1 00:00:46,40 --> 00:00:50,61 Welcome to get action with Rachel rather than our featured guest today is Joy 2 00:00:50,62 --> 00:00:56,43 Bronstein she is the owner of above the fray and she is an environment in animal 3 00:00:56,44 --> 00:01:03,14 advocate. Thank you we're so excited than you I'm really thrilled to be here tell 4 00:01:03,15 --> 00:01:10,00 us about your history with. So that would go back to tiled hood I was 5 00:01:10,01 --> 00:01:14,16 lucky enough to have parents that raised me and Taos New Mexico for the most part 6 00:01:14,17 --> 00:01:14,44 which is 7 00:01:14,45 --> 00:01:19,83 a tiny little town in northern New Mexico and they encouraged my love of animals 8 00:01:19,84 --> 00:01:26,59 and let me bring home almost anything that I could find. I think as 9 00:01:26,60 --> 00:01:29,51 a child that is thinking back you know and I could see where it would get 10 00:01:29,52 --> 00:01:32,31 a little hairy sometimes. You know I went. 11 00:01:36,72 --> 00:01:43,16 Over that. Yeah the funny thing is I'm actually terrified of cows as an adult but 12 00:01:43,17 --> 00:01:50,01 well. That is I don't that's our secret and now everybody was talking about but 13 00:01:50,05 --> 00:01:55,32 yeah I always loved animals I was raised to admire and love the environment I went 14 00:01:55,33 --> 00:01:59,77 to school for environmental studies law school friend Byron mental an animal rights 15 00:01:59,78 --> 00:02:01,69 laws. Ph D. 16 00:02:01,73 --> 00:02:05,76 Studies at the University of Pittsburgh that focused around the environment and 17 00:02:05,77 --> 00:02:10,60 I've always just been drawn into this field with an especial love of horses so. 18 00:02:12,32 --> 00:02:12,58 Tell me 19 00:02:12,59 --> 00:02:18,42 a little bit more about your horse stables Yes so above the fray stables is almost 20 00:02:18,43 --> 00:02:23,02 a year old as a physical place as a business with several years old but about 21 00:02:23,03 --> 00:02:24,21 a year ago I leased 22 00:02:24,22 --> 00:02:29,97 a stable and Apollo PE boarding stable we teach lessons out of there we do some 23 00:02:29,98 --> 00:02:33,28 rescue rehabilitation and real helming we have some horse sales some are 24 00:02:33,29 --> 00:02:36,76 commissioned or sales and boarders and it's 25 00:02:36,77 --> 00:02:41,45 a place that my family and I my children can go and enjoy horses and introduce 26 00:02:41,46 --> 00:02:48,42 horses to and lots of people. What do you believe horses do for 27 00:02:48,46 --> 00:02:54,48 people mentally physically spiritually Yeah I think so much and it really depends 28 00:02:54,49 --> 00:03:00,03 on the person and the horse and the person's needs start with physically so being 29 00:03:00,04 --> 00:03:03,89 around horses horseback riding and even doing the daily barn chores is an 30 00:03:03,90 --> 00:03:06,91 enormously good fitness program there's probably not 31 00:03:06,92 --> 00:03:10,79 a better one if you think about carrying the five gallon buckets full of water to 32 00:03:10,80 --> 00:03:15,35 horses or you know moving a twelve hundred pound animal from point A to Point B. 33 00:03:15,58 --> 00:03:19,39 Carrying seventy pound bales of hay and fifty pound bags of feed that's why you're 34 00:03:19,40 --> 00:03:26,40 so fit cause I thank you thank you I know I mean it also uses you know 35 00:03:26,41 --> 00:03:31,41 the time that you spend at the sable working loop is definitely hard physical labor 36 00:03:31,42 --> 00:03:35,33 that you know every muscle group and then get into grooming the horse and tacking 37 00:03:35,34 --> 00:03:39,68 the horse up and riding the horse and all of those are really fantastic for your 38 00:03:39,69 --> 00:03:44,41 fitness right so physically it's good for you it's healthy it's 39 00:03:44,42 --> 00:03:46,69 a basically an outdoor even though we ride 40 00:03:46,70 --> 00:03:48,66 a lot in the indoor arena but it's basically 41 00:03:48,67 --> 00:03:54,54 a healthy outdoor recreation activity where you're bonding with and working with 42 00:03:54,76 --> 00:03:58,94 another living being right so getting on that spiritual level 43 00:03:59,52 --> 00:04:05,29 a lot of. People I think to find an enormous amount of deep satisfaction 44 00:04:05,98 --> 00:04:12,96 personal spirituality or robust spirituality around working with horses regardless 45 00:04:12,97 --> 00:04:16,29 of what religion you come from regardless of your background of guard lists of your 46 00:04:16,30 --> 00:04:19,30 beliefs in every religion you find 47 00:04:19,31 --> 00:04:24,02 a place where horses and people intersect on that's pretty remarkable all 48 00:04:24,03 --> 00:04:27,35 throughout history all throughout history all the route at human history we've 49 00:04:27,36 --> 00:04:30,65 worked with horses all over the world so can you tell me 50 00:04:30,66 --> 00:04:35,88 a little bit about what you have done politically to push the agenda of adolescent 51 00:04:35,89 --> 00:04:41,38 adventure therapy with horses Yeah in the region Yeah so it's you know it's been 52 00:04:41,39 --> 00:04:45,06 a long slow process and we haven't made the type of progress that we would like to 53 00:04:45,07 --> 00:04:51,31 be able to make but certainly have been in touch with the powers that be in the 54 00:04:51,32 --> 00:04:57,00 region in the county and in the city around making sure that people have access and 55 00:04:57,01 --> 00:05:01,31 children have access to horses whether they live in the city or they live in the 56 00:05:01,32 --> 00:05:05,54 country regardless of their economic status you know these are commerce these are 57 00:05:05,55 --> 00:05:06,83 the types of conversations that take 58 00:05:06,84 --> 00:05:12,27 a very very long time just have to and logically exactly and happen and part of 59 00:05:12,28 --> 00:05:17,93 this is you know it wasn't that long ago that horses were pretty prevalent in the 60 00:05:17,94 --> 00:05:20,80 city of Pittsburgh right intially Park there was 61 00:05:20,81 --> 00:05:23,37 a riding stable and unfortunately burned down 62 00:05:23,38 --> 00:05:27,09 a number of years ago yeah you did tell me about that you have River View still has 63 00:05:27,10 --> 00:05:30,82 some horses that you'll find every now and again and some of the county parks have 64 00:05:30,83 --> 00:05:35,92 a lot of course back activities in them North Park hardwood acres and the South 65 00:05:35,93 --> 00:05:41,46 Park for instance all have fairly regular horse activities organized Yeah 66 00:05:41,60 --> 00:05:47,33 absolutely absolutely but in the city as we transitioned to vehicles being our 67 00:05:47,34 --> 00:05:52,54 primary mode of transportation horses sort of move to the wayside and became to 68 00:05:52,55 --> 00:05:56,00 some extent either a rural necessity 69 00:05:56,04 --> 00:06:03,04 a rural hobby or were thought of in the. City as an inconvenience right that I 70 00:06:03,05 --> 00:06:08,45 are running around that is that children are helped so much by being able to 71 00:06:08,46 --> 00:06:13,76 interact with horses and horses into the city to do pony rides which is basically 72 00:06:13,77 --> 00:06:16,47 where you put kids on horses and you lead them around in 73 00:06:16,48 --> 00:06:22,92 a small circle for the urban charter school opening and. The joy and the 74 00:06:22,93 --> 00:06:27,07 gratitude that those kids have the draw they have to those animals and the way they 75 00:06:27,08 --> 00:06:31,02 talk about this for weeks and weeks it goes on or you know goes on and I've seen 76 00:06:31,03 --> 00:06:35,85 this time and time again whether you're working with people that have constant 77 00:06:35,86 --> 00:06:39,50 access to horses or people that only get to touch them once in 78 00:06:39,51 --> 00:06:41,41 a year right and I still have 79 00:06:41,42 --> 00:06:46,70 a passion for exactly what about disabling that excuse me I know that some some 80 00:06:46,71 --> 00:06:49,10 disabled children can experience 81 00:06:49,11 --> 00:06:52,93 a lot of different types of benefits so children with autism and other times with 82 00:06:52,94 --> 00:06:55,00 disabilities can you tell us 83 00:06:55,01 --> 00:07:00,03 a little bit about that yeah absolutely So there's two types of disability on that 84 00:07:00,04 --> 00:07:05,91 spectrum that I would talk about right one of them is more HIPAA therapy where the 85 00:07:05,92 --> 00:07:11,02 facilities that are set up to do riding for people who have physical disabilities 86 00:07:11,53 --> 00:07:16,71 more serious physical disabilities typically have specialized equipment and horses 87 00:07:16,72 --> 00:07:19,46 that are trained to that equipment right so that's 88 00:07:19,47 --> 00:07:23,43 a very different type of riding than we do and there are places in the region that 89 00:07:23,44 --> 00:07:28,19 people can get that kind of therapy typically the wait lists are very long but it's 90 00:07:28,20 --> 00:07:33,74 still worth going out and finding access to that everybody that's done research on 91 00:07:33,75 --> 00:07:38,58 that points to the amazing benefits of help of therapy with the disabled and with 92 00:07:38,59 --> 00:07:45,34 children. The other part of that spectrum are those who have eighty or 93 00:07:45,35 --> 00:07:52,02 autism or like my son have Tourette's Syndrome and the the therapy light 94 00:07:52,06 --> 00:07:56,36 sort of around that of just those children being around those animals there is 95 00:07:56,44 --> 00:08:00,43 again an enormous set of research on the way those children come. Out of their 96 00:08:00,44 --> 00:08:05,86 shells they can interact with those animals they start to feel better they get 97 00:08:05,90 --> 00:08:10,62 a higher self-esteem from being around them and they do better my son for instance 98 00:08:10,63 --> 00:08:15,54 who has Tourette's you don't usually see him tick when he's around as horse one all 99 00:08:15,58 --> 00:08:20,57 right it's all pretty remarkable it's pretty remarkable and he still has massive 100 00:08:20,58 --> 00:08:21,19 A.T.T. 101 00:08:21,20 --> 00:08:25,45 When he's at the stable but when he gets on his horse when he is riding his horse 102 00:08:25,46 --> 00:08:30,31 and he has his own horse he is focused on her and they're playing games and going 103 00:08:30,32 --> 00:08:32,86 on and enters that's wonderful Yeah so there's 104 00:08:32,87 --> 00:08:37,74 a lot of studies on that how it is that horses can improve these psychological 105 00:08:37,78 --> 00:08:44,73 mental disabilities related to autism or Asperger's and I was on that spectrum and 106 00:08:44,74 --> 00:08:48,20 you would definitely suggest that they explore that I would highly suggest that 107 00:08:48,21 --> 00:08:51,28 they explore it that they talk to their therapist they talk to their doctors they 108 00:08:51,29 --> 00:08:55,42 do their reasoning and then they even just find a stable like ours which is only 109 00:08:55,43 --> 00:08:59,73 a half hour outside of the city of Pittsburgh where they can make an appointment to 110 00:08:59,74 --> 00:09:04,50 come out and see if that works for their child yeah OK worth it and yeah instead of 111 00:09:04,54 --> 00:09:05,39 you know taking 112 00:09:05,40 --> 00:09:09,86 a lot of medic medication to try to mask that maybe we can enhance their or their 113 00:09:09,87 --> 00:09:14,61 quality of life connection to other animals in the environment absolutely whether 114 00:09:14,62 --> 00:09:17,91 it's just on the ground petting them or whether they actually get into 115 00:09:17,92 --> 00:09:21,36 a saddle and start to take a lesson or start rider their family gets them 116 00:09:21,37 --> 00:09:27,20 a horse and they're out there all the time it's pretty remarkable Yeah wonderful 117 00:09:27,24 --> 00:09:29,72 Yeah oh it's so exciting so tell me 118 00:09:29,73 --> 00:09:33,88 a little bit about some of the experiences that people have had have you had any 119 00:09:33,89 --> 00:09:38,73 kind of interesting experiences or what they would experience at your stables that 120 00:09:38,86 --> 00:09:41,23 might be different than other places yes so we have something 121 00:09:41,24 --> 00:09:45,83 a little bit different in our stable than a lot of places do I have 122 00:09:45,84 --> 00:09:47,65 a miniature donkey and 123 00:09:47,66 --> 00:09:52,23 a miniature go and I go right around and say that when I was there they basically 124 00:09:52,24 --> 00:09:56,33 free range you know I love I go yeah so I sort of laughingly refer to them as 125 00:09:56,34 --> 00:09:57,18 mountain Jeff they get in 126 00:09:57,19 --> 00:10:04,03 a lot of trouble. Me. We write down you know exactly what you have two little 127 00:10:04,04 --> 00:10:09,41 pot bellied pigs running around so when people get to the stable that I saw by 128 00:10:09,42 --> 00:10:14,67 a big say or so OK Really I really wanted to really like you I'm not sure they 129 00:10:14,68 --> 00:10:15,28 would be happy in 130 00:10:15,29 --> 00:10:18,66 a house they might be better but they're pretty happy at the stable and then you 131 00:10:18,67 --> 00:10:22,09 have the cats and the dogs and you have so many different types of animals it's not 132 00:10:22,10 --> 00:10:25,08 just you know just one type of horse you have 133 00:10:25,09 --> 00:10:29,11 a lot of different Exactly we have many ponies all the way up to really large 134 00:10:29,12 --> 00:10:35,39 horses so when people get out of the car there they get to encounter animals that 135 00:10:35,40 --> 00:10:38,41 maybe say someone in the family when they come out is 136 00:10:38,42 --> 00:10:42,25 a little bit intimidated by horses and the whole family decided to come out because 137 00:10:42,26 --> 00:10:46,35 one person really wants that experience right I remember this when you came out 138 00:10:46,36 --> 00:10:52,00 with your family so the other animals that we have there at that which are really 139 00:10:52,01 --> 00:10:54,27 small when I say I'm a donkey I mean this is 140 00:10:54,28 --> 00:10:59,64 a small small pygmy. OK I mean everybody wants 141 00:10:59,65 --> 00:11:03,53 a pygmy donkey and I think it was even if they don't want to ignite that everybody 142 00:11:03,70 --> 00:11:08,79 I mean I know it's in your lap he gives his kids I mean it's really it's really 143 00:11:08,80 --> 00:11:13,29 endearing it's hard not to love that and kids always say I want to pony I want to 144 00:11:13,30 --> 00:11:19,32 pony that's what they always want they really do get to do something great about 145 00:11:19,91 --> 00:11:24,81 you know these are not really horses I mean it's not a scary right well and it's 146 00:11:24,82 --> 00:11:25,73 a rare pony that's 147 00:11:25,74 --> 00:11:31,55 a saint so the kids that grow up riding ponies can usually handle anything because 148 00:11:31,56 --> 00:11:35,59 they are the ponies are actually difficult you say can be yeah they can be 149 00:11:35,60 --> 00:11:39,94 sometimes yeah but that's why I usually put them on smaller horses instead of 150 00:11:39,95 --> 00:11:45,60 ponies Yeah or senior horses horses that have been there done that that have some 151 00:11:45,61 --> 00:11:47,60 sort of it's not always 152 00:11:47,61 --> 00:11:52,51 a but yeah they're more docile they'll take care of the rider and they're conscious 153 00:11:52,52 --> 00:11:56,79 about who's on their back and they're really careful not to let that person get in 154 00:11:56,83 --> 00:12:02,00 their protective exactly of the writer Exactly yeah. Notice that exceptionally in 155 00:12:02,01 --> 00:12:06,85 the senior Arabian mares that we have they're exceptionally that with children and 156 00:12:06,86 --> 00:12:08,23 with writers that are 157 00:12:08,24 --> 00:12:13,15 a little bit unsure or coming back and writing or new or just there you know 158 00:12:13,16 --> 00:12:16,69 they're just not settled those mares that are you know they've hit their late teens 159 00:12:16,70 --> 00:12:21,39 or early twenty's they really seem to take care of their riders do you train riders 160 00:12:21,40 --> 00:12:26,55 in essence different types of styles so English and we do actually so we have an 161 00:12:26,59 --> 00:12:31,90 English instructor and then we also give lessons in natural horsemanship Western 162 00:12:32,36 --> 00:12:35,29 stats writing but we don't take it all the way into 163 00:12:35,33 --> 00:12:38,89 a discipline per se so it's not as though we have 164 00:12:39,66 --> 00:12:44,53 a specialized school that can help someone become phenomenal at hunter jumper but 165 00:12:44,54 --> 00:12:45,80 we definitely can help 166 00:12:45,81 --> 00:12:50,59 a writer get to the point where they can go to for age or local shows and do fun 167 00:12:50,60 --> 00:12:55,61 show stuff and compete to compete Yeah and compete for ribbons competing I want to 168 00:12:55,62 --> 00:13:00,30 be very clear from most people paying attention that don't know horses there's 169 00:13:00,31 --> 00:13:04,12 a difference between that and competing at like an international level or an 170 00:13:04,13 --> 00:13:06,12 Olympic level or racing 171 00:13:06,13 --> 00:13:09,83 a horse so like the Kentucky Derby you know you sit there start small kind of work 172 00:13:09,84 --> 00:13:13,17 your way I exaggerate exactly you know when you hit that caliber you're probably 173 00:13:13,18 --> 00:13:15,17 looking at a very different kind of stable in 174 00:13:15,18 --> 00:13:20,64 a very different caliber of on of horses that most of what we would have around 175 00:13:20,68 --> 00:13:25,59 right for the butt but for somebody to come out and this their hobby to start off 176 00:13:25,66 --> 00:13:28,51 yeah exactly or to be in the middle of that type of training it's 177 00:13:28,52 --> 00:13:33,37 a good place to go back or to just in Hants you know that horsemanship go out on 178 00:13:33,38 --> 00:13:37,43 a ride ride in the arena and practice your equitation which is your seat and where 179 00:13:37,44 --> 00:13:41,68 your hands are and how the horse man's and get in sync with them and it's indoor 180 00:13:41,69 --> 00:13:44,92 and outdoor writing which is a good thing during the winter so 181 00:13:44,93 --> 00:13:48,04 a lot of people are thinking oh well we can't do this in the winter time but since 182 00:13:48,05 --> 00:13:53,00 you have an indoor stable and people can do this in the winter exactly and or being 183 00:13:53,01 --> 00:13:54,99 a provides that opportunity right now it's not 184 00:13:55,00 --> 00:13:59,38 a heated arena you need to dress for the weather you know your coat Thanks Ira. 185 00:14:00,15 --> 00:14:06,73 Thank you OK thank you but I think it's not going to work so well you're going to 186 00:14:06,74 --> 00:14:12,65 raise but I mean the fact is it's the same as dressing for any winter sport or out 187 00:14:12,69 --> 00:14:16,60 activity right so you're right boots with heels you need clothes that are not going 188 00:14:16,61 --> 00:14:21,67 to catch on the tack of the horse you need to be comfortable gloves can help keep 189 00:14:21,68 --> 00:14:26,08 your hands warm and then we strongly strongly encourage everyone to wear helmets 190 00:14:26,32 --> 00:14:30,78 and do you allow for people to come in and do photos with the horses absolutely we 191 00:14:30,79 --> 00:14:31,07 had 192 00:14:31,08 --> 00:14:35,70 a couple of photo shoots like that arranged for weddings and yeah yeah you provide 193 00:14:35,71 --> 00:14:40,55 horses for carriages for would something so not for carriages because our horses 194 00:14:40,56 --> 00:14:45,89 don't drive away so we don't have the appropriate driving tack or the carriages but 195 00:14:45,90 --> 00:14:52,06 we certainly could provide horses if somebody was. For instance shooting 196 00:14:52,10 --> 00:14:54,42 a movie you know there's 197 00:14:54,43 --> 00:14:59,38 a huge film industry and that's very local film so they could go we had to we could 198 00:14:59,39 --> 00:15:01,83 rent something for that that's for 199 00:15:01,84 --> 00:15:04,09 a photo shoot for weddings we can absolutely have 200 00:15:04,10 --> 00:15:09,57 a stage that wonderful So where do you see above the fray going in the future gap 201 00:15:09,73 --> 00:15:10,08 so that's 202 00:15:10,09 --> 00:15:14,45 a great question so what I'd really like to see above the fray morph into in the 203 00:15:14,46 --> 00:15:19,20 future is having that regional presence that really helps with that therapy right 204 00:15:19,46 --> 00:15:23,32 and therapy from an emotional perspective and 205 00:15:23,76 --> 00:15:29,88 a mental perspective I'm not sure that we would have the set up to do the disabled 206 00:15:29,89 --> 00:15:35,25 riding facilities and you really need very specialized equipment. Including your 207 00:15:35,26 --> 00:15:40,10 for your entire facilities need to be set up that way but where we are able to 208 00:15:40,11 --> 00:15:46,54 provide services to the entire region so that everybody has access to be whiny 209 00:15:46,55 --> 00:15:51,53 experiences to help them out either just to have that experience because it helps 210 00:15:51,54 --> 00:15:55,68 them feel better about themselves or to really have that experience and help them 211 00:15:55,69 --> 00:16:00,57 emotionally or mentally on the path that they're going down wonderful. What 212 00:16:00,58 --> 00:16:05,90 preventions do you see occurring that what could keep you from from achieving these 213 00:16:05,91 --> 00:16:09,49 goals that you have Yeah I mean I think that the only prevention in that is if 214 00:16:09,50 --> 00:16:13,14 there is some political will out there that says no we just don't believe in horses 215 00:16:14,07 --> 00:16:19,57 and you know and I guess the religious right thank you we don't believe in it but 216 00:16:19,58 --> 00:16:23,72 I'm a cherry. Create the thing that's what it is they're not 217 00:16:23,73 --> 00:16:27,75 a thing right you know I mean the fact is that there are some people that are 218 00:16:27,76 --> 00:16:31,92 afraid of horses there are some people that do not like dirt or the mess that comes 219 00:16:31,93 --> 00:16:34,53 with her horses you know you cannot ovoid 220 00:16:34,70 --> 00:16:39,72 a certain level of dirt or mess with horses. But there is something that's 221 00:16:39,73 --> 00:16:43,45 a problem in society right now and it's that people are afraid to get dirty they 222 00:16:43,50 --> 00:16:47,69 don't immerse themselves in nature enough and they don't prescribe that it 223 00:16:47,73 --> 00:16:52,70 especially in many European countries they say the doctor says you need to go 224 00:16:52,71 --> 00:16:56,87 immerse yourself in nature more right and you need to think in America we're kind 225 00:16:57,09 --> 00:17:03,49 of just becoming this type of society that is just you know. Telephone and 226 00:17:03,96 --> 00:17:09,45 Android and you know all these tablet based you know action which really is the 227 00:17:09,46 --> 00:17:11,55 lack there of exact complete lack of 228 00:17:11,59 --> 00:17:15,78 a lack of lack of interaction exactly you know and I can tell you riding horses for 229 00:17:15,79 --> 00:17:20,06 the kids that come and ride horses right in those horses is just as exciting to 230 00:17:20,07 --> 00:17:20,52 them as playing 231 00:17:20,53 --> 00:17:25,25 a video game oh yeah right I mean even more than even my daughter tomorrow she 232 00:17:25,26 --> 00:17:28,80 wants to go back like now and I'm like yeah we're going to do this uptick on 233 00:17:28,81 --> 00:17:30,75 a Sunday so that I had 234 00:17:30,76 --> 00:17:35,78 a little hard to figure out exactly. But I mean I think that the biggest impediment 235 00:17:35,79 --> 00:17:41,18 is just people's misconception that horses can be in an urban environment right and 236 00:17:41,19 --> 00:17:42,93 be just fine and there's 237 00:17:42,94 --> 00:17:47,14 a couple of alternatives there right one is that in the city of Pittsburgh or 238 00:17:47,15 --> 00:17:50,83 somewhere very proximate to we carve out space for 239 00:17:50,84 --> 00:17:56,94 a stable I have seventeen acres out where I am we probably have thirty four thirty 240 00:17:56,95 --> 00:18:01,58 five horses plus donkeys and goats and you know. They're animals on that property 241 00:18:01,76 --> 00:18:05,52 it doesn't take an enormous amount as long as you're managing the property right 242 00:18:05,53 --> 00:18:09,25 and managing the waste and they might be willing to go back and forth between your 243 00:18:09,26 --> 00:18:13,76 current stable as well as another absolute to bring that to the inner city so the 244 00:18:13,77 --> 00:18:18,65 children can become more engaging in that type of therapy exactly and that's what 245 00:18:18,66 --> 00:18:22,26 we've done before is we've trailer the horses in for the experience and then we 246 00:18:22,27 --> 00:18:25,17 trailer them back out so that's not an impediment where 247 00:18:25,18 --> 00:18:28,69 a half hour from Pittsburgh and it's very close there are other stables within 248 00:18:28,93 --> 00:18:32,56 a really close proximity of Pittsburgh the people can have this experience so 249 00:18:32,57 --> 00:18:36,99 whether they come to our stable or they go to another stable home they everybody 250 00:18:37,00 --> 00:18:39,27 should do this everybody should do it at least once 251 00:18:39,28 --> 00:18:44,53 a year you know at least I totally agree so what else can you tell us to wrap up 252 00:18:44,54 --> 00:18:48,79 the show about anything you'd like to say about your future endeavors or about the 253 00:18:48,80 --> 00:18:55,43 stables or the horses Yes So I mean what can I say the horses are amazing 254 00:18:55,76 --> 00:19:02,40 thank you it's and they're awesome minutes 255 00:19:02,62 --> 00:19:06,79 I mean it's it's it's a little overwhelming when you're working with 256 00:19:06,80 --> 00:19:10,56 a horse to understand that this is an animal multiple times you're so high is that 257 00:19:10,57 --> 00:19:17,06 is working with you alongside of you right. It's amazing to ride it's an 258 00:19:17,07 --> 00:19:21,30 amazing feeling I understand that there are some people that are afraid of horses 259 00:19:21,48 --> 00:19:26,59 that's OK there are miniature horses that we can introduce you to or the miniature 260 00:19:26,60 --> 00:19:29,97 donkey and and I'm using my hands to talk about this because literally that we're 261 00:19:29,98 --> 00:19:33,61 talking knee height or head height here right it's you know it's hard to be afraid 262 00:19:33,62 --> 00:19:34,86 of something that's the height of you know 263 00:19:35,03 --> 00:19:40,69 a little tiny little. Some of those really small horses we can put toddlers on and 264 00:19:40,70 --> 00:19:44,77 lead them around there's no such thing as too young there's no such thing as too 265 00:19:44,78 --> 00:19:50,10 old to be more open minded that's what you're saying again at least try and see if 266 00:19:50,11 --> 00:19:53,95 it works out exactly and again if you're not coming to our stable for 267 00:19:53,96 --> 00:19:58,41 a lesson go so I or go somewhere find one of the stables that gives trail rides you 268 00:19:58,42 --> 00:20:04,02 know group trail rides. That fantastic experience or that the great great way to 269 00:20:04,03 --> 00:20:09,47 spend your time and and we welcome everybody at above the fray so no impediments 270 00:20:09,57 --> 00:20:16,46 still. To anybody and saying hey I'm interested in having an experience. I 271 00:20:16,47 --> 00:20:20,68 love your passion I know that that's your purpose and I really appreciate it and 272 00:20:20,69 --> 00:20:23,71 think you so much for coming on the show you're very very welcome and we look 273 00:20:23,72 --> 00:20:28,40 forward to seeing everybody out and above the fray stable some wonderful and I want 274 00:20:28,41 --> 00:20:33,03 to say thank you so much to our sponsor into into do shy monad hair products. 275 00:21:27,50 --> 00:21:32,55 Highly consider. The mattress factory it's 276 00:21:32,56 --> 00:21:37,05 a look at the north side I'm joined by the co-director Mr Michael I read it's very 277 00:21:37,06 --> 00:21:37,30 good. 278 00:21:51,51 --> 00:21:54,61 Anything even if it's sticky to that side of. 279 00:21:58,52 --> 00:22:03,00 It was your what. Come to the north side it was here when everyone was scared of 280 00:22:03,01 --> 00:22:07,56 her side and the mattress factory changed this neighborhood and it changed this 281 00:22:07,57 --> 00:22:11,79 neighborhood apart it changed this neighborhood by ear and expanded into the 282 00:22:11,80 --> 00:22:15,55 neighborhood and bring the people to the neighborhood to change this neighborhood 283 00:22:15,56 --> 00:22:19,54 by understanding that diversity is something that this neighborhood started up with 284 00:22:19,60 --> 00:22:25,66 and it eats so we're really here for the long term matricide was not going anywhere 285 00:22:25,86 --> 00:22:29,51 or make her want you to come here and see major sectors really different because 286 00:22:29,52 --> 00:22:33,97 before we focus on the creation of new work so I this come here from all over the 287 00:22:33,98 --> 00:22:38,63 world also artist it's her and we hope to make large scale projects and I always 288 00:22:38,64 --> 00:22:42,80 say why this is not about hard to spot life or this about kind of how I'm hard to 289 00:22:42,81 --> 00:22:46,61 see is the time that they're living in So it's really cool to get an artist from 290 00:22:46,62 --> 00:22:51,60 Cuba or an artist from India or an artist from like Lawrenceville and talk about 291 00:22:51,70 --> 00:22:55,26 their lives and that's really what it's kind of translating what they're thinking 292 00:22:55,27 --> 00:22:56,00 about showing it's 293 00:22:56,01 --> 00:22:59,33 a movement way sometimes we invite curators to come here and do expressions 294 00:22:59,63 --> 00:23:04,27 sometimes because of what's happening in the world we go somewhere you know let it 295 00:23:04,28 --> 00:23:07,49 out in Eastern Europe but does not equal time to go to Eastern Europe to see what 296 00:23:07,50 --> 00:23:12,16 these artists who came out you know we were kind of when George Bush was president 297 00:23:12,85 --> 00:23:16,66 and Bakey closed up at the borders of Cuba we thought isn't that interesting time 298 00:23:16,67 --> 00:23:20,29 to kind of particular an artist to see what's going on there and how they feel 299 00:23:20,30 --> 00:23:25,10 about that we also do that every five years we do a call for it just so we invite 300 00:23:25,11 --> 00:23:28,44 a artist from all over the world to send us their kind of push for you know those 301 00:23:28,79 --> 00:23:32,17 we choose them from their previous work and when they get there we doing what. 302 00:23:49,55 --> 00:23:54,60 I think the matches centuries different because it is just have totally experienced 303 00:23:54,67 --> 00:24:00,70 cases that literally step into our. Budget to match section. Means you're going to 304 00:24:00,74 --> 00:24:06,17 meet artists international artists they come here they stay with us and as it stays 305 00:24:06,26 --> 00:24:13,22 really yeah which is simple so it's it's mixed. And it's not just 306 00:24:13,23 --> 00:24:17,61 pleasing on the hours of shows on the stalls it sounds full experience as 307 00:24:17,62 --> 00:24:24,21 a full moon so it's. Celebrating our fortieth year it's forty years and so 308 00:24:24,68 --> 00:24:25,67 this fall there will be 309 00:24:26,19 --> 00:24:31,39 a forty year special exhibition with an iris returning that I'm exhibiting here 310 00:24:31,40 --> 00:24:32,48 before so it's 311 00:24:32,49 --> 00:24:39,45 a bit that kids. Know the name of the stones the mattress factory and 312 00:24:39,46 --> 00:24:44,40 so many kind of this leading names so well why is that the name of this building so 313 00:24:44,41 --> 00:24:47,32 there's a funny thing with just the mattress factory was just 314 00:24:47,33 --> 00:24:53,59 a joke just big question our judgment from it was exactly. What contemporary art 315 00:24:53,60 --> 00:24:57,81 was even the city of Pittsburgh is the pastor of stones in Boston but it was the 316 00:24:57,82 --> 00:25:01,21 mountains factory and the last thing this company rose was history is 317 00:25:01,22 --> 00:25:05,93 a poster mattress company system and they make believe it's not like we kept the 318 00:25:05,94 --> 00:25:09,83 name we keep on calling it the my perspective sometimes we call it the factory and 319 00:25:09,88 --> 00:25:14,28 it's just stuff that was too late for us to change it in sixty minutes what it was 320 00:25:14,47 --> 00:25:21,42 is me. So despite its name the 321 00:25:21,43 --> 00:25:23,14 mattress factory is actually not 322 00:25:23,15 --> 00:25:29,11 a place where you sell numbers and so until you tell me any from experience with 323 00:25:29,12 --> 00:25:32,58 a new community members who may not understand the difference between actual 324 00:25:32,59 --> 00:25:39,51 business Yes well here in general matches factory that actually makes betting and 325 00:25:39,59 --> 00:25:45,36 read off often get cars i Phones you know people looking for mattresses things 326 00:25:45,37 --> 00:25:51,33 a week you know all the other features it's not it's not rare that we are mistaken 327 00:25:51,34 --> 00:25:51,51 for 328 00:25:51,63 --> 00:26:50,40 a place actions just. Since 329 00:26:50,40 --> 00:26:50,40 . 330 00:27:17,72 --> 00:27:21,39 I'm just here in New York Benjamin's birth of her Western at. 331 00:27:27,11 --> 00:27:29,59 Benjamin's is a laid back bar we're not 332 00:27:29,60 --> 00:27:35,21 a fancy place we like people come in LAX eat some food have some laughs just have 333 00:27:35,22 --> 00:27:35,79 a nice enjoy. 334 00:27:45,95 --> 00:27:50,70 Our people one of the best breakfasts burgers in the city in Pittsburgh got 335 00:27:50,71 --> 00:27:56,03 everything you need for your breakfast. Take it home fries some. 336 00:27:59,37 --> 00:28:06,24 Really don't get me wrong. I think you're going to 337 00:28:06,25 --> 00:28:10,43 taste good because it has to be fun that's kind of pricey it's 338 00:28:10,44 --> 00:28:13,55 a birthday gift for those you don't know what 339 00:28:13,56 --> 00:28:19,82 a good gig is basically sunnyside up so that when you get close for anything into 340 00:28:19,83 --> 00:28:20,66 it breaks to you. 341 00:28:28,36 --> 00:28:33,23 The best first impression first because for me the center of the search going 342 00:28:33,47 --> 00:28:33,58 through 343 00:28:33,59 --> 00:28:39,21 a very brisk as our mix and I think that really distinguishes our burger flavors 344 00:28:39,31 --> 00:28:46,31 far from all the other places in the city. Everything is people always 345 00:28:46,32 --> 00:28:52,30 getting news from people that are coming. From tourism or just visiting As for the 346 00:28:52,31 --> 00:28:54,68 coming days. Really makes my job 347 00:28:54,69 --> 00:29:04,91 a body to interact. With the best. 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