46,12 --> 01:22:53,00
you consider something like that
thank you. Jack McCarthy drop.

958
01:22:54,33 --> 01:23:01,02
By Jack Carthy I live at four hundred
California last week neighbor well. I

959
01:23:01,03 --> 01:23:06,00
concur with the community sentiment that's
coming for me. You know in general terms

960
01:23:06,01 --> 01:23:09,81
if we look at that area.
Really you know we're seeing

961
01:23:09,82 --> 01:23:15,09
a very creative nice project but it's
really sort of stretching the boundaries on

962
01:23:15,10 --> 01:23:20,10
every issue you know particularly you
know coastal access to these issues you

963
01:23:20,11 --> 01:23:24,61
should for everyone in California just
everyone supports it and the idea that we're

964
01:23:24,62 --> 01:23:29,55
pushing it really close to the bluff the
bluffs are receding those fans were

965
01:23:29,56 --> 01:23:34,45
restricting obviously the public's access
to to walk the walk because you really

966
01:23:34,46 --> 01:23:41,30
have to address that idea years coast of
use. Close to access to habitat are all

967
01:23:41,31 --> 01:23:47,12
very important drug considerations and
you know I just and I would like to. You

968
01:23:47,13 --> 01:23:53,99
know agree with the. Issues that were
brought up. That were put on the the

969
01:23:54,00 --> 01:23:58,16
website of the F.C.C.
Citing all the L.C.P.

970
01:23:58,16 --> 01:24:04,59
. Policies that are that are
being impacted in terms of

971
01:24:04,60 --> 01:24:09,87
habitat in terms of public access in terms
of you call the public you close to you

972
01:24:10,59 --> 01:24:16,35
and I also agree with the letter from the
Committee for grief which kills that said

973
01:24:16,36 --> 01:24:20,48
that reconfiguring and reducing the number
of parcels locating the houses along

974
01:24:20,49 --> 01:24:21,81
Belmar among which are

975
01:24:21,82 --> 01:24:26,04
a cyclist trees and permanently protecting
the sensitive habitats public trails and

976
01:24:26,05 --> 01:24:27,27
bluff retreat areas through

977
01:24:27,28 --> 01:24:31,51
a forceful restriction such as conservation
easement would allow advantageous use

978
01:24:31,52 --> 01:24:36,28
of the property without significant adverse
impacts so thank you but I'm really

979
01:24:36,29 --> 01:24:37,04
looking forward to seeing

980
01:24:37,05 --> 01:24:43,92
a good compromise Thank you. George this

981
01:24:43,93 --> 01:24:46,13
year myself for Johnny has

982
01:24:46,14 --> 01:24:52,99
a nice may see I thank you George Mason.
And it was George may seal I came about

983
01:24:53,00 --> 01:24:54,69
being involved with these

984
01:24:54,70 --> 01:24:59,38
a lot somewhat about fifteen years ago
with Mr Charnock I tempted to purchase

985
01:24:59,39 --> 01:25:04,42
a couple lots from him as he was trying to
do the development which I was unable to

986
01:25:05,17 --> 01:25:11,79
and. One certain point that the
Mr Tron our truck. Ran down

987
01:25:11,80 --> 01:25:17,18
steam I believe he became ill that there
was an opportunity for me to. Buy

988
01:25:17,19 --> 01:25:19,04
a couple lots i own be in G.

989
01:25:19,60 --> 01:25:25,45
On the project on the to development there.
It's always been my dream I'm getting

990
01:25:25,46 --> 01:25:29,83
close to retirement age that I could
retire down here it's extremely beautiful

991
01:25:30,25 --> 01:25:33,93
probably one of the most spectacular
views on the coast I'd say in all of

992
01:25:33,94 --> 01:25:40,88
California. And I. Can understand
all your concerns of all

993
01:25:40,89 --> 01:25:46,28
the the situations that hurt in the
past all those challenges would be just

994
01:25:46,34 --> 01:25:51,43
overwhelming for me to take on is why I got
involved with the boy in his team to be

995
01:25:51,44 --> 01:25:55,06
able to put something together that would
be acceptable for the community as

996
01:25:55,07 --> 01:26:00,84
a whole. I'm sure all the issues are
addressed here tonight are all going to be

997
01:26:00,85 --> 01:26:02,86
solved but I would say he's
going to make a hell of

998
01:26:02,87 --> 01:26:09,03
a shot of dissolving the majority of them
if you can. Hopefully that will happen I

999
01:26:09,04 --> 01:26:09,40
might get

1000
01:26:09,41 --> 01:26:16,35
a shot of moving down here thank
you thank you George. And

1001
01:26:16,36 --> 01:26:23,33
Forrester. Ran Forrester live in Los
beach have been on the coast for almost

1002
01:26:23,34 --> 01:26:27,93
thirty years. I think the bottom
line here is that I won't take

1003
01:26:27,94 --> 01:26:31,92
a whole lot of your time I think you guys
are probably figured out because there

1004
01:26:31,93 --> 01:26:33,75
really needs to be some
compromise you're going to have

1005
01:26:33,76 --> 01:26:38,61
a really long battle so we hope your loins
are really well guarded because our sure

1006
01:26:38,62 --> 01:26:45,61
as heck are. I thoroughly agree with Bunny
Roberts I thoroughly agree with Jim

1007
01:26:45,62 --> 01:26:50,73
Lockhart I thoroughly agree with much of
what has been said by everybody here good

1008
01:26:50,74 --> 01:26:54,97
luck. Thank you have. My shelf.

1009
01:27:01,03 --> 01:27:06,60
Mike Shelby and I live on with us and one
of the things I really appreciate about

1010
01:27:06,61 --> 01:27:11,33
the application of it is that when I first
started it was I think when Dick was

1011
01:27:11,34 --> 01:27:17,29
involved we tried to deal with the homes
on an individual basis and I really

1012
01:27:17,30 --> 01:27:22,43
appreciate by taking that as a whole
so we can all see the impact as

1013
01:27:22,44 --> 01:27:26,86
a whole rather than individual
piece I think that's a that's

1014
01:27:27,36 --> 01:27:33,78
a real benefit in terms of the way it was
with which other. Times. In terms of what

1015
01:27:33,79 --> 01:27:37,85
Gail had said in terms of the activities
there were there before with the wells and

1016
01:27:37,86 --> 01:27:39,15
so forth this was

1017
01:27:39,16 --> 01:27:46,16
a very disruptive even to the point that
the days of drop they rolled out of

1018
01:27:46,17 --> 01:27:49,86
one of the holes and they they put T.N.T.

1019
01:27:49,87 --> 01:27:54,92
Down in those holes try to get it out
without any notice to anybody so we were

1020
01:27:54,93 --> 01:27:58,30
subject to that as well so
there was a lot of there's

1021
01:27:58,31 --> 01:28:04,97
a lot of issues ago that we really don't
know what what materials from from the

1022
01:28:04,98 --> 01:28:09,99
past have been brought up from the bottom
on those on the on the block tops you

1023
01:28:10,00 --> 01:28:14,41
know what I think is really important to
see what's the what's really there because

1024
01:28:14,42 --> 01:28:17,66
the Navy was used to be there and I don't
know how many hazardous waste you're

1025
01:28:17,67 --> 01:28:23,00
still on top of there that considered you
know having been there for so many years

1026
01:28:23,79 --> 01:28:29,30
I don't think any of the locals here would
like ideally would like to see anything

1027
01:28:29,85 --> 01:28:31,07
on there it's been such

1028
01:28:31,08 --> 01:28:37,26
a great community property there have
been the benches on the block tops that

1029
01:28:37,98 --> 01:28:40,88
was that was built by the
community of person repaired

1030
01:28:41,02 --> 01:28:45,76
a number of them I believe the first one.
Bridge across there just so people have

1031
01:28:45,77 --> 01:28:49,25
more access and people there are
the weddings out there it is just

1032
01:28:49,26 --> 01:28:56,04
a great great community asset
to have and in particularly if

1033
01:28:56,05 --> 01:29:02,14
there's if if there's fences Delancey all
of that goes away and particularly with

1034
01:29:02,15 --> 01:29:07,30
the erosion and so forth to somebody else
to do this every single house and their

1035
01:29:07,68 --> 01:29:14,56
takes away from the permeable. Permeable
soil has been all you wrote comes

1036
01:29:14,57 --> 01:29:16,06
from the top I'm

1037
01:29:16,07 --> 01:29:21,07
a really proponent of the real proponent
of Lenny and what she's trying to do in

1038
01:29:21,08 --> 01:29:27,48
the kind of. Proposal she's making from
my point of view two houses is not.

1039
01:29:28,72 --> 01:29:33,38
Any more than that is probably really
problematical from my point of view and also

1040
01:29:33,39 --> 01:29:38,88
if there's any up there I think of the
really bored have come down from the Alamar

1041
01:29:38,89 --> 01:29:44,99
rather than actually you know there are
two houses as currently specified on.

1042
01:29:46,29 --> 01:29:52,74
The upper lots that are only twenty feet
from. From Balad Mark and I think that

1043
01:29:52,75 --> 01:29:58,46
would be problematical for you for your
perspective to the heights you know from

1044
01:29:58,47 --> 01:30:00,43
Highway one and so forth
so I think that would be

1045
01:30:00,44 --> 01:30:06,86
a real problem out of the woods well having
that that close to. The road on that

1046
01:30:06,87 --> 01:30:11,59
and. You know I would have really great and
most of the people here are saying it's

1047
01:30:11,60 --> 01:30:16,86
something we've got to be consider very
very carefully not only on the impact of

1048
01:30:16,87 --> 01:30:22,32
the environment that. That property but
also the impact on the community that's

1049
01:30:22,33 --> 01:30:26,77
been using the property for years and years
and years thank you very much thank you

1050
01:30:26,78 --> 01:30:30,33
Mike. Stephanie sills.

1051
01:30:35,70 --> 01:30:41,55
Stephanie cells from Lincoln Way must meet
up as with my question earlier I'm going

1052
01:30:41,56 --> 01:30:45,30
to talk about. In the area. As

1053
01:30:45,31 --> 01:30:51,02
a little bit beyond just the scope of the
project. When I moved to the community

1054
01:30:51,03 --> 01:30:56,31
nine years ago I used to go down to the
beach below this bluff which is the

1055
01:30:56,32 --> 01:31:00,82
northern end of Fitzgerald marine reserve
I would go down there every single day

1056
01:31:00,83 --> 01:31:01,75
with my coffee and

1057
01:31:01,76 --> 01:31:06,55
a trash bag and pick up trash off the
beach and look over the fish bones and

1058
01:31:06,56 --> 01:31:11,77
sometimes I would find leopard sharks and
seal pups and once an elephant seal and I

1059
01:31:11,78 --> 01:31:16,28
would see dolphins and whales and the
list goes on and on and so I really see

1060
01:31:16,29 --> 01:31:19,82
myself as and many of my neighbors too as

1061
01:31:19,86 --> 01:31:25,55
a steward of this area that's so
precious to us. And I'm grateful for the

1062
01:31:25,56 --> 01:31:29,15
opportunity to come here and discuss and
to meet so many neighbors which has been

1063
01:31:29,16 --> 01:31:33,98
really wonderful but I just wanted to
echo some of the concerns about the

1064
01:31:33,99 --> 01:31:38,96
environment not just of the plot but
also to that northern end of Fitzgerald

1065
01:31:39,34 --> 01:31:45,09
Reserve which is directly below and which
I believe is often littered with trash

1066
01:31:45,10 --> 01:31:50,05
from the water that runs down the hill
across their property and down and my fear

1067
01:31:50,06 --> 01:31:56,79
is that with. A large scale development
that that could increase more

1068
01:31:56,80 --> 01:32:02,49
topsoil going down the hill more trash
more of all of this sort of entering into

1069
01:32:02,50 --> 01:32:08,16
that part of the beach in the reserve
so. Just again to reiterate some of the

1070
01:32:08,17 --> 01:32:13,61
points of concern about the trees the Raptors
and the coastal Prairie which is home

1071
01:32:13,62 --> 01:32:19,61
to the prey for those
rafters. The the plants and.

1072
01:32:21,42 --> 01:32:26,37
Just thinking about the impact of this
project once again to the value of of all of

1073
01:32:26,38 --> 01:32:30,69
our homes and all of our experience of
living Our So certainly there could be of

1074
01:32:30,82 --> 01:32:37,35
a benefit of an increase in home values
to the area but I know other homes will

1075
01:32:37,36 --> 01:32:41,87
probably suffer in value because their
views will be impacted and there won't be

1076
01:32:41,88 --> 01:32:47,06
that open space and I'd just like would
like for the project team to be considerate

1077
01:32:47,17 --> 01:32:53,85
of not just those parcels of land but an
area that exceeds beyond that and all of

1078
01:32:53,86 --> 01:32:59,05
the different impacts I raise
thanks you stuff. Dave shore.

1079
01:33:03,97 --> 01:33:08,41
I'm sure I'm from Half Moon Bay And right
now I have from Bay The city is going

1080
01:33:08,42 --> 01:33:15,33
through the general plan update and one
of the topics that I spoke spark the most

1081
01:33:15,67 --> 01:33:19,79
lively shall we say discussion down there
is that of bluff top development and this

1082
01:33:19,80 --> 01:33:25,64
process this project is representative and
emblematic of exactly the thing that has

1083
01:33:25,70 --> 01:33:29,20
everybody and have them be uniformly
up in arms this is exactly the kind of

1084
01:33:29,21 --> 01:33:35,39
development nobody wants to see Prime bluff
top property great public value great

1085
01:33:35,40 --> 01:33:39,20
scenic Valley great environmental value
and somebody wants to put some very

1086
01:33:39,21 --> 01:33:42,98
expensive homes on it it doesn't fly in
Half Moon Bay and it sounds like it doesn't

1087
01:33:42,99 --> 01:33:46,87
really fly up here I would submit
that this is about money it's

1088
01:33:46,88 --> 01:33:50,85
a development project if you want something
to go through and you want to make some

1089
01:33:50,86 --> 01:33:53,06
money if you scale that back to us to

1090
01:33:53,07 --> 01:33:56,51
a level where people are not going to fight
you tooth and nail for years to come

1091
01:33:56,94 --> 01:34:00,18
you'll make some money otherwise as somebody
else is reference you'll probably be

1092
01:34:00,19 --> 01:34:04,69
tied up for years and years and
years specifically there are

1093
01:34:04,70 --> 01:34:08,42
a couple of really you know I'm new to
looking at this but again people mention

1094
01:34:08,43 --> 01:34:11,68
building right up to the
last line is ridiculous

1095
01:34:11,69 --> 01:34:16,45
a pretty aggressive strategy building right
up to the what is called the coastal

1096
01:34:16,46 --> 01:34:18,96
erosion setback which can
only be described as

1097
01:34:19,00 --> 01:34:24,41
a literally moving target at this point.
So what happens when you know I don't know

1098
01:34:24,42 --> 01:34:28,64
what the legal mechanism of that setback
alignment is but what happens if that

1099
01:34:28,65 --> 01:34:33,49
setback has to get moved and there's somebody
deck hot tub garage or kitchen on it

1100
01:34:33,95 --> 01:34:40,25
I don't know. It's really you know
it's an aggressive development project

1101
01:34:40,100 --> 01:34:43,43
it would seem that you'd probably not have

1102
01:34:43,44 --> 01:34:47,26
a lot of objection if you put two or
three houses along Belmore and left the

1103
01:34:47,27 --> 01:34:51,63
cypress tree as a visual buffer
intact. You know perhaps

1104
01:34:51,64 --> 01:34:55,58
a compromise can be struck and everybody
comes out of this with some homes it's not

1105
01:34:55,59 --> 01:34:59,13
like you can claim that you're putting in
housing for seniors disabled or the low

1106
01:34:59,14 --> 01:35:03,12
income folks are getting forced out of this
area by rising rents rising home prices

1107
01:35:03,59 --> 01:35:03,86
this is

1108
01:35:03,87 --> 01:35:08,71
a development project so if you compromise
is probably inevitable Yes Thanks very

1109
01:35:08,72 --> 01:35:15,59
much Mr Leonard. I do it so well these

1110
01:35:15,60 --> 01:35:20,42
bring that up I'll make some other comments
real quick to this proposal just makes

1111
01:35:20,43 --> 01:35:22,61
a mockery of the whole
intent of our i'm C.Z.

1112
01:35:22,62 --> 01:35:26,37
Zoning it's resource management it's not
our one and they're developing it as if

1113
01:35:26,38 --> 01:35:33,27
it's our one. And as far as the height
limit height limit is measured above the

1114
01:35:33,28 --> 01:35:36,78
actual grade so they can build it up all
they want but they still have to measure

1115
01:35:37,15 --> 01:35:42,69
from what the current rate is to the next
on the height of the building. And if

1116
01:35:42,70 --> 01:35:48,78
they were serious about police seventh
parcel being in permanent open space the one

1117
01:35:48,79 --> 01:35:53,03
part of the application would say at the
completion that it will be transferred to

1118
01:35:53,04 --> 01:35:54,14
a public entity with

1119
01:35:54,15 --> 01:35:59,57
a deed restriction and making it permanent
open space for us my comments of late

1120
01:35:59,58 --> 01:36:06,45
sort of need the visuals
for. It so it's on the

1121
01:36:06,46 --> 01:36:11,50
upper part there it's the lower corner
there which is R M C Z That's not terribly

1122
01:36:11,51 --> 01:36:16,54
clear so on that in the next in the next
now page that's more clear that it's R.

1123
01:36:16,55 --> 01:36:16,91
And C.

1124
01:36:16,92 --> 01:36:24,10
Is easy so we know that So
next next wide. This is the

1125
01:36:24,44 --> 01:36:30,63
beginning of the contract called the Joint
Powers authority agreement that created

1126
01:36:31,06 --> 01:36:35,71
the sewer authority BIDCO site otherwise
known as Sam treatment plant that's in

1127
01:36:35,72 --> 01:36:40,93
Half Moon Bay But all of the CO site
agencies and there are wastewater to notice

1128
01:36:40,94 --> 01:36:47,19
that it's dated February third one nine
hundred seventy six and if you take

1129
01:36:47,20 --> 01:36:49,15
a quick look at paragraph D.

1130
01:36:49,15 --> 01:36:55,48
. And just for comparison purposes that
this paragraph is not terribly relevant the

1131
01:36:55,49 --> 01:36:56,17
next one is

1132
01:36:56,21 --> 01:37:01,71
a notice that four months later in June one
thousand nine hundred seventy six it's

1133
01:37:01,72 --> 01:37:03,91
the First Amendment to the G.P.A.

1134
01:37:03,92 --> 01:37:10,81
Agreement next slide and what happened
here the Coastal Commission forced

1135
01:37:10,86 --> 01:37:16,05
that money. And this isn't in the permit
but I was unable locate the permit in time

1136
01:37:16,06 --> 01:37:20,65
for this meeting because mission forced
them to add the language that unfortunately

1137
01:37:20,66 --> 01:37:22,87
slops over on in the next
page so it's more of

1138
01:37:22,88 --> 01:37:28,00
a heavy bar their. Service area boundaries
are defined as the current corporate

1139
01:37:28,01 --> 01:37:33,75
city limits of the city and all lands
within the districts not zoned are am the

1140
01:37:33,76 --> 01:37:38,47
part of this. Land is not
eligible for source ervice it is

1141
01:37:38,48 --> 01:37:45,22
a violation of the coastal permit like that
of one of the Sam plant to be built it

1142
01:37:45,23 --> 01:37:45,33
is

1143
01:37:45,34 --> 01:37:51,07
a violation of the Joint Powers agency agreement
for Monteiro district to provide sewer

1144
01:37:51,08 --> 01:37:57,77
service there you cannot legally get sewer
service. And didn't have any more slides

1145
01:37:57,78 --> 01:38:02,50
it was at the end of it that was the end
of it so that's in my comments to make.

1146
01:38:05,80 --> 01:38:07,71
This isn't my Kalak case.

1147
01:38:16,73 --> 01:38:19,43
I'm Susan McCulloch case and we have

1148
01:38:19,44 --> 01:38:25,96
a nineteen thirteen one storey
old house on Stetson and we are

1149
01:38:25,97 --> 01:38:32,43
directly straight shot to Juliana and. My

1150
01:38:33,14 --> 01:38:39,23
my point is that you can't stop progress
and so you hope that it. Clear for

1151
01:38:39,24 --> 01:38:45,68
everyone and my big concern is someone
in my neighborhood put up solar

1152
01:38:45,69 --> 01:38:49,43
panels that are right in my
line of view even though I have

1153
01:38:49,44 --> 01:38:56,20
a view easement and my sunsets are a
little bit like a mirror and so it's

1154
01:38:56,21 --> 01:39:03,17
a and also color so my concern
is when the houses if they get

1155
01:39:03,23 --> 01:39:09,10
built. Where with the solar panels if
you're going green or if you're I would

1156
01:39:09,11 --> 01:39:15,15
assume this is very careful about. Solar
panels and runoff water and all those

1157
01:39:15,16 --> 01:39:21,22
sorts of things so if there were solar
panels is it possible they could go on the

1158
01:39:21,26 --> 01:39:28,07
ocean side facing the ocean so that they
don't want everybody on the east side of

1159
01:39:28,08 --> 01:39:34,42
the highway so we're looking at mirrors
instead of the sunset. That's it

1160
01:39:35,11 --> 01:39:41,25
thank you Susan. Caro Oh man.

1161
01:39:46,11 --> 01:39:47,98
I'm I'm going to talk to

1162
01:39:48,32 --> 01:39:52,66
a general issue that many people have
talked to already which it involves

1163
01:39:52,67 --> 01:39:58,66
a bluff erosion and so forth and.
It's and then bring it down to

1164
01:39:58,67 --> 01:40:05,52
a specific site with the red property line
shows it best. Especially might be even

1165
01:40:05,53 --> 01:40:10,29
better for all this is the one from the
G O L I like this I'd like I see the

1166
01:40:10,30 --> 01:40:10,90
picture here

1167
01:40:10,91 --> 01:40:17,85
a photo out of. The way
bluffer ocean happens all up

1168
01:40:17,86 --> 01:40:21,32
and down this part of the California coast
and indeed most of the parts of the West

1169
01:40:21,33 --> 01:40:28,21
Coast is that yes there is some runoff
from the surface there is some annual bit

1170
01:40:28,22 --> 01:40:34,47
of erosion off of the need there
surfaces that rotated surfaces but

1171
01:40:35,72 --> 01:40:41,13
most of the big chunks of bluff
the chunks of bluff that all of

1172
01:40:41,14 --> 01:40:45,18
a sudden people who had seventy five feet
of bluff top and back at their house in

1173
01:40:45,19 --> 01:40:48,09
Pacifica had houses going over the edge

1174
01:40:48,37 --> 01:40:54,08
a few years ago I made some money
taking pictures of that. And.

1175
01:40:55,81 --> 01:40:58,05
It goes all at once this is not

1176
01:40:58,06 --> 01:41:03,87
a gradual thing when you see an average
retreat of the bluff that's not how it

1177
01:41:03,88 --> 01:41:09,88
happens and what happens at those times
when big chunks go off is all the soft the

1178
01:41:09,89 --> 01:41:15,44
bluff material becomes saturated and
this is why it's during the biggest most

1179
01:41:15,45 --> 01:41:21,48
extended storm periods that you get your
big chunks of bluff disappearing on you

1180
01:41:23,15 --> 01:41:29,86
and. It's otherwise you don't you don't
really see anything very dramatic this

1181
01:41:29,87 --> 01:41:35,07
property has a bit of a benefit in
this regard in that there's a are

1182
01:41:35,12 --> 01:41:42,00
a rocky. Substrate all
along the edge of it and

1183
01:41:42,05 --> 01:41:48,73
during regular years and during normal
tides even with storms most of the

1184
01:41:48,74 --> 01:41:53,84
storm energies dissipated on that
that rocky area so it's actually like

1185
01:41:53,85 --> 01:41:56,43
a what we were trying
to get as a bucket or

1186
01:41:56,44 --> 01:42:02,90
a Sun Devil slide it buttresses the
soft bluff material and you don't get

1187
01:42:02,95 --> 01:42:09,86
a whole lot of bluffer Roshan
during regular storm of this. It's

1188
01:42:09,87 --> 01:42:10,49
going to be quite

1189
01:42:10,50 --> 01:42:15,92
a year possibly this year and just within
the last day or two the probability of

1190
01:42:15,93 --> 01:42:20,39
these storms coming up from Southern
California has been increased in the forecast

1191
01:42:20,40 --> 01:42:26,43
and we could really get blasted if you if
you have saturated soils on those bluffs

1192
01:42:26,77 --> 01:42:31,59
the bluff material is thoroughly saturated
and you get one of these storms on top

1193
01:42:31,60 --> 01:42:31,70
of

1194
01:42:31,71 --> 01:42:38,50
a king tide as we may well have probably not
in December but possibly in January you

1195
01:42:38,51 --> 01:42:45,28
have an opportunity for this kind
of chunk of bluff to go out on you

1196
01:42:45,46 --> 01:42:51,04
and in here I would guess you easily
lose ten fifteen feet if this all comes

1197
01:42:51,05 --> 01:42:56,93
together let me sorry to extend
this but let me point to one area.

1198
01:42:59,31 --> 01:43:04,84
Where you want. To rely. On.

1199
01:43:10,88 --> 01:43:17,35
What we want see you can see that
this thing called rail relief we

1200
01:43:18,35 --> 01:43:22,78
right there you know. If there's

1201
01:43:22,79 --> 01:43:27,97
a fence there you know we might be going
along the edge clinging to the fence. The

1202
01:43:27,98 --> 01:43:32,96
other thing the other thing that's happening
right at that spot just about where

1203
01:43:33,45 --> 01:43:34,55
a lot see

1204
01:43:34,56 --> 01:43:41,29
a lot of the Come Together is where this
rare flocks or left both I find is that

1205
01:43:41,38 --> 01:43:47,24
the genus. And it's no longer
two acres out there it's

1206
01:43:47,25 --> 01:43:53,66
a little tiny patch of this stuff
and in some years darn few plants

1207
01:43:54,31 --> 01:44:00,44
although if it manages to go along it's
right at that point where there's already

1208
01:44:00,45 --> 01:44:07,45
been some erosion and you have it you have
an opportunity for this no place else in

1209
01:44:07,46 --> 01:44:11,09
the world plant. To disappear and all of

1210
01:44:11,10 --> 01:44:17,40
a sudden Also you might think oh well
they could put up some car some sort of

1211
01:44:18,29 --> 01:44:21,93
wall or something like that and
run the coastal trail across

1212
01:44:21,97 --> 01:44:28,19
a structure like this you'd also be
destroying this rare plants place if you did

1213
01:44:28,20 --> 01:44:33,86
that. So right there not only will we have

1214
01:44:33,87 --> 01:44:34,98
a good potential with

1215
01:44:35,15 --> 01:44:40,48
a saturated bluff of losing the trail but
we're also losing one of the one of our

1216
01:44:40,49 --> 01:44:47,20
rare features of our local communities
that's just sorry for taking so much time

1217
01:44:47,21 --> 01:44:52,00
but that's just one one example of the kinds
of things that can converge to create

1218
01:44:52,01 --> 01:44:58,98
a problem here any additional saturation
of the bluff top material. Will

1219
01:44:59,20 --> 01:45:03,67
make what are the situation I just described
works if there is more money coming

1220
01:45:03,94 --> 01:45:10,88
more pardon me money more water coming
off the hard set I mean I know but I

1221
01:45:10,89 --> 01:45:16,03
know money comes off hard to get I know
money comes off hard skating but if there's

1222
01:45:16,04 --> 01:45:20,10
any additional water coming off the hard
skating to add to the saturation of the

1223
01:45:20,11 --> 01:45:26,06
ball off topic we've got an extra problem
Thank you Carl and I have one last

1224
01:45:26,07 --> 01:45:32,99
speaker so that will come out of Barbara.
I'm Barbara Qassim on speech I've

1225
01:45:33,00 --> 01:45:37,20
been working that trail for about eighteen
years and I've noticed the sort of

1226
01:45:37,21 --> 01:45:43,10
continual thank you degradation of the
trail. Monterey Cypress are moving in and

1227
01:45:43,11 --> 01:45:48,62
taking over the prairie the erosion this
happening people are trampling it maybe we

1228
01:45:48,63 --> 01:45:52,70
could do some kind of compromise like you
get to build two houses but set up some

1229
01:45:52,71 --> 01:45:57,70
kind of remediation thing for that.
Beautiful prairie and something that always

1230
01:45:57,83 --> 01:45:59,22
maybe set up some kind of

1231
01:45:59,23 --> 01:46:04,09
a plan so that we can save that rare
plant and you know maybe that's

1232
01:46:04,10 --> 01:46:05,24
a real win win as

1233
01:46:05,25 --> 01:46:10,52
a way to really conserve that special place
and you know in exchange for letting

1234
01:46:10,53 --> 01:46:15,55
state a couple of really special people
live in some really special home. And just

1235
01:46:15,56 --> 01:46:18,68
a regular. Bill keel.

1236
01:46:22,23 --> 01:46:27,29
Again Bill keel still more speech I want
to agree with just about everybody who

1237
01:46:27,30 --> 01:46:31,75
went before me and some are more eloquent
than I could be I didn't hear anyone

1238
01:46:31,76 --> 01:46:35,98
mention I'm sure it's in the documents
from folks who haven't seen yet about the

1239
01:46:35,99 --> 01:46:42,85
runoff from the development and
the fifteen were. Buried in

1240
01:46:42,86 --> 01:46:49,58
areas significant biological
let's call. Them that is B.S.

1241
01:46:49,59 --> 01:46:56,55
And so those are the initial post I think
of. The other he said. I had talked

1242
01:46:56,56 --> 01:47:01,71
to someone else before the new book that's
where he brought it up because he is on

1243
01:47:01,72 --> 01:47:08,50
Sam So he's much more. Aware
of that law that says you

1244
01:47:08,51 --> 01:47:15,09
not supposed to deliver the source of this
is there if that's the case then I don't

1245
01:47:15,10 --> 01:47:18,19
see how any building going on there because
they're going to have to go to some

1246
01:47:18,20 --> 01:47:21,53
kind of septic tank which needs
a leaky field which is on

1247
01:47:21,54 --> 01:47:28,46
a bluff which is where does this go
like. Oh I'm sorry I'm sorry so.

1248
01:47:29,43 --> 01:47:36,30
Oh OK So so I I I'm glad Len who's on Sam
brought up the fact that. They can have

1249
01:47:36,31 --> 01:47:42,38
a sort of sewer service there because
of the law that all but the J.P.

1250
01:47:42,39 --> 01:47:46,58
It's Sam into effect and if they can't have
sewer service then the only thing they

1251
01:47:46,59 --> 01:47:51,77
could do is some kind of septic tank leach
field the trying to put it septic tank

1252
01:47:52,25 --> 01:47:58,27
leach field in that area. Well if the
county okayed it the county would call the

1253
01:47:58,28 --> 01:48:04,44
libel for the disaster that happens afterwards
so. I think that's really important

1254
01:48:04,56 --> 01:48:11,28
that it was own. Resource management and
now as you pointed out we're trying to

1255
01:48:11,29 --> 01:48:15,82
make it a residential
one and. That to me is

1256
01:48:15,83 --> 01:48:20,86
a result in that shouldn't be happening
especially with what Tony pointed out and I

1257
01:48:20,87 --> 01:48:25,33
think we did about the
significance of the wildflowers

1258
01:48:25,34 --> 01:48:32,17
a fairy thing you know we don't have it
anymore so I just you know I wish there was

1259
01:48:32,18 --> 01:48:38,38
a compromise but you probably step in on
the last little piece of of open space

1260
01:48:38,39 --> 01:48:38,95
there was

1261
01:48:38,96 --> 01:48:44,53
a unique flavor to it and I think. I did
not go along with the compromise of and

1262
01:48:44,87 --> 01:48:49,98
that's why I say. Thank
you Bill. Gary Namen.

1263
01:48:53,63 --> 01:49:00,59
Here in. The condo members. And I
don't want to be argumentative but I

1264
01:49:00,60 --> 01:49:06,57
counted the number two story one story
house the long history of and two stories

1265
01:49:06,73 --> 01:49:13,13
three for one story. But that's not reporting
the report is that everybody hears

1266
01:49:13,21 --> 01:49:19,44
passionate. Saving blocks in terms of
blocks are really something special ribbons

1267
01:49:19,60 --> 01:49:25,86
we've been on on you know for nineteen
years and watch the Raptors and.

1268
01:49:28,04 --> 01:49:35,00
The owls and in the hearts and.
In the trees it's just amazing

1269
01:49:35,01 --> 01:49:40,79
our own. Used to have until the wind blew
two of them over we had two trees that

1270
01:49:40,80 --> 01:49:44,36
went up like that and
whether it was over or over

1271
01:49:44,37 --> 01:49:49,21
a roof and in watching those rafters every
single morning while we were having

1272
01:49:49,22 --> 01:49:56,20
breakfast and the like.
On the map the people who

1273
01:49:56,20 --> 01:50:01,61
talked about the current point of where
the erosion is and we when before we got

1274
01:50:01,61 --> 01:50:05,11
our home it just happened that I was.

1275
01:50:08,59 --> 01:50:12,37
Doing some work on my property
in seven hundred and had to have

1276
01:50:12,38 --> 01:50:17,36
a geologist and I asked him to come out and
talk to me and look rather overlook the

1277
01:50:17,37 --> 01:50:23,38
property before I bought my property and
he said basically you know Gary where you

1278
01:50:23,39 --> 01:50:26,64
are I have would have no
problem our house has

1279
01:50:26,65 --> 01:50:32,63
a big rock out in front of the fisherman
didn't generally fish off of. Him but.

1280
01:50:34,14 --> 01:50:40,06
As he said he is sure you can see
the cracks in the blood trail.

1281
01:50:41,28 --> 01:50:44,82
And I don't know how you're going to mitigate
that I honestly don't I'm not trained

1282
01:50:44,83 --> 01:50:46,95
to. Do I don't want to throw

1283
01:50:46,96 --> 01:50:51,13
a wet blanket on this because I am sure
you know one of what we got the notice of

1284
01:50:51,30 --> 01:50:57,29
that you were going to homes are going to
be built there we're disappointed I can't

1285
01:50:57,30 --> 01:51:00,66
say that we were against it because you
have the right your own property of the

1286
01:51:00,67 --> 01:51:07,47
right to build on but very but. We're
certainly disappointed that that

1287
01:51:07,48 --> 01:51:12,87
something is going to go in there and
change the character of the flavor of.

1288
01:51:14,30 --> 01:51:20,81
Our of our I mean I'm talking collectively
here all of our area because it's what

1289
01:51:20,82 --> 01:51:27,22
we have become accustomed to we
all know that change occurs but.

1290
01:51:32,04 --> 01:51:35,76
You know personally I would not like to
see anything changed but I know that

1291
01:51:35,77 --> 01:51:40,48
something's going to go there. You know
and I just hope that you take into

1292
01:51:40,49 --> 01:51:46,38
consideration especially sure of what it
is that there and try to work through

1293
01:51:46,39 --> 01:51:51,89
trying to really get your story your
players around thank you very much. Very.

1294
01:51:54,11 --> 01:51:58,83
Risky to come. From. You know.

1295
01:52:02,09 --> 01:52:08,15
Hi My name is Chris Lang and I live in
California and my speech I'm also the mosque

1296
01:52:08,16 --> 01:52:12,62
beach I'm a rep for the design review
committee but I am here speaking tonight as

1297
01:52:12,63 --> 01:52:19,06
a resident of my speech. I agree with
and support many Robert suggestions.

1298
01:52:23,42 --> 01:52:27,39
And I would like to see the project reduced
in the number of homes and it moved up

1299
01:52:27,40 --> 01:52:32,23
to value mark I'd also like you to
consider the design review standards which

1300
01:52:32,24 --> 01:52:38,76
dissuade three story structures along the
coast side and to pay attention to ways

1301
01:52:38,77 --> 01:52:45,10
to mitigate dark sky impacts I see that
some of the projects have beautiful walls

1302
01:52:45,11 --> 01:52:47,04
of glass which pose

1303
01:52:47,05 --> 01:52:53,72
a threat to birds and and could
potentially impact our much

1304
01:52:53,77 --> 01:53:00,48
beloved dark skies so. That

1305
01:53:01,29 --> 01:53:06,12
Thank you so much thanks Chris for. This
or anybody else that would like to make

1306
01:53:06,29 --> 01:53:11,87
a public comment at this time. OK Usually
we have county we are here I personally

1307
01:53:12,61 --> 01:53:12,73
know

1308
01:53:13,04 --> 01:53:19,83
a lot of civil. Rights charges
casket leaving Washington to also

1309
01:53:20,74 --> 01:53:26,81
I go down to the bluffs several times
a week sometimes at least once

1310
01:53:26,82 --> 01:53:30,48
a day. And when I went by and I saw

1311
01:53:30,49 --> 01:53:36,81
a sign indicating that there was property
development was going to be. CONSIDERED.

1312
01:53:37,91 --> 01:53:44,77
My heart sank this is one of the most
beautiful. Wonderful pieces of the

1313
01:53:44,78 --> 01:53:51,50
coast side and it's really
easily accessible to people. I

1314
01:53:51,58 --> 01:53:53,49
had assumed that this area was

1315
01:53:53,50 --> 01:53:57,69
a public land I thought it was part of
them are in the Fitzgerald Marine Reserve.

1316
01:53:58,89 --> 01:54:05,53
So it is it's just an emotional
reaction that I have

1317
01:54:06,13 --> 01:54:12,79
to seeing this possible property put
up so I will hope that. This can

1318
01:54:12,80 --> 01:54:18,29
be. You know reduced that it can be.

1319
01:54:21,14 --> 01:54:27,96
Held back. And you know. Well my best

1320
01:54:28,75 --> 01:54:33,40
hope would be that it be terminated but if
that can't be done that it be restricted

1321
01:54:33,41 --> 01:54:38,25
as much as possible. Everybody else
has come up here was really logical

1322
01:54:38,43 --> 01:54:45,30
explanations about habitat about the
animals about the the foliage and

1323
01:54:45,37 --> 01:54:49,58
everything. My reaction is just as a as

1324
01:54:49,59 --> 01:54:56,08
a resident of Moss Beach that I would
really hate to see this beautiful piece of

1325
01:54:56,09 --> 01:55:02,80
land removed from public access and
that's which is the way I see it and.

1326
01:55:03,89 --> 01:55:10,25
I hope that can happen thank you
thank you John. Anybody else.

1327
01:55:11,89 --> 01:55:18,60
And. And Forrester one additional
question given all of these

1328
01:55:18,61 --> 01:55:25,02
comments have you all considered
or talked to that open space

1329
01:55:25,03 --> 01:55:29,69
organization post land trusts
any organization like that.

1330
01:55:34,96 --> 01:55:39,40
OK. Anybody else OK Council
we are going to have

1331
01:55:39,41 --> 01:55:43,27
a letter to our colleagues who are in the
sky as leaders anybody on the council

1332
01:55:43,28 --> 01:55:43,67
want to make

1333
01:55:43,68 --> 01:55:52,70
a comment right now I will start
of that here. Right. Which

1334
01:55:52,71 --> 01:55:57,85
I have my own serious questions
and then I want to make

1335
01:55:58,32 --> 01:56:02,80
a comment so my first question is when so
with the gentleman that spoke earlier he

1336
01:56:02,81 --> 01:56:08,79
was explaining that he owns lots of B.
And G. And I am I correct in OK the N.G.

1337
01:56:09,38 --> 01:56:12,94
OK so the remaining lot
then which would be

1338
01:56:12,95 --> 01:56:18,92
a C D E N F. When number
of those purchased.

1339
01:56:20,17 --> 01:56:27,07
I'm assuming by you know. Oh OK So it's

1340
01:56:27,08 --> 01:56:32,27
a conglomeration of different
owners that OK. And is it

1341
01:56:32,28 --> 01:56:38,16
a matter of public record what those
individuals paid for the for the wrong land.

1342
01:56:39,63 --> 01:56:46,47
US danceable Yes OK. So I did so the
two comments I want to make are the

1343
01:56:46,48 --> 01:56:50,94
first is in two years on this council I
literally have never seen so many people

1344
01:56:50,95 --> 01:56:57,27
show up for an issue I mean this is Tszyu
Julie impactful and people are very

1345
01:56:58,01 --> 01:57:01,78
emotionally engaged in this issue that's
just I'm just going to kind of lay that

1346
01:57:01,79 --> 01:57:05,17
out there the second thing is that I can
tell you that I've only lived here for

1347
01:57:05,18 --> 01:57:08,69
four years I mean there are people who
have lived here for forty but I will tell

1348
01:57:08,70 --> 01:57:14,10
you when I'm going to China to get chopped
up that this area calls to people. Once

1349
01:57:14,11 --> 01:57:14,58
you've bought

1350
01:57:14,59 --> 01:57:20,37
a home here have it becomes part of your
heart you literally do not want to see the

1351
01:57:20,38 --> 01:57:20,99
reasons that

1352
01:57:21,00 --> 01:57:27,27
a call to you disappear. And that's just
what I want to say so I thank you thanks

1353
01:57:27,28 --> 01:57:34,27
every. Day. Yeah two things
I think in addition to the

1354
01:57:35,01 --> 01:57:37,19
R M C Z setback the O.C.P.

1355
01:57:37,20 --> 01:57:37,60
Requires

1356
01:57:37,61 --> 01:57:43,41
a setback of twenty five feet from the
trail. I don't know that considers the trail

1357
01:57:43,42 --> 01:57:48,43
movie timeline but I think that would
have to be some houses for their back the

1358
01:57:48,44 --> 01:57:52,91
other thing is geologically all through
that section of the coast there's

1359
01:57:52,92 --> 01:57:58,56
a layer of very and consolidated rock
almost mud when you walk the bluff line you

1360
01:57:58,57 --> 01:58:03,61
see water seeping out all over
the place. At that level it's

1361
01:58:03,62 --> 01:58:10,42
a very distinct line. If water is contained
on the property and it soaks into the

1362
01:58:10,43 --> 01:58:11,02
ground at

1363
01:58:11,03 --> 01:58:17,98
a higher rate would have run off you will
super saturated that layer of celery the

1364
01:58:17,98 --> 01:58:20,47
. Very concerned that.

1365
01:58:25,13 --> 01:58:31,75
It's anybody else on the yeah to have nice
ones they don't normally care for seven

1366
01:58:31,76 --> 01:58:37,84
years ago. So. Finding places like four.

1367
01:58:43,48 --> 01:58:49,81
Others. Like. That

1368
01:58:50,59 --> 01:58:56,49
I just wanted to add I forget who it was
that brought up. Some comments about the

1369
01:58:56,50 --> 01:59:00,58
community itself the people that really
diversity of the houses of all that kind of

1370
01:59:00,59 --> 01:59:04,15
thing I think that's important as one of
the things that really speaks to me is

1371
01:59:04,16 --> 01:59:09,25
that right now that whole neighborhood.
Is this is this is the verses you can get

1372
01:59:09,26 --> 01:59:13,82
around here there's people that are very
wealthy there are people that are not very

1373
01:59:13,83 --> 01:59:18,51
wealthy there are houses that are really
very modest or houses that are you know

1374
01:59:18,55 --> 01:59:23,57
very and modest. And I would you really
like that everybody kind of gets along

1375
01:59:23,58 --> 01:59:24,46
everybody has

1376
01:59:24,47 --> 01:59:30,34
a live and let live attitude and I would
really hate to see this become more of

1377
01:59:30,35 --> 01:59:36,61
a. Proscribed wealthy community I really
don't think that would do justice to the

1378
01:59:36,62 --> 01:59:43,10
people that are over here. He said Oh.

1379
01:59:44,66 --> 01:59:51,23
Yeah this one's. Just. This Korea

1380
01:59:51,66 --> 01:59:58,30
workshop this. Thing and this I
don't really buy this I have

1381
01:59:58,31 --> 02:00:05,30
appreciation to show.
Pictures so armory. It's

1382
02:00:05,31 --> 02:00:12,22
from the city. Just to keep up with the

1383
02:00:12,23 --> 02:00:18,99
actual people ask how. This site.

1384
02:00:20,78 --> 02:00:25,17
Wordy because now you. Know.

1385
02:00:28,38 --> 02:00:31,74
So that is coming on. And there are.

1386
02:00:35,39 --> 02:00:42,05
Not really. Those and still
and I have no one around

1387
02:00:42,94 --> 02:00:49,30
me you know with some. Distance
to stand on that's just silly.

1388
02:00:53,13 --> 02:00:58,15
Yes Thank you Lisa the next two items on
the agenda are. Very closely related to

1389
02:00:58,16 --> 02:01:00,60
this if not directly related or the M.C.C.

1390
02:01:00,61 --> 02:01:03,41
Proposed letter so. Is me if this is

1391
02:01:03,82 --> 02:01:08,53
a topic that interests you as I know it
does I highly recommend that you stick

1392
02:01:08,54 --> 02:01:11,65
around including that of the project
team I mean this could be very valuable

1393
02:01:11,66 --> 02:01:15,78
information please thanks for bringing
that up with the one cup is more than I

1394
02:01:15,79 --> 02:01:22,24
would like to come to step heartfelt thank
you to everybody who helped out and took

1395
02:01:22,25 --> 02:01:27,41
it kind of came out here tonight with me
I think it's so important and then I'll.

1396
02:01:28,54 --> 02:01:33,23
Thank you I would like to reiterate floors
comments thank you all for coming out

1397
02:01:33,27 --> 02:01:37,78
and also really I really really appreciate
respectful way we have the discussion

1398
02:01:37,79 --> 02:01:44,59
here I know I know this isn't good
emotional right sorry. For both sides but

1399
02:01:44,60 --> 02:01:50,26
really this is how I think things move
forward to an amicable solution My only

1400
02:01:50,27 --> 02:01:57,20
comment on this is. From the
coastal armoring report that is

1401
02:01:57,21 --> 02:02:01,25
part of the research project page forty
three it states the coast like states the

1402
02:02:01,26 --> 02:02:04,74
development should not be located where
it will have quote significant adverse

1403
02:02:04,75 --> 02:02:10,73
effects you're individually or cumulatively
cumulatively on coastal resources and I

1404
02:02:10,74 --> 02:02:17,46
think the human the only word there is
typically important. Course there's

1405
02:02:17,47 --> 02:02:21,26
already stuff developed up and down the
coast but the cumulative effect is we're

1406
02:02:21,27 --> 02:02:21,75
left with

1407
02:02:21,76 --> 02:02:28,41
a very small patch of. Coastal Prairie
that's not the project's teams fault but

1408
02:02:28,55 --> 02:02:33,36
that is the point of where we are right now
the erosion that has occurred thus far

1409
02:02:34,03 --> 02:02:39,21
and will occur into the future with sea
level rise and just natural wave action

1410
02:02:39,52 --> 02:02:39,73
that's

1411
02:02:39,74 --> 02:02:43,69
a cumulative effect it did it doesn't start
with this project it's been going on

1412
02:02:43,70 --> 02:02:44,38
but it is

1413
02:02:44,39 --> 02:02:49,88
a cumulative effect. The building I mean
on the entire two point three seven acres

1414
02:02:49,89 --> 02:02:55,22
with six trucks years that each individual
structure may be you know very beautiful

1415
02:02:55,23 --> 02:03:00,65
it's very nice but six directors of the
cumulative effect so my concern is the

1416
02:03:00,66 --> 02:03:06,80
humility of the fact all of these points
I've just mentioned in building on this on

1417
02:03:06,81 --> 02:03:13,72
the side that's just something to to
consider as we look at this site if

1418
02:03:14,28 --> 02:03:15,19
it's a gene elation of

1419
02:03:15,20 --> 02:03:20,44
a lot of different factors that are
necessarily specific to this project but this

1420
02:03:20,45 --> 02:03:25,87
project is now out there and it has to
absorb that if you look at history OK.

1421
02:03:28,30 --> 02:03:33,38
Dave would you like to do any kind of
wrap up comment on this you know how do

1422
02:03:33,39 --> 02:03:37,66
people how once you take Could you read or
write how people can get the the you're

1423
02:03:37,67 --> 02:03:40,97
right of this the right so there's

1424
02:03:40,98 --> 02:03:45,90
a list outside that I put there on I want
to put forward Oh please your name if you

1425
02:03:45,91 --> 02:03:49,83
prefer it by mail I will drop copies of the
letter that will produce probably about

1426
02:03:49,84 --> 02:03:50,40
the next week and

1427
02:03:50,41 --> 02:03:56,19
a half summarizing tonight comments. I'm
Doc of be mentioning names for everybody

1428
02:03:56,20 --> 02:04:00,38
who's spoken. But I'm going to
be mentioning all topics and

1429
02:04:00,39 --> 02:04:03,12
a lot of you centered on

1430
02:04:03,13 --> 02:04:08,27
a lot of the same topics so that'll be
reflected at your email I'm happy to save

1431
02:04:08,28 --> 02:04:14,90
the paper and send this to you know as many
people who provide the e-mail and then

1432
02:04:14,91 --> 02:04:21,56
at that point. I'm available for anybody
who's wondering so. What was the

1433
02:04:21,57 --> 02:04:28,21
applicant's next step because. I don't
know what their next step is what

1434
02:04:28,22 --> 02:04:30,94
typically occurs is there
is an application there is

1435
02:04:30,95 --> 02:04:35,06
a change deaf occasion there is exactly the
same application I don't know really be

1436
02:04:35,25 --> 02:04:40,75
over the years we've seen it go all sorts
of different ways but within any amount

1437
02:04:40,76 --> 02:04:45,17
of time any of you are free to email me
I can give you an update it might be I

1438
02:04:45,18 --> 02:04:50,87
don't know anything. But please feel free
to call or e-mail I'm good about getting

1439
02:04:50,88 --> 02:04:56,53
back to those and and we'll keep you all
informed of this process moves for so

1440
02:04:56,54 --> 02:05:03,45
thank you so much thank you Dave for coming
tonight but for county. Organizing Yes

1441
02:05:04,26 --> 02:05:08,74
we have also thank you to the house hence
you are attending and for just really.

1442
02:05:10,06 --> 02:05:16,80
Beneficial to all parties I believe. I
just want to say also that that document

1443
02:05:16,81 --> 02:05:19,41
will wind up on the Belmore
watch section of the M.C.C.

1444
02:05:19,45 --> 02:05:24,21
Website so if you don't want to receive
it. You can go there and it will be there

1445
02:05:24,22 --> 02:05:28,96
as well OK that concludes I don't believe
our regular agenda now we're going to go

1446
02:05:28,97 --> 02:05:33,81
to I don't see historical overview post or
news armoring to protect development in

1447
02:05:33,82 --> 02:05:40,65
the house he suggested. And for
anybody who's leaving it's Karl May

1448
02:05:40,66 --> 02:05:45,39
said we're looking at twenty to twenty five
foot swells coming in over the next two

1449
02:05:45,40 --> 02:05:51,49
days I watch it if you're anywhere near the
White House. And please sign my M.C.C.

1450
02:05:51,50 --> 02:05:58,35
Sign Also if you have not done that already
you do it when we go to the one of the

1451
02:05:58,36 --> 02:06:04,99
aisle out you can get in there you can
hear the really good they can turn it off

1452
02:06:05,00 --> 02:06:05,98
for a holiday get

1453
02:06:05,99 --> 02:06:11,90
a really good looking young lady take my
call everybody at least the caption I have

1454
02:06:11,90 --> 02:06:13,59
. More see.

1455
02:06:23,71 --> 02:06:30,66
So let's start with someone you're
so nice and you know. You just write

1456
02:06:30,92 --> 02:06:37,90
you say you know tell me tell you. The same
thing that within three years you know

1457
02:06:38,13 --> 02:06:43,84
you're like. Oh my oh I. Was.

1458
02:06:48,12 --> 02:06:53,59
So here's. Her restaurant you know.

1459
02:06:56,35 --> 02:06:59,00
The out.

1460
02:07:06,57 --> 02:07:11,94
Not. So. Common story our.

1461
02:07:13,78 --> 02:07:20,71
Stuff happens in seemingly
unexpected. Reaction. Times but

1462
02:07:20,77 --> 02:07:27,53
this piecemeal emergency.
Issues that we now know should.

1463
02:07:29,28 --> 02:07:34,76
Change. So there's

1464
02:07:34,77 --> 02:07:41,31
a. Curious thing. You
should there be no reserve.

1465
02:07:43,96 --> 02:07:50,31
Except for trucks there. So
this is thirty years old.

1466
02:07:52,12 --> 02:07:58,89
Given the permits. Thought was
going to happen. When it's are

1467
02:07:59,02 --> 02:08:05,74
falling apart which. You can see on the sea
of the shuttle. Any time you see these

1468
02:08:05,75 --> 02:08:09,51
rocks down. There they fell down.

1469
02:08:16,32 --> 02:08:21,53
Because the city OK so then moving down
the coast. Requires growth in our related

1470
02:08:21,54 --> 02:08:27,94
areas just means we sell them about work
love now this seventy two good shows that

1471
02:08:28,04 --> 02:08:33,09
we reported Road area was developed
before the coast like way back that whole

1472
02:08:33,10 --> 02:08:38,73
section there on the land. Fully armed
and happened in the sixty's or.

1473
02:08:41,30 --> 02:08:45,64
Above all over the years there's kind of
records where they've had to extension the

1474
02:08:45,98 --> 02:08:52,35
extensive repairs that have that army not
cheap and then they are really on the

1475
02:08:52,36 --> 02:08:57,91
right your picture was not yet developed
but it was seventy two that was it was

1476
02:08:57,92 --> 02:09:03,28
a merger of three subdivisions not a lot
line adjustment and it came out with

1477
02:09:03,79 --> 02:09:10,00
a. CD piece written on the shoreline and
they developed that cement now you can see

1478
02:09:10,07 --> 02:09:17,00
today that we come. Even though we have
seen it in the just build down seventy two

1479
02:09:17,28 --> 02:09:23,90
already have we did we are meant to
protect the house. And this is to

1480
02:09:23,91 --> 02:09:30,89
do of that section looking from being
really reserved beach access ramp we were.

1481
02:09:34,54 --> 02:09:39,27
OK that section this is just south of where
we just looked at Sunshine Valley you

1482
02:09:39,28 --> 02:09:45,52
see the red arrow there the top down
to the beach extras the reserve

1483
02:09:46,88 --> 02:09:52,60
prior to ninety three we went down that
actually stream to the you could walk north

1484
02:09:52,73 --> 02:09:59,35
and south and there was peach and natural
cliff and it was all there and now

1485
02:09:59,36 --> 02:10:03,87
because it was so he's the first
or remove the house there by

1486
02:10:03,88 --> 02:10:10,78
a ramp and then two other houses and three
houses Oh. Rocks all over the beach

1487
02:10:10,99 --> 02:10:16,39
houses goes on. You know when you when you
recount approvals it says right in there

1488
02:10:16,40 --> 02:10:20,09
is that all this will be good because it's
not going to it's not going to affect

1489
02:10:20,60 --> 02:10:26,98
the Jacksons but. Actually it
is so so and you stand there

1490
02:10:27,90 --> 02:10:34,50
and hardly you know or through taxes
on time when it's totally blocked it

1491
02:10:34,90 --> 02:10:41,64
is Mark my home with rocks and
everything else. That low

1492
02:10:41,65 --> 02:10:47,40
tide is still very difficult to go north
because these riffraff you know already

1493
02:10:47,41 --> 02:10:52,30
the route from this forward home over the
beach and so you have to work your way

1494
02:10:52,31 --> 02:10:53,53
through it it's not just

1495
02:10:53,54 --> 02:10:58,35
a city beach anymore you know it's probably
up to the army to be dealing next to

1496
02:10:58,36 --> 02:11:01,93
the beach or have this pointed out
a couple years ago that that was

1497
02:11:01,94 --> 02:11:05,89
a hazard because the boulders were just
perched precariously overhead we pointed

1498
02:11:05,90 --> 02:11:12,54
out the county parks and so they
put that sign. Up. On the Sago

1499
02:11:12,55 --> 02:11:17,35
rocks on the cliff. As far as I can tell
you just made provision to require the

1500
02:11:17,36 --> 02:11:24,22
people to fix their failure but
anyway there it is. The manager

1501
02:11:24,23 --> 02:11:28,79
here storehouse of a house in the
south here two thousand two there was

1502
02:11:28,80 --> 02:11:34,65
a sudden room in their home so they're
all. Worried the stead of farming is they

1503
02:11:34,70 --> 02:11:41,19
lose the House back to the now actually
really the House and. So that section is

1504
02:11:41,20 --> 02:11:42,96
still on her there's

1505
02:11:42,97 --> 02:11:49,74
a true story about the house but it's
different chapters to be offloaded in St now

1506
02:11:49,75 --> 02:11:54,37
so the house was there but it's been totally
and recognize when asked completely

1507
02:11:54,38 --> 02:11:58,96
rebuilt and this whole huge very big house
and we got the permit to do the very

1508
02:11:58,97 --> 02:12:00,17
behind us the code was

1509
02:12:00,18 --> 02:12:07,14
a few close calls said OK but that shall
not ever harm that. And we'll talk

1510
02:12:07,15 --> 02:12:14,14
about that when the work. Oh
say now down here to push too

1511
02:12:14,15 --> 02:12:18,61
hard this is you know just more proof
for a long hard so you can see

1512
02:12:18,62 --> 02:12:24,63
a ninety seven you know your four houses
along and they're not there now and I did

1513
02:12:25,13 --> 02:12:31,31
pretty sure they were all demolished taken
away hidden up on. The foundations here

1514
02:12:32,30 --> 02:12:38,89
that's a good. Plan Princeton.
So you know last August I hear

1515
02:12:38,94 --> 02:12:39,92
a lot of you have

1516
02:12:39,93 --> 02:12:44,72
a lot of instances of just illegal you
know carnage that just people just aren't

1517
02:12:45,02 --> 02:12:51,64
there their property and. The perfect
tree and see this really affects walking

1518
02:12:51,65 --> 02:12:55,78
along the beach you know you have to be
really took the time in your passage now

1519
02:12:55,79 --> 02:13:02,17
and that's not as to coming in from the
room and then the five year tour is

1520
02:13:02,18 --> 02:13:07,31
a unpermitted sea wall in the middle
Aachen princely you can see how it's all

1521
02:13:07,32 --> 02:13:12,35
undermined because this effect would do
harm or increase the road takes away the

1522
02:13:12,57 --> 02:13:19,44
church and it just makes
everything worse down in Colombia

1523
02:13:19,88 --> 02:13:25,99
so the bottom picture there that's the one
scan results of our money have painted

1524
02:13:26,21 --> 02:13:29,98
rocks or would be so even though they're
still saying to each their it's like what

1525
02:13:29,99 --> 02:13:36,23
can you do you know watch back when urgently
rots away. And then your picture shows

1526
02:13:36,24 --> 02:13:40,78
the effect of you know piecemeal armory
where basically the profit is armored then

1527
02:13:40,79 --> 02:13:43,56
ends up on a peninsula because of Excel or

1528
02:13:43,57 --> 02:13:50,57
a summary next to it. So the county's been
committing these projects right on the

1529
02:13:50,58 --> 02:13:57,33
shoreline it's. Clear of the warehouses
were permitted in the gutter C P M M N

1530
02:13:57,39 --> 02:14:04,32
ninety seven A Actually old ones and.
All those and so in the after picture

1531
02:14:04,33 --> 02:14:07,72
you can see they have you finished building
we can see there are no armory for

1532
02:14:07,74 --> 02:14:13,83
those but before they even finished
the bottom picture shows the sandbag

1533
02:14:13,83 --> 02:14:18,06
arrangement that they had put in here
then the right hand picture right in the

1534
02:14:18,07 --> 02:14:24,06
building was for but we can discover
later but what the difference is it was

1535
02:14:24,07 --> 02:14:28,03
appealed to the Coastal Commission and you
know they allowed the houses built there

1536
02:14:28,42 --> 02:14:32,11
they have the stupid restrictive
probation on new which are armored.

1537
02:14:35,21 --> 02:14:39,80
So this is what you'll get and it is far
more research shows we've got that Wonder

1538
02:14:39,84 --> 02:14:45,77
Woman Vassar there's the house under that
it must be yours to do proof buildings

1539
02:14:45,78 --> 02:14:50,34
and Princeton have to deal get in the three
hundred block and they have to say this

1540
02:14:50,35 --> 02:14:50,65
is just

1541
02:14:50,66 --> 02:14:56,47
a kind of incision of what it says the base
of the property others risk responsibility

1542
02:14:56,48 --> 02:15:02,81
where one building down the agreement
regarding all these coastal passers by are is

1543
02:15:02,82 --> 02:15:09,14
prohibited now good future if the development
is threatened by coastal passers this

1544
02:15:09,15 --> 02:15:14,72
would that would normally bring an
online response they shall remove. Their

1545
02:15:14,73 --> 02:15:20,43
development and if anybody falls to the
beach they need to clean it up and then

1546
02:15:20,44 --> 02:15:20,72
there is

1547
02:15:20,73 --> 02:15:27,36
a record dealer scription imposing these
issues on future owners and so. This is

1548
02:15:27,37 --> 02:15:31,61
what I've seen in the projects if an appeal
to the Coastal Commission is what they

1549
02:15:31,62 --> 02:15:37,65
can expect So the timing here but maybe
thing to do this recent Taisha not that

1550
02:15:37,66 --> 02:15:41,30
we're going to address all these issues
here tonight but it's things to think about

1551
02:15:41,31 --> 02:15:46,83
and the presentation will be on our
website but so here we have this project

1552
02:15:46,84 --> 02:15:48,87
looking at a new CD is it

1553
02:15:48,88 --> 02:15:54,01
a full loss and this is you know basically
did this area we've talked about this

1554
02:15:54,16 --> 02:16:00,57
close to prairie. But this section of
coastline the wave action near the suspect

1555
02:16:01,21 --> 02:16:08,01
and the fact that it's accessible. On
wheelchairs that's what so worries about it

1556
02:16:08,60 --> 02:16:14,79
if you were you you just can't you
know the way to protect this is to

1557
02:16:15,69 --> 02:16:22,66
room to retreat and as we treat the main
Warriors thirty one year old tree so

1558
02:16:22,70 --> 02:16:28,91
that's my presentation like to
say we're ready. To say it was.

1559
02:16:29,96 --> 02:16:35,19
OK I'm sorry just what does that council
have any clarifying questions really.

1560
02:16:38,15 --> 02:16:45,02
Questions for questions from the public
Barbara. STARR Because he must be tough two

1561
02:16:45,03 --> 02:16:51,92
questions one is there any move to
remove the illegal armoring and

1562
02:16:51,98 --> 02:16:56,49
to win the armoring falls
onto a beach and Mars

1563
02:16:56,50 --> 02:17:01,91
a beach does the property owner have any
responsibility to remove that rock from

1564
02:17:01,92 --> 02:17:08,20
the public beach. Somebody
in much the same if

1565
02:17:09,00 --> 02:17:15,21
not just to make it they can do it obviously
and that's going to be some agencies.

1566
02:17:17,07 --> 02:17:23,66
Clearly are going to slice their
force state down the legal route

1567
02:17:23,94 --> 02:17:30,61
instead. But one thing those missions
groups are rocks in front of. The.

1568
02:17:31,83 --> 02:17:35,81
Three hundred block which they did and
then they people from the other industry

1569
02:17:35,85 --> 02:17:39,69
came down about one of those rocks but I'm
proud of their voice I mean it's just.

1570
02:17:41,54 --> 02:17:46,62
That this is this topic I just from so
does tough for featuring like you know

1571
02:17:46,67 --> 02:17:49,40
what's to be done about the jury rigged up

1572
02:17:49,41 --> 02:17:56,39
a little bit sad. But complaints have
been made to the county about the river

1573
02:17:56,52 --> 02:18:01,04
so. It's. Better.

1574
02:18:04,20 --> 02:18:09,73
Questions but comments really good
presentation. Because this is an audience that

1575
02:18:10,04 --> 02:18:15,65
in large part hasn't heard me say this
before Campbell Joy who worked for us G.S.

1576
02:18:15,77 --> 02:18:19,89
I retired some years back but
he spent thirty years U.S.G.S.

1577
02:18:19,89 --> 02:18:25,91
. Studying coastal Roshan in
San Mateo County. He gave

1578
02:18:25,92 --> 02:18:28,91
a presentation sponsored by the M.C.C.

1579
02:18:28,92 --> 02:18:32,80
Over at the school I think
in ninety nine. Which I have

1580
02:18:33,29 --> 02:18:39,35
a recording of. And one of the things he
said there is coastal it when he said rip

1581
02:18:39,36 --> 02:18:46,16
rap always fails. And unless you
armor eleven hundred miles of the

1582
02:18:46,17 --> 02:18:50,37
California coastline which is where we're
headed if we don't just say no to the US

1583
02:18:51,32 --> 02:18:56,32
it fails at the ends because the the the
wave action comes in on the sides and

1584
02:18:56,36 --> 02:19:01,93
undermines it and it in the end just keep
deteriorating and so each property owner

1585
02:19:01,94 --> 02:19:07,77
next to the armoring wants to armor their
property and so that's why no armoring

1586
02:19:07,88 --> 02:19:11,25
should ever be allowed in and there is
precedent for the county ordering the

1587
02:19:11,26 --> 02:19:16,17
illegal arming of your roof the bed
and breakfast that was built in

1588
02:19:16,18 --> 02:19:20,06
a place that never should have been built
on at all on the marauder road that

1589
02:19:20,10 --> 02:19:26,41
a mediocre creek. The developer wanted to
put in Riff-Raff when he built it he was

1590
02:19:26,42 --> 02:19:30,75
told no you can never put in River
out he built it anyway and then

1591
02:19:31,12 --> 02:19:36,88
a couple of years later deliberately rip
rap to the banks of mediocre Creek the

1592
02:19:36,89 --> 02:19:39,83
county ordered and take it
out at his expense cost him

1593
02:19:39,84 --> 02:19:45,30
a ton of money so there is precedent but
the county is just loath to invoice any

1594
02:19:45,31 --> 02:19:48,49
environmental regulations
except on the small guy.

1595
02:19:52,18 --> 02:19:58,01
Yes. And that was in Half
Moon Bay at the at the.

1596
02:19:59,12 --> 02:20:02,35
Hotel to hotel Well it was

1597
02:20:02,36 --> 02:20:07,58
a it was voluntary knowing it was going
to be imposed but yes the owners of the

1598
02:20:08,10 --> 02:20:13,83
golf course voluntarily removed illegal rip
rap that had been put on the bluffs to

1599
02:20:13,84 --> 02:20:18,89
protect the golf course in front of the
Ritz Carlton. But they were they knew they

1600
02:20:18,90 --> 02:20:22,76
were going to have have to do it that they
jumped out and did the right thing which

1601
02:20:22,77 --> 02:20:28,36
is to their credit so they've it's gone
and that life is going to continue rather

1602
02:20:28,37 --> 02:20:33,40
you can see if you look at the club California
close to records pictures or I think

1603
02:20:33,41 --> 02:20:38,09
you can also see it from the bluffs but the
emerging foundations of the hotel that

1604
02:20:38,10 --> 02:20:42,94
was the foundations were put in in one
nine hundred seventy two. To avoid it in

1605
02:20:42,95 --> 02:20:45,07
order to best the right to build

1606
02:20:45,08 --> 02:20:49,59
a hotel they put it close to the bluffs
and where they put those foundations are

1607
02:20:49,60 --> 02:20:53,70
now. Emerging. Like

1608
02:20:53,71 --> 02:20:59,07
a second get the drill from the bluffs.
So those I don't know will happen

1609
02:20:59,08 --> 02:21:03,64
eventually but those will collapse those
old concrete piers that are harder than

1610
02:21:03,65 --> 02:21:09,49
the surrounding soil. Did the beach home
and while the next person is coming up

1611
02:21:09,53 --> 02:21:15,78
Lisa put the California Coastal armory
reporting point Dean up on the front page of

1612
02:21:15,79 --> 02:21:16,48
the M.C.C.

1613
02:21:16,49 --> 02:21:22,28
Website and it makes the same point and
cites the studies that Leonard made about

1614
02:21:23,05 --> 02:21:27,10
concert you were in for there was also
knowledge during this river speech emergency

1615
02:21:27,11 --> 02:21:33,75
repair discussions with that was going to
make modern West Aster I just think that

1616
02:21:33,88 --> 02:21:38,93
basically the permit that work is going on
for speech now because Commission permit

1617
02:21:39,07 --> 02:21:39,20
is

1618
02:21:39,21 --> 02:21:45,38
a temporary armory for ten years while they
get their Calvin's time to figure out what

1619
02:21:45,39 --> 02:21:50,06
they can do. Stuff at least so that was

1620
02:21:50,07 --> 02:21:55,90
a great presentation thank you I'm
so glad that I stayed and another

1621
02:21:56,88 --> 02:22:00,98
random thought came to me after sitting
here and looking at all this information

1622
02:22:00,99 --> 02:22:06,71
that the project team may or may not
have considered get and that is and.

1623
02:22:08,33 --> 02:22:14,32
Seismic activity. I know that there are
fault lines in the silk of area of my

1624
02:22:14,33 --> 02:22:19,00
speech I've also looked at the maps of
fault lines underwater and there are quite

1625
02:22:19,01 --> 02:22:24,32
a few in this area it is often kept me awake
late at night when I felt tremors and

1626
02:22:24,33 --> 02:22:28,100
then worried about my five year old twins
sleeping on the ground floor of our house

1627
02:22:29,01 --> 02:22:33,67
cape could we get out in time what kind
of you know tsunami might might hit this

1628
02:22:33,68 --> 02:22:38,29
area and I don't know if that's anything
you've considered looking at but for

1629
02:22:38,30 --> 02:22:43,58
a future meeting. With the house Oh yes.

1630
02:22:47,61 --> 02:22:54,40
Lest anybody get too complacent
about the power of logic and. Good

1631
02:22:54,41 --> 02:22:58,52
government to take care of these things
I'd like to point out that I've been the

1632
02:22:58,53 --> 02:23:02,15
last couple of years down in La Jolla on

1633
02:23:02,16 --> 02:23:09,10
a beach and this was fought heavily by
the surf writer. Folks but. An eroding

1634
02:23:09,11 --> 02:23:15,21
bluff in La Jolla did not have any kind
of right to have armoring put at its base

1635
02:23:15,52 --> 02:23:20,69
got to where it was threatening some very
expensive homes at the bluff top again

1636
02:23:20,70 --> 02:23:25,65
with million dollar views and so forth and
the Coastal Commission caved on it and

1637
02:23:25,66 --> 02:23:32,26
let them put in the armory so.
You can almost although this is

1638
02:23:32,27 --> 02:23:37,08
a very different situation the bluff isn't
as high here you get some expensive

1639
02:23:37,09 --> 02:23:38,66
homes in there with people who have

1640
02:23:38,67 --> 02:23:44,06
a little influence in the right places
and so forth and you can see the.

1641
02:23:45,59 --> 02:23:50,91
It's incidents like lawyer you can see
somebody pushing for some armoring or

1642
02:23:51,04 --> 02:23:53,79
whatever cementing the
bluffs or something here.

1643
02:23:58,67 --> 02:24:00,79
It's anybody else like would
anybody else like to make

1644
02:24:00,80 --> 02:24:06,14
a comment on this side of the agenda OK
Lisa thank you very much on this very

1645
02:24:06,15 --> 02:24:11,59
informative OK we're now going to move God
to deep which is consideration of C.C.

1646
02:24:11,60 --> 02:24:17,01
Comments on the proposed development of
six houses on Palomar So you how I did

1647
02:24:17,02 --> 02:24:18,84
between but this is an M.C.C.

1648
02:24:19,14 --> 02:24:25,91
Comment letter on this development project
we said you want to start so I just want

1649
02:24:26,00 --> 02:24:30,94
to see this I think what we said in the
letter. So this is that most of them say

1650
02:24:31,03 --> 02:24:37,85
it's we can come down there.
Basically. The council doesn't

1651
02:24:37,86 --> 02:24:43,73
have staff so somebody has got to do research
and the staff before give me letters

1652
02:24:43,74 --> 02:24:48,93
and I got so this is what I produce and
basically as you can see on the page not

1653
02:24:48,94 --> 02:24:55,86
a lot. Of miles documents from other
historical projects and what you find about

1654
02:24:55,87 --> 02:25:02,84
all this and. With when you Robert's on
that you have to meet with the neighbors

1655
02:25:02,99 --> 02:25:08,82
and talk about these things and so basically
drawing from all that is right here

1656
02:25:08,83 --> 02:25:14,24
tonight you know it's just not
this is the issues basically.

1657
02:25:15,77 --> 02:25:21,38
Take the sins of habitats close to
very far now he said in future and.

1658
02:25:24,19 --> 02:25:30,42
Make sure the coastal trios maintain through
the provision of loonies and avoid.

1659
02:25:32,86 --> 02:25:39,49
The concerns about water problems most do
it. From runoff and I'm sure he simply is

1660
02:25:39,50 --> 02:25:46,17
about status and. Then you know
you do. Cover this issue of the

1661
02:25:46,18 --> 02:25:51,88
parcel of county because it's sort of
the elephant in the room here. Whether

1662
02:25:51,89 --> 02:25:58,82
there's legal recourse in the state or
in your I don't know. Optimally in what

1663
02:25:58,87 --> 02:26:05,73
we have here there are ground. Terribly.
Overs to configure in reducing

1664
02:26:06,10 --> 02:26:08,34
parcels then that would be

1665
02:26:08,35 --> 02:26:13,55
a way for us such as I know you would see
how we can rest assured that that's just

1666
02:26:13,56 --> 02:26:19,97
about. Free Does anybody on the council
have any clarifying questions to

1667
02:26:20,77 --> 02:26:27,74
bring up with regard to the
sweater. Could be. Sure. We

1668
02:26:27,75 --> 02:26:32,64
said I just want to thank you for the
incredible amount of work that you put into

1669
02:26:32,65 --> 02:26:37,89
this I would not even want to add up
the hours. In just many Thank you.

1670
02:26:39,72 --> 02:26:44,79
You know. Does anybody from
the public want to make

1671
02:26:44,80 --> 02:26:50,64
a comment on this letter.
OK All right something.

1672
02:26:51,94 --> 02:26:56,44
Anybody else on the council CARICOM or
yes actually would like to comment on

1673
02:26:56,83 --> 02:26:59,44
presence down because I
thought that time there is

1674
02:26:59,46 --> 02:27:03,19
a sentence that you had included on one
of your slides that I actually would like

1675
02:27:03,19 --> 02:27:07,40
to see incorporated into the letter and
so I can read that just real quickly the

1676
02:27:07,40 --> 02:27:10,90
only way to save this beautiful shoreline
is to give it plenty of space and allow

1677
02:27:10,90 --> 02:27:17,53
it to retreat naturally I think that
that's really eloquently put and I would

1678
02:27:17,54 --> 02:27:24,29
really like to see that added
to this letter. Well you have

1679
02:27:24,30 --> 02:27:30,03
something you can live with that. Yes that's
what you're doing is it your life just

1680
02:27:30,04 --> 02:27:37,01
the font size or. I mean I think that
I think that that's so it's kind of

1681
02:27:37,02 --> 02:27:40,02
says it all so it's an
excellent point it's

1682
02:27:40,03 --> 02:27:46,63
a beautiful line I like the
sentiment for sure and so. Yes.

1683
02:27:48,08 --> 02:27:51,91
I'm glad you like the sentiment and you
know it stays there just like just think

1684
02:27:51,92 --> 02:27:57,94
that the splitter. You know you're right
the semester started with the key issue.

1685
02:27:59,29 --> 02:28:05,41
It was more. You know. This is what. You.

1686
02:28:06,69 --> 02:28:13,08
Know I really. Worry But this is going
to the play. And this is what they were

1687
02:28:13,09 --> 02:28:17,78
going to have to follow
policies whether he said.

1688
02:28:20,51 --> 02:28:27,35
Satisfy or not. For what
they were but I argue that

1689
02:28:27,36 --> 02:28:30,30
based on what people said here tonight I
mean if we're supposed to be the voice of

1690
02:28:30,31 --> 02:28:35,58
the community I think it's important to
include some emotional statements and so I

1691
02:28:35,59 --> 02:28:41,23
would I'm not saying that what you have
here isn't relevant but by the same token

1692
02:28:41,69 --> 02:28:45,66
planner sitting in his office or her
office looking this over I also think it's

1693
02:28:45,67 --> 02:28:50,16
important to include the are clearly the
emotional investment that the community

1694
02:28:50,17 --> 02:28:51,99
has in this issue so.

1695
02:29:00,97 --> 02:29:07,70
I can do looking at you. Know
I think. You know if I'm

1696
02:29:07,74 --> 02:29:14,05
sorry to come on this kind of
thing. This is there there is.

1697
02:29:16,18 --> 02:29:17,08
Something there is

1698
02:29:17,09 --> 02:29:25,07
a. Person. Somewhere somebody. What's

1699
02:29:25,54 --> 02:29:30,69
the nice to do more than just. His
son I'm not really sure how does.

1700
02:29:32,76 --> 02:29:39,61
This equate You know I do want
to stress. That. The couple was

1701
02:29:40,11 --> 02:29:45,19
posing. For everybody you could lose.

1702
02:29:48,67 --> 02:29:55,31
Their house but you checked that
back sure they will have you sent

1703
02:29:55,36 --> 02:30:01,26
this far. I mean you know I think
you'll be better for everybody.

1704
02:30:07,90 --> 02:30:13,72
And he'll. Say. To you.

1705
02:30:15,17 --> 02:30:18,71
In. The park I have

1706
02:30:18,72 --> 02:30:25,17
a problem with the site motion which
I don't have. The only way because

1707
02:30:25,77 --> 02:30:29,99
the rest of this is comments. That Serve

1708
02:30:29,100 --> 02:30:33,36
a prescriptive statement
that I don't know the facts.

1709
02:30:39,56 --> 02:30:45,16
OK Dan do you have any comments on this
OK or are you already made with the you

1710
02:30:45,17 --> 02:30:51,60
just don't know I don't. Know OK. It does
not appear that there is enough support

1711
02:30:51,61 --> 02:30:57,52
to overweight bilk you
know. The closer to my.

1712
02:30:59,80 --> 02:31:03,20
Start I really want to get to
this group so I saw at least

1713
02:31:03,21 --> 02:31:09,24
a great job as always but. There's no
mention of the fact that there will be no

1714
02:31:09,25 --> 02:31:15,91
sort sewer service and I think that is
really important. I don't know if it's

1715
02:31:15,92 --> 02:31:17,31
something the F.C.C.

1716
02:31:17,32 --> 02:31:22,32
Has to do or it's you get you got to wait
until Sam has to respond to that you know

1717
02:31:22,33 --> 02:31:27,08
I don't know what the process procedure is
but it seems to me if you're planning to

1718
02:31:27,09 --> 02:31:32,05
build and you have sort of service
on the floor of the site.

1719
02:31:34,02 --> 02:31:34,60
I'm just at

1720
02:31:34,61 --> 02:31:39,46
a loss of lives I don't I don't know
how it can be done so this is just

1721
02:31:39,47 --> 02:31:41,70
a plan to realize that that's in the J.P.

1722
02:31:42,21 --> 02:31:44,44
That their county has to be held to

1723
02:31:44,45 --> 02:31:51,18
a. Point they'll say. Yeah
I want to check out Lisa

1724
02:31:51,58 --> 02:31:58,15
I think that that issue should be left to
restoring the cemetery districts and like

1725
02:31:58,16 --> 02:32:04,72
to say that the letter is not comprehensive
it's it's one person did you know we

1726
02:32:04,85 --> 02:32:10,81
were to have the first policy letter it
ain't going to happen this fast. But. When

1727
02:32:10,82 --> 02:32:16,50
the application goes then copy goes to mind
here is here Kerry saying that will be

1728
02:32:16,51 --> 02:32:18,63
here their chance to say yes sure.

1729
02:32:26,52 --> 02:32:29,21
Getting Terrance comment here sometimes

1730
02:32:29,22 --> 02:32:34,22
a more subjective kind of statement like
that that doesn't really fit with the

1731
02:32:34,31 --> 02:32:41,17
inside of policy two sixteen A. Can be
made during advisory committee to the

1732
02:32:41,18 --> 02:32:47,90
county and advising them on. Our
community's beliefs about things

1733
02:32:48,14 --> 02:32:50,19
so you can sometimes maybe think about

1734
02:32:50,24 --> 02:32:56,44
a bulleted point saying it is the just or
something like that of community sentence

1735
02:32:56,45 --> 02:32:59,08
as evidence that public
meeting at such and such

1736
02:32:59,09 --> 02:33:04,85
a time that and then stick
in her car something along.

1737
02:33:07,92 --> 02:33:13,85
These lines. Are compiled by
Dave Holbrook and not in this

1738
02:33:14,71 --> 02:33:21,41
sort of subject header kind of thing
and so it's not relevant to those.

1739
02:33:24,35 --> 02:33:30,99
Issues here. But he has he's under no

1740
02:33:31,00 --> 02:33:35,60
obligation to convey any of the emotional
tone that he wants comments while he well

1741
02:33:35,93 --> 02:33:41,39
if it isn't if there was some way to put
in here that this is our sense of the

1742
02:33:41,40 --> 02:33:45,33
Committee of the community's
sense is that this is

1743
02:33:45,34 --> 02:33:50,49
a very important. Topic to the community
I mean I'm not saying you're right but

1744
02:33:50,68 --> 02:33:57,05
just some some expression of the importance
socially and emotionally of this topic

1745
02:33:57,06 --> 02:33:59,72
to the community how about how about

1746
02:33:59,78 --> 02:34:03,09
a sentence to the effect
that the council has heard

1747
02:34:03,10 --> 02:34:09,67
a very strong expression of community
sentiment that this isn't working and

1748
02:34:09,97 --> 02:34:16,63
precious open space.
Cyclist touched the last

1749
02:34:16,64 --> 02:34:21,82
wife. Well here's what I think we know I'm
not kidding you know the night she died

1750
02:34:22,17 --> 02:34:27,53
which was by far just one would come from
the air like just pictured on our love

1751
02:34:27,86 --> 02:34:33,46
and it says the only way to say for sure
is to give place space to mark three such

1752
02:34:33,47 --> 02:34:40,24
that we would never start. It if you
leave out the word ONLY I'll be happy

1753
02:34:40,44 --> 02:34:47,27
for you guys go the right. Way. The
only way to see this beautiful movie.

1754
02:34:48,31 --> 02:34:53,94
Yeah I mean. I could say you guys can
go right yeah I mean I Dave makes

1755
02:34:53,95 --> 02:34:54,89
a good point only is

1756
02:34:54,90 --> 02:34:59,63
a strong word it may not be the only although
we may or may not agree with that it

1757
02:34:59,64 --> 02:34:59,83
is

1758
02:34:59,84 --> 02:35:04,84
a strong word Actually I understand you say
the community feels I think it's just true

1759
02:35:04,85 --> 02:35:11,57
statement conveys you know.
What anybody like to make

1760
02:35:11,58 --> 02:35:17,46
a motion on this letter.
Well before we make

1761
02:35:17,47 --> 02:35:22,46
a motion to just anybody I think think the
sense of the council once we'd like to

1762
02:35:22,47 --> 02:35:28,17
amend it that sounds which come up with
were before I thought this is just like I

1763
02:35:28,18 --> 02:35:33,36
mean about actually does the rest of
the council we just right. Now make

1764
02:35:33,37 --> 02:35:40,04
a motion that we approve this letter
as drafted where the decision the

1765
02:35:40,05 --> 02:35:45,25
sentence from reason was right in saying
that the sentence I want to attach the sly

1766
02:35:45,76 --> 02:35:52,25
with the sentence as attached to. That with
first comes from that's what I meant no

1767
02:35:52,30 --> 02:35:57,43
it is not you know oh come having
been on the council couple of times.

1768
02:35:59,22 --> 02:36:04,46
In my opinion I believe least explained it
pretty well in terms of the plan or the

1769
02:36:04,47 --> 02:36:10,07
plan or with here and heard the plan that
he will have that already documented and

1770
02:36:10,15 --> 02:36:11,03
this is

1771
02:36:11,04 --> 02:36:17,20
a separate document. Pointing out to
specifics and I don't see how it can impact

1772
02:36:17,21 --> 02:36:19,87
that and I don't think I
think that it should go as

1773
02:36:19,88 --> 02:36:23,97
a fear and I think it would be kind of
silly to be I mean if you're trying to

1774
02:36:23,98 --> 02:36:29,55
aggressively the issues but attacking aside
what have you. I believe that the way

1775
02:36:29,56 --> 02:36:34,54
it stands is one page in full that is it's
conveying information it's not intended

1776
02:36:34,55 --> 02:36:38,59
to convey something but certain in this
part of the information that we want to

1777
02:36:38,60 --> 02:36:45,57
convey I think I'm going to come from another
place while we. Have what I think we

1778
02:36:45,58 --> 02:36:52,37
hosted. Robert or I think people are
trying to say that the council has

1779
02:36:52,38 --> 02:36:52,70
seen

1780
02:36:52,71 --> 02:36:58,54
a strong expression of the community center
and today Polk is just going to summarize

1781
02:36:58,55 --> 02:37:04,09
the points we want the council's
time to reflect very strong.

1782
02:37:05,93 --> 02:37:10,51
And I think that's what Carl is saying I
think Aaron Claire's then yeah I do agree

1783
02:37:10,52 --> 02:37:16,07
with that sentiment it would be good if
it could be rooted in the darkness of our

1784
02:37:16,11 --> 02:37:23,08
dog. Just. Started this.
Person had some sense

1785
02:37:23,46 --> 02:37:26,46
this isn't going to suddenly
get in the house or

1786
02:37:26,86 --> 02:37:33,73
a letter. Let's do this timely. Back

1787
02:37:34,33 --> 02:37:38,51
to do that and it's a challenge
because we haven't had

1788
02:37:38,52 --> 02:37:41,31
a meeting and said You know
I have got the letter and.

1789
02:37:45,76 --> 02:37:52,49
Make it it's really. Not I I just you
know I have yet to confirm it you

1790
02:37:52,53 --> 02:37:59,32
just never get there by so there's that.
If I'm getting told that no no no you

1791
02:37:59,33 --> 02:38:04,45
meant it when you're going over to you miss
it it's very frustrating to me you know

1792
02:38:04,46 --> 02:38:11,13
maybe some probably say that but there
it is pointed out many times I'm

1793
02:38:11,14 --> 02:38:14,35
sorry first not sorry to go
back and I restate this is

1794
02:38:14,36 --> 02:38:20,73
a discussion. I was one of the people who
was a little concerned about putting out

1795
02:38:20,74 --> 02:38:27,41
a letter right after the pre-op comments.
It's been pointed out many times that

1796
02:38:28,06 --> 02:38:33,91
the graph writer can be amended to read and
I think this is one case where there's

1797
02:38:34,39 --> 02:38:40,77
a pretty strong. And I don't think we're
weakening the way things are straight.

1798
02:38:43,53 --> 02:38:48,85
I would prefer rather to
just lie just say. But.

1799
02:38:54,29 --> 02:38:59,92
Even though you're the one gram in the
whole councils and. Voting system.

1800
02:39:01,24 --> 02:39:07,42
I think it's pretty strong said Councillor
one. She wore an emotional sense of

1801
02:39:07,61 --> 02:39:11,47
somewhere you might not
necessarily our little sense

1802
02:39:11,48 --> 02:39:17,50
a sense that conveys the emotion
of our time so here's where you.

1803
02:39:19,09 --> 02:39:25,00
Can just see you are doing my
part don't you like me that.

1804
02:39:26,21 --> 02:39:33,02
You. Are. Calling us from

1805
02:39:33,03 --> 02:39:33,22
X.

1806
02:39:33,23 --> 02:39:40,48
Number oh. This is it's late this
week I might try try again is

1807
02:39:40,49 --> 02:39:46,07
worried and I'm finally moving out
of the way. Has this person bring

1808
02:39:46,08 --> 02:39:53,01
a letter for me that. I
would sense and hear. Hear

1809
02:39:53,02 --> 02:39:53,96
years expressed

1810
02:39:54,25 --> 02:40:05,79
a strong desire. Three. Times

1811
02:40:05,80 --> 02:40:06,16
asking

1812
02:40:06,26 --> 02:40:10,48
a question on procedure yourself all right
second thoughts and at least read it

1813
02:40:10,49 --> 02:40:17,48
back and make sure he's got. The.

1814
02:40:19,20 --> 02:40:23,27
Community here and I will be right you have
the right yeah community existed in the

1815
02:40:23,38 --> 02:40:26,04
first Marion County the Council has heard

1816
02:40:26,05 --> 02:40:32,83
a strong expression here. Nobody else

1817
02:40:32,84 --> 02:40:33,48
counter with

1818
02:40:33,49 --> 02:40:40,14
a council house and he has restaurants
and some unions he got some strong

1819
02:40:40,15 --> 02:40:45,16
desire to preserve his hear what he tells
her during the open space as open today

1820
02:40:45,20 --> 02:40:50,73
just over the future for the office thinks
character of hearing about yours. I

1821
02:40:50,74 --> 02:40:56,95
didn't get I didn't get that I get this
oh yeah that would be nice but clearly if

1822
02:40:57,15 --> 02:41:02,95
you know anything you got fired before you
knew that oh you can't just talk to him

1823
02:41:03,35 --> 02:41:08,33
well but you have him in your reaction let
me finish right here lots on purpose to

1824
02:41:08,34 --> 02:41:15,11
compromise and I say this this
here on the prairie the cliff trio

1825
02:41:15,15 --> 02:41:21,86
these are your say let's figure out ways
to do that house to Fionn No I did not

1826
02:41:21,87 --> 02:41:24,44
hear you just I'm not hearing that is

1827
02:41:24,45 --> 02:41:31,12
a consensus of higher instead
of this area. Well let me

1828
02:41:31,62 --> 02:41:38,47
let me jump in and this is the problem
with trying to amend the letter on the fly

1829
02:41:38,79 --> 02:41:42,58
in real time OK we're trying to work
out language and we're coming up with

1830
02:41:42,59 --> 02:41:49,26
a language that that I agree
with Lisa on this I did not hear

1831
02:41:49,32 --> 02:41:53,72
a unanimous call for leaving
it as open space I heard

1832
02:41:53,73 --> 02:41:56,94
a lot of sentiment about how much
people love it but I also heard

1833
02:41:56,95 --> 02:42:03,60
a lot of discussion of compromising
maybe less less structures so

1834
02:42:03,87 --> 02:42:07,13
this is the problem with attaching something
at the end especially something with

1835
02:42:07,14 --> 02:42:12,46
that emotional component of what lead the
letter that Lisa has written is fact fact

1836
02:42:12,47 --> 02:42:18,15
fact fact fact side inside inside and it
that's that's kind of the tenor that the

1837
02:42:18,16 --> 02:42:24,83
letter is intended to have in my understanding
of of how lease approach it and it's

1838
02:42:24,84 --> 02:42:28,01
the feeling that I would like to have
this letter to I understand we want to

1839
02:42:28,02 --> 02:42:31,61
capture the emotional and make sure that
people understand how much this means to

1840
02:42:31,62 --> 02:42:36,94
people however. We we are now getting
into the weeds of like how do you

1841
02:42:36,95 --> 02:42:41,20
specifically work that so it actually
accurately captures what happens here tonight

1842
02:42:41,44 --> 02:42:48,26
without injecting emotion into it so after
and again I appreciate the discussion

1843
02:42:48,27 --> 02:42:51,35
this is the kind of discussion
we are here to have about

1844
02:42:51,36 --> 02:42:57,64
a letter like this after hearing this
discussion my feeling is I'm now back to my

1845
02:42:57,65 --> 02:43:03,31
feeling is I support this letter as it is
for the purposes that it was written to

1846
02:43:03,32 --> 02:43:05,47
serve which is laying out

1847
02:43:05,48 --> 02:43:11,91
a specific fact based set of arguments
or an argument that is fact based and

1848
02:43:12,40 --> 02:43:14,38
letting the emotion have

1849
02:43:14,39 --> 02:43:19,64
a different arena it was heard here tonight
it's on video it's in the minutes and

1850
02:43:19,65 --> 02:43:20,13
it will be in

1851
02:43:20,17 --> 02:43:25,88
a whole works letter as well as his
consciousness so personally I don't support

1852
02:43:25,89 --> 02:43:32,70
amending this letter. I'd just like to
point out I think it's here this is the

1853
02:43:32,71 --> 02:43:39,20
main thing he wants to hear and he sees
this and he has heard people say this.

1854
02:43:40,33 --> 02:43:47,16
So this is our goal here.
Listening soffit and I think this

1855
02:43:47,44 --> 02:43:51,66
we ask in this letter
is there with me it's

1856
02:43:51,67 --> 02:43:57,98
a long sentence but requiring and reducing
parcels locating houses along with

1857
02:43:58,18 --> 02:44:04,22
a moment your ciphers and permanently
protecting sensitive habitats public true

1858
02:44:05,03 --> 02:44:08,91
love true area through force
of the restrictions of just

1859
02:44:08,92 --> 02:44:15,20
a. Little law and changes you
see the problem now. Bruce.

1860
02:44:17,50 --> 02:44:24,20
I don't place. I think when you want to
know these information it's time to do

1861
02:44:24,21 --> 02:44:29,89
next. Like in the commotion prove
were written I will second.

1862
02:44:31,00 --> 02:44:35,36
One Hold that thought for one second
please so Parliament we parliamentary

1863
02:44:35,37 --> 02:44:40,53
procedure is not my specialty
but do we can we propose

1864
02:44:40,54 --> 02:44:46,69
a secondary second motion sitting
conker early with the first one that.

1865
02:44:47,87 --> 02:44:53,23
Asked that the letter be amended and and
have those to own it out on the second to

1866
02:44:53,23 --> 02:44:56,02
. Do it for.

1867
02:45:02,68 --> 02:45:08,93
You. In your vision book and normally can
also if you can amend the motion but in

1868
02:45:08,94 --> 02:45:13,13
this case it doesn't make sense to
rush to come on audience members

1869
02:45:13,14 --> 02:45:17,70
a certain parliamentary procedure so I will
withdraw my original motion the case we

1870
02:45:17,71 --> 02:45:17,84
have

1871
02:45:17,85 --> 02:45:23,48
a motion on the table that's the second in
to prove the letter as is. OK Let's take

1872
02:45:23,49 --> 02:45:29,06
a vote on the motion is to approve
the letter. Currently written.

1873
02:45:33,36 --> 02:45:39,95
All in favor OK OK Let me just count me
just count heads up please one two six

1874
02:45:39,99 --> 02:45:46,68
six yes and one after one have said OK
six zero one to prove this letter was

1875
02:45:46,69 --> 02:45:50,43
written thank you so we should that thank
you Council for discussing this really I

1876
02:45:50,44 --> 02:45:54,05
mean I feel like this is part of why we're
here is to have this discussion what is

1877
02:45:54,06 --> 02:45:57,80
the letter what are we trying to do
with the audience that I think that was

1878
02:45:57,81 --> 02:46:04,03
a successful exercise. OK. No I think.

1879
02:46:08,100 --> 02:46:10,94
It. Is.

1880
02:46:16,86 --> 02:46:22,58
Really really. Very thoughtful.

1881
02:46:25,54 --> 02:46:30,94
Thank you and making the right we'll be
looking forward to hearing OK she's. OK We

1882
02:46:30,95 --> 02:46:37,71
have one more item on the
agenda. This is. The item is

1883
02:46:37,72 --> 02:46:38,28
M.C.C.

1884
02:46:38,29 --> 02:46:42,82
Support for county grap grant application
which is do this every teen So we're

1885
02:46:42,83 --> 02:46:48,63
really on target trench here for five
five hundred seventy thousand dollars for

1886
02:46:48,64 --> 02:46:50,31
design through construction of

1887
02:46:50,32 --> 02:46:56,72
a pedestrian crossing at. My Terre
lighthouse and sixteenth Street.

1888
02:46:58,29 --> 02:47:02,19
So this is supposed to get was designed and
he was not able to make tonight I will

1889
02:47:03,15 --> 02:47:08,16
carry through his best as possible the
county recently learned that the crossing at

1890
02:47:08,17 --> 02:47:12,18
sixteenth Street with the flashing beacon
could not be included in the current

1891
02:47:12,19 --> 02:47:18,14
congestion and safety improvement project
that we've been working on Word years it

1892
02:47:18,46 --> 02:47:25,08
specially in the last couple of years so
that project is not eligible that crossing

1893
02:47:25,63 --> 02:47:32,57
it that design is not eligible for that
project however Nicholas has discovered

1894
02:47:32,58 --> 02:47:38,17
and been able to find five hundred seventeen
thousand dollars that we can get to

1895
02:47:38,18 --> 02:47:44,61
specifically put in this pedestrian
crossing at the White House. The desired

1896
02:47:44,62 --> 02:47:47,60
outcome of this agenda item
is to authorize the M.C.C.

1897
02:47:47,61 --> 02:47:49,22
Chair to write and submit

1898
02:47:49,23 --> 02:47:54,68
a letter of support for the grant application.
One second letter I'm just going to

1899
02:47:54,69 --> 02:48:01,21
be upfront say this is about I'm about
all I know about this. That I have some

1900
02:48:01,22 --> 02:48:04,82
questions Nicholas is not here to
answer I've been assured that this is

1901
02:48:04,83 --> 02:48:06,43
a pretty straightforward thing if it's

1902
02:48:06,44 --> 02:48:10,39
a you know we're not we're taking where
he's found five hundred seventy thousand we

1903
02:48:10,40 --> 02:48:14,77
can take that we can get this crossing
at the lighthouse done on it on

1904
02:48:14,78 --> 02:48:19,83
a fast track separate from all the other
crossings we've been talking about in the

1905
02:48:19,84 --> 02:48:26,41
five crossings project. That's so as

1906
02:48:26,42 --> 02:48:27,30
a general as

1907
02:48:27,31 --> 02:48:32,95
a general approval of us getting that money
to do this project that's what's on the

1908
02:48:32,96 --> 02:48:34,15
table here whether we're going to write

1909
02:48:34,16 --> 02:48:38,43
a letter to say yes go ahead and get the
money we approve of that research so it

1910
02:48:38,44 --> 02:48:43,35
just just evolved by Yes well the money
is still in the place where we can apply

1911
02:48:43,39 --> 02:48:49,31
right right thank you difference we don't
know the details of that grant. I asked

1912
02:48:49,32 --> 02:48:49,68
him to write

1913
02:48:49,69 --> 02:48:56,49
a memo it's time to. Be
this great I'm sure you

1914
02:48:56,50 --> 02:49:01,21
say this that this will cover everything
through construction design through

1915
02:49:01,22 --> 02:49:08,16
construction work so I asked him if
he just can't grant that we have

1916
02:49:08,17 --> 02:49:12,98
a guy trying to troll for this process
what is this gesture management and it's

1917
02:49:12,99 --> 02:49:17,07
like so the idea was just just yes really

1918
02:49:17,79 --> 02:49:24,65
a lot of just about safety cross so on
the back of this remember back here

1919
02:49:25,53 --> 02:49:31,57
some of them. The turning point for the
crossings we had every single crossing was

1920
02:49:31,58 --> 02:49:38,31
a painted cross walk with either to
much to be concerned your head. And so

1921
02:49:38,32 --> 02:49:43,72
basically pretty much what's been decided
for the White House for us there all that

1922
02:49:43,72 --> 02:49:50,50
. And we were saying like we're going to
meet up but it's like. So thinking about

1923
02:49:50,56 --> 02:49:54,32
it will says that the city only want to
come forward now it's like this for the

1924
02:49:54,33 --> 02:49:59,11
people crossing pushbutton is the White
House which is saying no to the park with

1925
02:49:59,12 --> 02:50:04,28
his friends and big wall it doesn't then
none of them would have as we first saw

1926
02:50:04,29 --> 02:50:08,54
them last year good you answer asked him

1927
02:50:08,55 --> 02:50:11,90
a question he said well something simple
but he didn't really answer the question

1928
02:50:11,91 --> 02:50:17,61
and he's not here tonight so that's kind
of the murky part but it is sort of

1929
02:50:17,62 --> 02:50:24,43
a side issue in this case the issue here
now is do we want to forge ahead. And

1930
02:50:24,72 --> 02:50:30,13
see the border this crossing location
in the sign all the way through to the

1931
02:50:30,14 --> 02:50:36,56
construction zone what earlier were in the
room for questions of The Who is this

1932
02:50:36,72 --> 02:50:40,89
fund of money where's the fund that money
would then make it more difficult to get

1933
02:50:41,61 --> 02:50:46,90
funding for other projects because I'm not
seeing I'm seeing issues with good my

1934
02:50:46,91 --> 02:50:52,17
house crossing there this far this is the
districts doing time to push the button

1935
02:50:52,18 --> 02:50:55,73
and then walk out the front of the car
then people who are going to be left with

1936
02:50:55,80 --> 02:50:56,89
the decision should

1937
02:50:56,90 --> 02:51:01,29
a run over the pedestrian or risk getting
rear ended this is the same situation we

1938
02:51:01,30 --> 02:51:05,33
had there before Congress for too much turn
because we knew when we left turn lane

1939
02:51:05,34 --> 02:51:10,22
you were getting killed by. We're now going
to put so I'm ambivalent about doing

1940
02:51:10,61 --> 02:51:17,55
about this crossing treatment. And
I said to him we'll. Just let the

1941
02:51:17,56 --> 02:51:23,26
Squire die oh no we didn't do that we
should go forward so I don't know when the

1942
02:51:23,27 --> 02:51:29,92
other hand you do decide to use.
Force to later tonight or he misses

1943
02:51:30,19 --> 02:51:37,17
Well he's still great he just won
how hard. Thank you Lisa other

1944
02:51:37,73 --> 02:51:42,52
other council call so as a
very strong proponent for

1945
02:51:42,53 --> 02:51:47,56
a crossing of that location that is where
the coast train always going across there

1946
02:51:47,57 --> 02:51:48,31
already quite

1947
02:51:48,32 --> 02:51:54,58
a few people crossing there because the
hostel. I cross there regularly and the

1948
02:51:54,59 --> 02:52:00,17
people do it's probably one of the four
highest crossing points of the highway for

1949
02:52:01,05 --> 02:52:07,02
walking. So yeah I think we should
go ahead. And we heard quite

1950
02:52:07,03 --> 02:52:11,14
a bit of community discussion.
You know we never had

1951
02:52:11,15 --> 02:52:16,12
a Reiki most important least important
of those but I think there was

1952
02:52:16,13 --> 02:52:19,38
a fair number of people who thought it
was important so yeah I think we should

1953
02:52:19,39 --> 02:52:25,81
support those there I think you know
authorization for you to write this when you

1954
02:52:25,82 --> 02:52:31,27
get details from Nicholas when you are
not happy you get something different we

1955
02:52:31,28 --> 02:52:37,96
signed up for then. I believe we can put
it in the language operation you write

1956
02:52:37,97 --> 02:52:44,86
this you have the this is not
right. We have been made on the

1957
02:52:45,18 --> 02:52:50,16
basis. That something. One second one.

1958
02:52:52,59 --> 02:52:59,38
I didn't hear that explain again. What
they said yeah yeah I think what.

1959
02:53:00,51 --> 02:53:07,42
They should say Well I think what I
heard was that. This design has been is

1960
02:53:07,43 --> 02:53:12,32
the one that was generally proven selected
over the course of several of them. Is

1961
02:53:12,33 --> 02:53:18,10
On the face of what is in phase one category
of the first crisis that we heard last

1962
02:53:18,11 --> 02:53:24,92
month that we're going to go.
So it's not like this is

1963
02:53:25,20 --> 02:53:29,07
a mystery project or you know you know
we're getting it here they're saying that

1964
02:53:29,08 --> 02:53:34,70
this is. One of the highest crossing
areas and I think what he said is real

1965
02:53:34,71 --> 02:53:41,00
authorize the Council authorized me to write
the letter but I feel that. When I get

1966
02:53:41,52 --> 02:53:46,18
the information from Nicholas that it is
insufficient or contradictory to what you

1967
02:53:46,19 --> 02:53:53,05
originally told or there is something.
Something that doesn't seem right

1968
02:53:53,09 --> 02:53:54,24
to me your that I think it's

1969
02:53:54,25 --> 02:54:00,80
a red flag. That I have the authorization
not to read I mean this is the part this

1970
02:54:00,81 --> 02:54:06,39
is I think one of so is that that that's
what I was turning to say yes it's

1971
02:54:06,40 --> 02:54:11,05
a judgment call and it's
pretty fuzzy but this is

1972
02:54:11,06 --> 02:54:15,51
a pretty special situation even the only
hope for their alternative is for us to

1973
02:54:15,53 --> 02:54:22,26
Cronenberg's even. Which I don't want to
yeah I mean again I don't I think my.

1974
02:54:24,10 --> 02:54:28,93
Reluctance on this not that I'm going to
vote against my reluctance on this is I

1975
02:54:28,94 --> 02:54:33,73
don't like the the rushed nature of it and
the lack of information feel like I'm

1976
02:54:34,01 --> 02:54:36,99
writing a blank check here or
where you guys are off rising

1977
02:54:37,00 --> 02:54:41,57
a blank check and you know you don't
know what you're going to get.

1978
02:54:44,13 --> 02:54:50,77
Yet. Having discussed these
crossings for so many many

1979
02:54:51,10 --> 02:54:58,02
hours. And no offense to your
memory. I thought there was

1980
02:54:58,03 --> 02:55:02,46
discussion about different concerns such
as the one that Lisa brought up to me and

1981
02:55:02,47 --> 02:55:06,53
we talked about different reiterations in
the world what we mustn't negatives and

1982
02:55:06,54 --> 02:55:11,39
so I'm not remembering that it was run
run run this is what we want to do and

1983
02:55:11,40 --> 02:55:15,24
essentially to me if the council writes
this letter we're saying yes this is with

1984
02:55:15,56 --> 02:55:20,21
the lights and this is what the separate
separate cells are so personally and

1985
02:55:20,91 --> 02:55:27,18
remember this is the rising branch
and the design were granted

1986
02:55:27,19 --> 02:55:33,13
a nation grant applications for any
design work that's done for the.

1987
02:55:34,94 --> 02:55:36,23
Construction but there's

1988
02:55:36,24 --> 02:55:41,20
a lot of time and energy put into putting
green I mean the county long out he will

1989
02:55:41,21 --> 02:55:47,63
be doing that's my tax dollars.
So while I'm sure the designs.

1990
02:55:48,77 --> 02:55:54,00
Proved All right. Well that's what the
discussion started so it is absolutely true

1991
02:55:54,01 --> 02:55:58,39
that we didn't say oh yes that's phase one
the county group did in the Phase one

1992
02:55:58,90 --> 02:56:04,00
based on the three million dollars limit
they use so it wasn't like the community

1993
02:56:04,01 --> 02:56:09,39
said yes we think this is the right word
that her I completely agree with people

1994
02:56:09,40 --> 02:56:14,07
did say with Lisa said that once your cross
walk somebody is going to just assume

1995
02:56:14,08 --> 02:56:20,94
it's OK I know you have to
like running. You know people

1996
02:56:20,95 --> 02:56:26,32
already cross there I freak people out for
drugs because I look the driver in the

1997
02:56:26,33 --> 02:56:29,08
eye high and I walk because you have

1998
02:56:29,09 --> 02:56:34,73
a legal war right wrongs dest you have
greater that is already here you really have

1999
02:56:34,74 --> 02:56:35,13
to have

2000
02:56:35,14 --> 02:56:39,31
a hostie which I don't think this is about
the value of the crossing I think this

2001
02:56:39,32 --> 02:56:40,35
is for me I'm

2002
02:56:40,36 --> 02:56:46,54
a process person but I think that this is
about the process and supposed to. You

2003
02:56:46,55 --> 02:56:50,91
know the good is bad came from the crowd
but by the type of crossing they rose to

2004
02:56:50,92 --> 02:56:57,81
give room for someone. In the county someone
of all the confidence they believed

2005
02:56:57,82 --> 02:57:03,57
was the most right choice and they're going
to I trust that I trust that it's going

2006
02:57:03,58 --> 02:57:04,74
to be an old one we've got

2007
02:57:04,75 --> 02:57:08,74
a picture of you know OK that they're
going to and they're going to get

2008
02:57:08,75 --> 02:57:15,21
a group that will take you to get their.
Structure. I don't question you I'm

2009
02:57:15,62 --> 02:57:20,96
I'm concerned because I'm. The council
has gone to the bathroom across the

2010
02:57:20,97 --> 02:57:27,09
subdivision and always every time we spoke
we supported the first branch trying to

2011
02:57:27,10 --> 02:57:32,03
come up for this project it was with the
picture in mind that in the highways

2012
02:57:32,12 --> 02:57:38,57
a few really stood over median refuge and
it just looked perfect and that's what we

2013
02:57:38,58 --> 02:57:43,83
have in mind and then later they got bigger
and they said oh the White House is in

2014
02:57:43,84 --> 02:57:50,35
there and we were special letter asking
just this location back to the ranch we did

2015
02:57:50,97 --> 02:57:56,18
but always it was this picture we had in
mind was to raise me in rescue job or

2016
02:57:56,19 --> 02:57:57,35
something it wasn't

2017
02:57:57,61 --> 02:58:02,83
a curtain sign so then in the process of
this way through was you know you have

2018
02:58:02,84 --> 02:58:08,94
a choice for the slow patient either zero
or one or something horrendous extension

2019
02:58:08,95 --> 02:58:14,67
the crazy is broke right all the stuff which
like no reasonable for that and so the

2020
02:58:14,68 --> 02:58:19,76
end of the survey was done with what twenty
five people participated so this site

2021
02:58:20,04 --> 02:58:26,85
on. We're not going to let
that. Process out here just it

2022
02:58:26,86 --> 02:58:33,47
just irks me is that she specifically
canceled once again just for this

2023
02:58:33,48 --> 02:58:39,33
particular occasion this went
to the jurors turn. Just.

2024
02:58:41,49 --> 02:58:46,98
On the rush to I don't like yeah so they
were on record first then you're on record

2025
02:58:46,99 --> 02:58:52,34
over and over and finally knowing what the
design is going to be one record for yes

2026
02:58:53,00 --> 02:58:56,62
or no do that let me ask you some

2027
02:58:56,63 --> 02:59:02,86
a chance you know so I.
Know I'm right and I agree

2028
02:59:03,47 --> 02:59:08,72
however that I mean that I'm not saying
that that bridge has already been crossed

2029
02:59:08,73 --> 02:59:14,98
but it seems like. That that design
one design alternative one or

2030
02:59:15,02 --> 02:59:19,06
a was the one that the county was going
to go with so we're not here to hash that

2031
02:59:19,07 --> 02:59:22,56
out but let me ask let me ask this question
of kind of the reverse of what Lisa

2032
02:59:22,57 --> 02:59:26,87
just said what is the implication
for the Midcoast for the M.C.C.

2033
02:59:27,10 --> 02:59:32,74
If we don't support this grant application
will this be seen as take. That this is

2034
02:59:32,75 --> 02:59:36,80
your chance to put up or shut up and you
guys said no so we must not want to step

2035
02:59:36,81 --> 02:59:40,93
out because here we are offering you to
do something or to get this thing through

2036
02:59:41,27 --> 02:59:45,68
and you've got to say no you don't want
that so I'm not saying that's my position

2037
02:59:45,69 --> 02:59:50,55
I'm asking that question to the council
like do we need to consider the impact that

2038
02:59:50,56 --> 02:59:54,01
has not supporting the screen
application would have for

2039
02:59:54,02 --> 02:59:58,67
a future. Project. Here So I just get

2040
02:59:58,68 --> 03:00:05,34
a sense of how and. I mean if we may can
we support the application for grants

2041
03:00:05,89 --> 03:00:12,84
down the civically supporting grant to
be. The Flash Bill is going to be very

2042
03:00:12,96 --> 03:00:17,00
happy about that right well I think
you had to was that quite I mean I'm

2043
03:00:17,01 --> 03:00:22,42
a little concerned that. The person who
won this on the weekend that you and I

2044
03:00:22,43 --> 03:00:23,04
understand there's

2045
03:00:23,05 --> 03:00:28,08
a time limit you know do the eighteenth
believe. He's not here we're all for trying

2046
03:00:28,09 --> 03:00:33,06
to figure out on his behalf we come
up with new questions about it.

2047
03:00:37,70 --> 03:00:43,80
And so we don't you know
that. Answer. I like to make

2048
03:00:43,81 --> 03:00:49,28
a motion not on through. The right. Or.

2049
03:00:53,04 --> 03:00:55,12
Your. Way with

2050
03:00:55,13 --> 03:01:00,66
a minute that's better yet you're here.
If you are you get your version actually

2051
03:01:00,67 --> 03:01:07,00
doesn't support the agenda how do
you know that. You think. Because

2052
03:01:07,64 --> 03:01:14,63
they would say yes I mean we this
letter and I reckon. I'm right and

2053
03:01:14,64 --> 03:01:16,94
I do want to say the council was

2054
03:01:16,95 --> 03:01:22,89
a whole did not dishes medians there because
I'm on the council and I absolutely

2055
03:01:22,90 --> 03:01:29,87
never envisioned me. Losing You know
it's such and in people who are

2056
03:01:29,88 --> 03:01:34,65
no longer on the council were part of
that and didn't. And I'm sure some of the

2057
03:01:34,69 --> 03:01:41,47
people still on the council there wasn't.
Re still have your photos of every

2058
03:01:42,47 --> 03:01:46,92
kind of the way authorize the letter to
be written on the home for me technically

2059
03:01:46,93 --> 03:01:51,76
do not have a motion for I just
describe what the motion would be

2060
03:01:51,77 --> 03:01:55,69
a fine and dandy the motion is that it's

2061
03:01:55,70 --> 03:02:02,66
a technically I think it would have the
phrase the way of the river. Before it

2062
03:02:02,67 --> 03:02:08,50
was. OK So we have

2063
03:02:08,51 --> 03:02:12,38
a motion that says Edward looking for

2064
03:02:12,39 --> 03:02:16,67
a second the motion is that we authorize
it is easy chair to write and submit

2065
03:02:16,68 --> 03:02:21,71
a letter of support for the grant application
and then with the motion I would and

2066
03:02:21,72 --> 03:02:26,16
before we take the vote rendered stories
to see what I want to point out I'd like

2067
03:02:26,17 --> 03:02:30,18
to amend the motion to say
now that the discretion.

2068
03:02:33,19 --> 03:02:39,31
How the people feel about that and then
the second not like. I think it I think

2069
03:02:39,32 --> 03:02:44,77
that if there was any question this sign
of change or some one of the downsides.

2070
03:02:46,40 --> 03:02:52,34
About the side that that's you know
he's saying. This was the if this was.

2071
03:02:53,96 --> 03:03:00,47
So so I don't see how this special
chair changed saying. This

2072
03:03:01,01 --> 03:03:06,81
site like. You had no business was a
waste on the fact that we don't have

2073
03:03:06,82 --> 03:03:13,75
a. Vote that's not the same.
Well you may have that

2074
03:03:13,76 --> 03:03:20,14
information I didn't see that much. You
know they said the city original botia is

2075
03:03:20,18 --> 03:03:25,38
exactly as stated here on the agenda all
phrase it so so he says rejected the

2076
03:03:25,39 --> 03:03:29,66
amendment I'm not going to push
for a vote so OK so do I have

2077
03:03:29,67 --> 03:03:31,17
a second time that I have

2078
03:03:31,18 --> 03:03:37,61
a second on this motion Yes no you know
you broke it I'm done I got lost in

2079
03:03:37,62 --> 03:03:38,36
operation is

2080
03:03:38,37 --> 03:03:43,76
a great leader presupposed it dancer OK
Russia is exactly what's written on the

2081
03:03:43,77 --> 03:03:44,30
right

2082
03:03:44,31 --> 03:03:48,64
a Jan second hands down so let's just hold
that right there is motion on the table

2083
03:03:48,65 --> 03:03:54,36
the second miner like to say something but
he wanted to say something ten minutes

2084
03:03:55,14 --> 03:04:01,10
problems or through other information
overload. What are the specifics of those two

2085
03:04:01,11 --> 03:04:06,15
points that I'm looking for the answer to
that question on are is there or is there

2086
03:04:06,16 --> 03:04:11,23
not the raise median include
and again no raise medians

2087
03:04:11,24 --> 03:04:16,45
a sound design. So keep it I
don't remember the prime.

2088
03:04:20,74 --> 03:04:23,98
And it's only flashing when there's somebody
there for sure but the waiting line

2089
03:04:24,31 --> 03:04:31,20
yes. Because if it was continuously
flashing I would be unconditionally opposed

2090
03:04:31,21 --> 03:04:32,88
to it and I still think it's

2091
03:04:32,89 --> 03:04:37,14
a bad idea to do it without the raise media
and kind of like to hear more from Dave

2092
03:04:37,15 --> 03:04:40,33
on what's wrong with the raised media
because unless you're going to have

2093
03:04:40,34 --> 03:04:45,14
a full stop you really need the safe
refuge even though the highway is probably

2094
03:04:45,15 --> 03:04:50,17
narrower there than much of the rest
of the coast I really think it's

2095
03:04:50,18 --> 03:04:55,25
a refuge it's a good idea and
this Caltrans and I said this at

2096
03:04:55,26 --> 03:05:00,61
a previous recent council meeting Caltrans
is full of it when they say we have to

2097
03:05:00,62 --> 03:05:04,82
do you know five hundred foot long rays
medians go look at Capistrano there's

2098
03:05:04,83 --> 03:05:10,44
a raise median on each side of Capistrano
that's like two car lengths long so it's

2099
03:05:10,45 --> 03:05:15,66
forty feet max it's probably thirty or
thirty five feet and I think it's only this

2100
03:05:15,67 --> 03:05:22,62
wide so. Caltrans members that have just
taken over the counter and some Somebody

2101
03:05:22,63 --> 03:05:27,25
said it had to be really long it was their
proposal to cover the entire speakers

2102
03:05:27,29 --> 03:05:31,56
you can't have it stop and start
from the notation you can do

2103
03:05:31,57 --> 03:05:37,72
a short one and so you know if
I really are I think you raise

2104
03:05:38,56 --> 03:05:41,50
OK so that the nature of the design is not

2105
03:05:41,51 --> 03:05:45,40
a question here whether you like that
design or not will influence your vote but

2106
03:05:45,41 --> 03:05:50,00
we're not changing the design of the
design is going with alternative one as

2107
03:05:50,01 --> 03:05:54,75
proposed at the five crossings meetings
over the last couple of years and the one

2108
03:05:54,76 --> 03:06:01,01
that was generally. Well but not uniformly
agreed upon at the last meeting I think

2109
03:06:01,02 --> 03:06:06,46
listen first part of the member
here so we're back to our motion.

2110
03:06:07,75 --> 03:06:13,32
OK we're going pressed you
know where we are you. Know.

2111
03:06:16,28 --> 03:06:21,51
I'm fine with that because I don't like
this process now I'm trying to take my

2112
03:06:21,52 --> 03:06:25,19
emotion out of it I don't like to be
rushed I don't like process I don't like

2113
03:06:25,20 --> 03:06:31,89
a blank check. But I know with the
design is it's been generally agreed

2114
03:06:31,90 --> 03:06:36,07
upon I trust Nicholas. It's

2115
03:06:36,08 --> 03:06:42,79
a grant application. For which
will be further discussion

2116
03:06:42,80 --> 03:06:49,54
about the design after the application
has been approved so. I'm

2117
03:06:49,55 --> 03:06:56,06
fine with not having the discretion
to. To not right but I think as the

2118
03:06:56,25 --> 03:06:59,13
exactly as emotionalism exacted we had

2119
03:06:59,14 --> 03:07:05,76
a vote up or down I mean. In terms
of working with Nicholas he really

2120
03:07:05,89 --> 03:07:12,37
County I think he said. There he is oh
sorry because I mean this is going to be

2121
03:07:12,38 --> 03:07:18,35
years God did it live you guys are going
to be an emergency situation. And so

2122
03:07:18,39 --> 03:07:24,83
here's our choice. I want to point out
that Nick was working two jobs. And very

2123
03:07:24,84 --> 03:07:29,16
much I'm not like you know. I'm not playing
it with this isn't about me but this

2124
03:07:29,17 --> 03:07:35,12
further concerns about process
it will be included. Do it not.

2125
03:07:39,35 --> 03:07:45,94
Just. Could we not. Could we not

2126
03:07:46,22 --> 03:07:51,72
state that we cannot support.
Grant application do you.

2127
03:07:53,23 --> 03:07:59,60
Not have accurate accurate response time
that county right here that's what.

2128
03:08:00,91 --> 03:08:05,62
I think I'm going to meet on that I think
what they're wanting this for is to

2129
03:08:05,63 --> 03:08:09,87
attach to the grant application to show
this community support for this so that

2130
03:08:09,95 --> 03:08:13,91
whoever is reviewing the grant application
probably doesn't really care that much.

2131
03:08:15,10 --> 03:08:21,14
And that is really will be counted in
the minutes. Sure we feel like you know

2132
03:08:21,21 --> 03:08:26,78
yourself to the Commerce. Commission case
think again so we're back to that we're

2133
03:08:26,79 --> 03:08:32,73
back to the like decision point of can we
swallow our displeasure with the process

2134
03:08:32,82 --> 03:08:37,08
for the ultimate. Goal of
getting this crossing.

2135
03:08:40,36 --> 03:08:46,83
Yes. Yes yes. Probably be sort of

2136
03:08:46,84 --> 03:08:49,37
communication that I would want to
have many ways whether that was

2137
03:08:49,38 --> 03:08:53,10
a visually off the rumors were not but
that's not something we're going to offer to

2138
03:08:53,11 --> 03:08:58,58
you so you do you swallow your displeasure
with the process in order to get the end

2139
03:08:58,59 --> 03:09:03,50
goal or do we stick with the idea we don't
want to set precedent we don't like

2140
03:09:03,51 --> 03:09:09,76
being rushed but take the risk of it
having negative downstream effects of. You

2141
03:09:09,77 --> 03:09:12,91
know we thought you guys one of these
crossings here we are we're doing it for you

2142
03:09:12,99 --> 03:09:17,78
he said no he said he would support the
application so he must not want that that

2143
03:09:17,84 --> 03:09:21,58
I'm not that's Nicholas has never said that
I'm not putting words in his mouth I'm

2144
03:09:21,59 --> 03:09:28,55
paraphrasing or I'm basically thinking
about what county reaction he County

2145
03:09:28,56 --> 03:09:34,82
with these you know. QUESTION
I mean how many answers.

2146
03:09:36,51 --> 03:09:42,81
Just are. OK so we approve this we've got
county staff working on putting together

2147
03:09:42,82 --> 03:09:48,74
green implication and then. What happens
from there I'm trying to I want to

2148
03:09:48,75 --> 03:09:53,53
understand the impact of the. So we it's
my understanding that we are going to

2149
03:09:53,58 --> 03:09:58,38
write this pretty basic letter in support
of this spring that the patient was clear

2150
03:09:58,75 --> 03:10:02,60
mentioned I think that it's going to be
better handed to the application right so

2151
03:10:02,61 --> 03:10:08,69
that the grants makers see that this
has communities for the support of the

2152
03:10:08,73 --> 03:10:13,21
Advisory Council or the. That's
the piece of I'm just having

2153
03:10:13,22 --> 03:10:17,64
a hard time with the name David I know
you feel pretty strongly there but it is

2154
03:10:18,47 --> 03:10:24,70
a downer night just like I like my dad.
I just remember so much discussion

2155
03:10:25,43 --> 03:10:31,97
so that's what's called. Well if I'm just
so I'm going to make my statement that

2156
03:10:32,41 --> 03:10:36,18
everybody will have the podium but he votes
as they will I don't like the process I

2157
03:10:36,19 --> 03:10:41,24
don't like being rushed I really don't
like it however I have I believe that I

2158
03:10:41,25 --> 03:10:47,30
agree to vote yes on this
motion because I. So I support

2159
03:10:48,21 --> 03:10:51,61
the idea that they're trying to do something
and it's something that has been.

2160
03:10:52,76 --> 03:10:54,13
Somewhat accepted as

2161
03:10:54,14 --> 03:10:57,81
a design proposal it's not anything new
it's not that we don't have any idea what's

2162
03:10:57,82 --> 03:11:00,20
going to go there we know what
they're talking about it's

2163
03:11:00,21 --> 03:11:07,08
a grant application. Though I'm not happy
I feel that the bigger benefit here

2164
03:11:07,09 --> 03:11:12,76
is to show community support
for this. And for that.

2165
03:11:15,20 --> 03:11:20,08
Long as I was going but it does exist
there's one thing I want to get out of the

2166
03:11:20,09 --> 03:11:26,30
boat that we have no one just yelling no
more discussion here think we're on WAIT

2167
03:11:26,31 --> 03:11:31,41
WAIT she says she's called The question I
know what I mean but why get the body and

2168
03:11:31,67 --> 03:11:37,07
we either better call the question or we
go to the letter all right I'm answering

2169
03:11:37,08 --> 03:11:41,76
you can't just keep talking OK well
I'm just asking for one moment to our

2170
03:11:42,01 --> 03:11:48,69
discussion that's it Lisa and then make an
additional comment then so I'm saying my

2171
03:11:49,15 --> 03:11:54,09
no yes vote here is just you
know who is more of our stuff.

2172
03:11:56,56 --> 03:12:02,64
I just don't think that the
slow process. It's essentially

2173
03:12:03,55 --> 03:12:04,44
giving him C.C.

2174
03:12:04,45 --> 03:12:11,74
Approval for the fact design. I
haven't even seen the. Results

2175
03:12:12,28 --> 03:12:18,78
of all of the. You know
compiled results of the.

2176
03:12:20,10 --> 03:12:26,88
Work to work where they came to decide
that you know yes this is what. I have

2177
03:12:27,28 --> 03:12:33,95
grants that this is what they're for
on the book you know. All right

2178
03:12:34,30 --> 03:12:40,64
he says. Oh oh why didn't you call
question that you would like you to

2179
03:12:41,12 --> 03:12:41,34
look

2180
03:12:41,35 --> 03:12:48,79
a little bit ahead what is that my specific
language built it. Up so late in Russian

2181
03:12:48,94 --> 03:12:53,95
I notice I've got more something what's
been said I couldn't write and so all in

2182
03:12:53,96 --> 03:12:59,44
favor say OK thank you of the truth writer
Yeah yeah I will receive nothing there

2183
03:12:59,45 --> 03:13:02,98
on internet there is a motion on
the table to authorize the F.C.C.

2184
03:13:02,99 --> 03:13:04,18
Chair to write and submit

2185
03:13:04,19 --> 03:13:09,58
a letter of support for the great application.
For the crossing at sixteenth Street

2186
03:13:09,98 --> 03:13:15,83
Montero it has been seconded. All

2187
03:13:15,84 --> 03:13:22,67
a favor we say are. All of those. Two

2188
03:13:22,72 --> 03:13:29,27
for you and abstention for tomorrow measure
passes I will write and some MILLETTE

2189
03:13:29,28 --> 03:13:35,78
of support for the grant application. And.
Because if this is the proper place to

2190
03:13:35,79 --> 03:13:40,83
say this we may want to also do something
to communicate to Nicholas or wherever

2191
03:13:40,84 --> 03:13:46,93
else is about our displeasure it was
discovered that this is all roses. That

2192
03:13:47,83 --> 03:13:54,60
I'm not happy. That we know and I will
discuss them that it's not that I mean not

2193
03:13:54,61 --> 03:13:55,09
that I'm not

2194
03:13:55,10 --> 03:13:59,67
a lecturer but I'm just going to say we
did not appreciate Roxas it puts us in

2195
03:13:59,68 --> 03:14:03,58
a tough spot. Over. Your.

2196
03:14:06,55 --> 03:14:12,54
Own handwriting. Yes I'm sure they still
mean we don't know why or write at the

2197
03:14:12,55 --> 03:14:16,25
time we don't know why
couldn't they be that it was

2198
03:14:16,26 --> 03:14:21,17
a last minute. OK. Backless

2199
03:14:21,18 --> 03:14:25,40
a regular general counsel activity they
would like to discuss correspondence or

2200
03:14:25,96 --> 03:14:32,91
meetings attended Yes several
things I attended the Happened

2201
03:14:32,92 --> 03:14:38,71
a city council meeting where they approved
the twenty two thousand square foot

2202
03:14:38,72 --> 03:14:45,04
library. There was strong community
sentiment to get it done

2203
03:14:45,39 --> 03:14:47,86
whatever it took there were also quite

2204
03:14:47,87 --> 03:14:53,41
a few people who are unhappy that the size
of the library has decreased. We didn't

2205
03:14:53,42 --> 03:14:57,58
want to tell of the people that supported
the people that did support could you

2206
03:14:57,59 --> 03:15:03,28
differentiate any city of Half Moon Bay
versus County population most of the people

2207
03:15:03,29 --> 03:15:05,78
who spoke were from have
Moon Bay There were

2208
03:15:05,82 --> 03:15:12,49
a number of people as well.
And support. I believe that.

2209
03:15:14,03 --> 03:15:20,90
The people who thought even twenty two
thousand was too big were mostly that most

2210
03:15:20,91 --> 03:15:24,17
of the people from the mid coast
whose book God even happens to.

2211
03:15:27,89 --> 03:15:29,04
Also tended to happen in

2212
03:15:29,98 --> 03:15:36,78
a. General plan since the secession. As
was mentioned by somebody during the

2213
03:15:36,79 --> 03:15:39,35
meeting earlier tonight Opus base is still

2214
03:15:39,36 --> 03:15:45,28
a really big issue. They abandoned the
development the transfer to validate rights

2215
03:15:45,29 --> 03:15:50,76
from you areas and even said it was
premature to hear brought it up.

2216
03:15:52,41 --> 03:15:53,43
With the T.D.R.

2217
03:15:53,53 --> 03:16:00,46
You know. Yes Thank you dear Day
Yes plan your developments so

2218
03:16:00,47 --> 03:16:02,88
I can. Hear something

2219
03:16:02,89 --> 03:16:09,70
a little. Too many really rare. Yeah

2220
03:16:09,71 --> 03:16:16,69
and. Believe that was my major
Oh well open space district

2221
03:16:17,11 --> 03:16:22,34
is looking for citizens who want to be on
the advisory committee to determine how

2222
03:16:22,35 --> 03:16:27,84
the measure double aid money is
spent and we've the deadline is.

2223
03:16:29,24 --> 03:16:35,54
In the next week or two so no good or
anybody sees this on the video. Go for it

2224
03:16:36,27 --> 03:16:42,84
go to the website of the
oh yeah. That said. There

2225
03:16:43,79 --> 03:16:50,00
are no. Site sites reported I went to the
meeting for the Ontario water sanitation

2226
03:16:50,01 --> 03:16:56,43
district. Recreates with the
college and I just wanted to.

2227
03:16:57,48 --> 03:17:03,91
State that I'm going to get these numbers
are close but not exactly right so there

2228
03:17:03,92 --> 03:17:07,70
are approximately seventy two hundred fifty
homes that will be affected by the rate

2229
03:17:07,81 --> 03:17:14,07
base which is going to be forty eight
percent next year if we're eight percent

2230
03:17:14,11 --> 03:17:18,69
increase next year and what we needed was

2231
03:17:19,02 --> 03:17:22,53
a proximately nine hundred homes write

2232
03:17:22,54 --> 03:17:26,47
a letter to the Ontario hotter and sanitary
district stating that they did not

2233
03:17:26,55 --> 03:17:30,44
agree with the increase at which point we
would have been able to go back to recall

2234
03:17:30,45 --> 03:17:33,45
a G.M. Renegotiate. They ended up with

2235
03:17:33,46 --> 03:17:39,03
a total of about twenty four letters so I
just would like to say that if next year

2236
03:17:39,08 --> 03:17:42,02
people that are affected by that I
am happy they should have written

2237
03:17:42,03 --> 03:17:48,91
a letter. Like. That when they were
here to report of the total number of

2238
03:17:48,92 --> 03:17:51,08
letters is forty six
hours there if you came

2239
03:17:51,09 --> 03:17:57,94
a little better so yeah. Well we're
getting closer to. Yeah with you

2240
03:17:58,31 --> 03:18:04,58
because he. Was

2241
03:18:05,49 --> 03:18:05,98
right in the.

2242
03:18:12,22 --> 03:18:18,12
Sensory sense. We'll have to listen.

2243
03:18:19,36 --> 03:18:25,83
I feel sick and he'll coast.
I'm deadly He says that.

2244
03:18:26,89 --> 03:18:33,76
The. Fence will stall the
powers of the time. He did

2245
03:18:33,77 --> 03:18:38,32
say it might be direct ratio but it was the
idea all right he had sort of take care

2246
03:18:38,33 --> 03:18:44,88
of that when he was the only house. Where
you know. The only thing I'm there to

2247
03:18:45,63 --> 03:18:50,78
do with the I have is tomorrow's cosigned
design review committee there's probably

2248
03:18:50,79 --> 03:18:54,27
going to be about a ten hour
meeting starting at eleven got

2249
03:18:54,28 --> 03:18:59,69
a two hour study session five things on
the docket including to try Plex is in

2250
03:18:59,70 --> 03:19:04,43
health or not. So if you're interested
in that please come to the C.D.R.

2251
03:19:04,44 --> 03:19:10,43
See meeting to try flex projects in two
separate projects oh oh oh yeah you're both

2252
03:19:10,44 --> 03:19:15,27
more Tola and cord out of. Those will be
the last two items on the agenda I think

2253
03:19:15,28 --> 03:19:17,91
it like five and six
o'clock but the way C.R.C.

2254
03:19:17,92 --> 03:19:24,48
Goes it'll probably be more like six thirty
eight o'clock so sleep well. That's all

2255
03:19:24,49 --> 03:19:31,05
I have here. Oh yes something sure. So.

2256
03:19:32,37 --> 03:19:37,98
I'm trying all here to get better. If you
can betters fires there really for most

2257
03:19:37,98 --> 03:19:44,57
of you know what's coming along and so
I have just one service this is the

2258
03:19:44,58 --> 03:19:50,30
Belmont love Basically
we've never had no. Worse.

2259
03:19:51,38 --> 03:19:52,29
To ask for

2260
03:19:52,30 --> 03:19:58,98
a pre-application workshop unless Lenny
Roberts who got the African contacted her

2261
03:19:58,99 --> 03:20:01,61
to run for county and then once I had

2262
03:20:01,62 --> 03:20:06,03
a feeling numbered I could look on the
county site see that stuff had been going on

2263
03:20:06,04 --> 03:20:11,84
for months and so I gave up on that process
now for staying informed and I went to

2264
03:20:11,85 --> 03:20:18,79
the county on one side you can't just
ask for the American. Order list of

2265
03:20:18,80 --> 03:20:24,18
all the. Herman allocations you have to
punch in the numbers of is going to be for

2266
03:20:24,19 --> 03:20:28,28
twenty as I did twenty fifteen approached
in every number below and twenty fifteen

2267
03:20:28,55 --> 03:20:30,87
up to five hundred
whatever it was and have

2268
03:20:30,88 --> 03:20:35,31
a database and I pulled off the ones that
were like because it's just interesting

2269
03:20:35,32 --> 03:20:39,55
and I'm going to work to get but so the
information is there the stuff that's there

2270
03:20:39,56 --> 03:20:45,57
that we never hear about groups previously
to the trunk says triplex for them or.

2271
03:20:46,67 --> 03:20:53,10
You know it's interesting the day we.
You know and there's other stuff too

2272
03:20:53,46 --> 03:20:57,39
an interesting some going on that
I've generated questions I have

2273
03:20:57,40 --> 03:21:04,39
a census form in at some point all
of this together. So. It seems like

2274
03:21:04,40 --> 03:21:08,54
that's you know I want to figure
out a way because I have found

2275
03:21:08,55 --> 03:21:15,08
a good way to share this table and try to
keep track of you know what So I enjoy

2276
03:21:15,09 --> 03:21:19,78
the privacy and when we heard about how
we heard about it we counted so I'm just

2277
03:21:19,93 --> 03:21:25,52
trying to keep track of. One. Group.

2278
03:21:27,66 --> 03:21:33,50
I'm bound by really really all you know
County to do it and that's because they

2279
03:21:33,51 --> 03:21:35,43
need it's wonderful online sites with

2280
03:21:35,44 --> 03:21:41,83
a contract where you can look
things up. For future reference.

2281
03:21:42,86 --> 03:21:48,01
We had this exact same problem years and
years ago and we went to the director of

2282
03:21:48,25 --> 03:21:53,69
plan I guess to be Steve Martin with his
position. So not we don't need to decide

2283
03:21:53,70 --> 03:21:59,58
how to do it right now to get some
pictures either. Because then they were he

2284
03:21:59,69 --> 03:22:06,53
deposition. Cracks or layers
of the law that. We don't know

2285
03:22:07,32 --> 03:22:12,84
so we've been working on the screen here
and it's so we hear this and that is more

2286
03:22:13,02 --> 03:22:18,29
we're on the unsuccessful use of the do
what I just described so I'm not saying he

2287
03:22:18,30 --> 03:22:23,25
didn't do that but I'm just saying you know
what you are because we want to we will

2288
03:22:23,26 --> 03:22:29,07
be there. Can I ask one quick question
what the applicant reached out to me and I

2289
03:22:29,08 --> 03:22:34,99
was curious as to why interesting was two
years ago was the same person when I

2290
03:22:35,96 --> 03:22:42,31
said. He didn't recommend it to him
contact her talk about these plans

2291
03:22:43,21 --> 03:22:49,96
and how it was someone did two
years ago and so we contacted her

2292
03:22:50,05 --> 03:22:56,98
again and one. And so
she had her plans for

2293
03:22:57,38 --> 03:23:03,56
August and she understood me and I see if
you let them run you know I started to

2294
03:23:03,57 --> 03:23:04,61
get into the M.C.C.

2295
03:23:04,69 --> 03:23:08,38
Files the bar rules but it hadn't been for

2296
03:23:08,39 --> 03:23:13,35
a private citizen finding out about someone's
know who would you know ask for this

2297
03:23:13,36 --> 03:23:18,99
workshop. Which clearly generates I didn't
hear him and when we did ask for it

2298
03:23:19,00 --> 03:23:24,42
initially informally they said no so that's
when we drafted the letter to formally

2299
03:23:24,43 --> 03:23:30,78
ask for it and they said yes
OK things. Granted look.

2300
03:23:34,47 --> 03:23:40,30
You're easy. To move. As.

2301
03:23:42,88 --> 03:23:43,19
You know.

2302
03:23:49,89 --> 03:23:55,39
So I do have one other thing for the
community speaking of public notices D.P.W.

2303
03:23:55,40 --> 03:24:01,24
Notified us of three new proposed new
parking zones in the on on the mid coast.

2304
03:24:02,30 --> 03:24:09,24
Carlos' cross on the west side across
from the post office. A section near

2305
03:24:09,30 --> 03:24:16,04
quarry park on the side adjacent to
worry park and Marotta road on the west

2306
03:24:16,05 --> 03:24:16,78
side along

2307
03:24:16,79 --> 03:24:23,53
a bluff section and that last one was
justified on the basis of emergency access

2308
03:24:23,54 --> 03:24:28,31
San Carlos across the post office was
justified some citizens said they couldn't

2309
03:24:28,32 --> 03:24:33,83
back out of the diagonal spots any more
cars were parked there on the quarry

2310
03:24:33,84 --> 03:24:38,04
Redwine is because one of the property
owners on the other side has an R.V.

2311
03:24:38,05 --> 03:24:43,63
Vehicle that they can't maneuver when
people parked there so the deadline for all

2312
03:24:43,64 --> 03:24:46,37
these was December
fourteenth one of them was

2313
03:24:46,38 --> 03:24:51,20
a Word doc and I couldn't even get the
marking on until Lisa sent it back to me as

2314
03:24:51,21 --> 03:24:51,91
a P.D.F.

2315
03:24:51,91 --> 03:24:57,65
. I asked them to extend it past the January
meetings we can have on the generally

2316
03:24:57,66 --> 03:25:02,05
agenda I just realized we
had heard anything back so.

2317
03:25:04,83 --> 03:25:10,23
If anybody cares about it here is this
before December fourteenth you can get in

2318
03:25:10,24 --> 03:25:11,12
contact with D.V.

2319
03:25:11,13 --> 03:25:15,98
W I personally do not think the ones
other than the one I want Corey park is

2320
03:25:15,99 --> 03:25:16,49
basically

2321
03:25:16,50 --> 03:25:20,72
a ditch so I don't mind that one too much
and there's plenty of parking at Boree

2322
03:25:20,73 --> 03:25:27,24
park the other two I believe should not
be done and I have communicated that to

2323
03:25:27,25 --> 03:25:33,20
them but I have not
heard back. Very. Good.

2324
03:25:36,02 --> 03:25:42,57
To. Hear. It's not sorry I said on the
west side road is on the east side

2325
03:25:42,58 --> 03:25:48,85
a lot of rosewood front of the Douglas beach
house it cetera I know both sides why

2326
03:25:48,86 --> 03:25:51,81
it might be but nobody can park on the
west side anyway because you're in the

2327
03:25:51,82 --> 03:25:56,76
traffic and if you try to have traffic lane
on the west side you would be down the

2328
03:25:56,77 --> 03:26:03,62
river and so effectively
it's only on each side. I

2329
03:26:03,63 --> 03:26:08,14
have written a note to.
Write a email to D.P.W.

2330
03:26:08,15 --> 03:26:13,43
Asking for an update on the situation OK I
will forward them the corresponds do you

2331
03:26:13,65 --> 03:26:18,41
think I would agree with you that the risk
the present fictions in my speech are

2332
03:26:18,42 --> 03:26:24,98
not warranted. Yes I have I pulled
out of that parking space mall. Is

2333
03:26:25,54 --> 03:26:30,71
supposed to talk about. You know I guess
but we sure since everybody else is

2334
03:26:30,84 --> 03:26:36,49
recently I know some merit to that no
one wants to go to the post office

2335
03:26:36,50 --> 03:26:42,15
a lot and since they change the parking
rate among one side or side it's kind of

2336
03:26:42,30 --> 03:26:48,05
tourist lines of people park on the pavement
right driveway. And so if you try to

2337
03:26:48,06 --> 03:26:54,28
come down the street some of
them on the way to. The regular.

2338
03:26:57,31 --> 03:27:04,03
Basis to be in the water. Through the
longest winds are going to see. The

2339
03:27:04,42 --> 03:27:10,64
car. In you know the way the street news.

2340
03:27:12,45 --> 03:27:19,29
Is just why people don't generally park on
that side so much but I'm sometimes like

2341
03:27:19,30 --> 03:27:21,100
you say you know something
not someone will park

2342
03:27:22,01 --> 03:27:27,32
a vehicle that's for sale right so you
see it and exit the post office and I'm.

2343
03:27:28,77 --> 03:27:33,05
Going to have to say I'm going to receive
it and go tell Sharon right that's

2344
03:27:33,06 --> 03:27:37,64
already against your OK so I
will I will follow up on T.V. W.

2345
03:27:37,68 --> 03:27:43,22
Not to express my feelings on it but to
find out what the status of this is knowing

2346
03:27:44,13 --> 03:27:46,65
it so let's move on to future
agendas we do not have

2347
03:27:46,66 --> 03:27:52,75
a meeting on December twenty third. Because
the holidays that our next meeting is

2348
03:27:52,76 --> 03:27:57,85
January thirteenth two thousand and sixteen
will be looking at parallel trails go

2349
03:27:57,86 --> 03:28:04,39
up crossings and possibly sister cities
but. That's right yes so the other thing we

2350
03:28:04,40 --> 03:28:10,96
should either set tonight or
at that meeting is went on

2351
03:28:10,97 --> 03:28:15,72
a retreat. Yes let's not do that.

2352
03:28:19,18 --> 03:28:23,44
Right and that is another thing I would
you know if we have decided by January

2353
03:28:23,45 --> 03:28:25,87
thirteenth should put it on D.V.D.

2354
03:28:26,28 --> 03:28:32,69
And connect and we'll. You know. OK

2355
03:28:33,64 --> 03:28:39,01
I move with your. So.
OK if not our latest.