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Hello everyone I'd like to welcome you to
the regularly scheduled April seventh two

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thousand and fourteen planning commission
meeting. First I'd like to start with

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a roll call. Chair Brown present
commissioner Cooper here Commissioner Gordon

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commissioner Campbell here Commissioner.
Question of I don't knows here missioner

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Evans. Great thank you. Commissioner
Campbell would you leave dismissed

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with that. I believe to the United

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States of America and republic for
which it stands one nation under God

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indivisible with liberty.

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Thank you first fall like to go through
administrative business first is the

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approval of the order of the agenda.

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Sure eventual motion to
approve second. Do I have

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a vote. The

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order of agenda is approved for to nothing.
Next is the approval of the minutes

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dated March seventeenth two thousand and
fourteen. Commissioner vowed of us ocean

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to appear. Also to the
motion. Great let's have

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a vote. Thank

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you next designation of liaison
to the city council meeting on.

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The next Monday April fourteenth two thousand
and fourteen there is one eyed him of

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interest this is not something that the
planning commission acted on but we did

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hold a study session on the Palmetto
design guidelines if you recall

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a few months ago it's finally made its way
to the council for action so if there

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was

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a commissioner who was interested in attending
on behalf of the Planning Commission

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that might be helpful. And that is
you all attend fantastic thank you.

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As there are no consent items will move
on to the public hearing. Specific plan

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S.P. Dash one for

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a Dash one three filed by the applicant
Harvey. On behalf of the owner

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Julie Hsu to construct

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a three story single family dwelling of
twenty four hundred square feet with

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a detached excess rebuilding on

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a vacant lot at three to three feral on
Avenue A P N zero zero nine zero eight five

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two eight zero recommended sequel status
exempt proposed action approved as

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conditions. Would the applicant
like to present. Their

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staff report thank you very much evening
chair Brown and commissioners before you

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tonight is

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a project consisting of one single family
dwelling on an infield vacant lot in the

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Fairmont neighborhood proposed to I will
be three stories an approximate thirty

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five feet in height the proposed living
area for the drawing is two thousand four

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hundred square feet and in attached two
car garage of nine hundred square feet is

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also proposed

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a large canary. Exists on the neighbor's
property next to the subject say since

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this tree is considered

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a heritage tree and Iris report has been
provided and the mitigation measures are

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required as stated in condition of approval
number two subjects that is located in

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Fairlawn Avenue so additional design
guidelines apply applicants written response

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regarding how this project has satisfied
those guidelines plus the guidelines

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themselves are attached as attachment the
conditions of approval include street

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paving across a friend of the lot a new
parking bay in the public right of way and

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a sidewalk to connect to the sidewalk on
each side of the property staff recommends

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approval of the project because the
project isn't scaling compatible with the

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neighborhood staff's opinion the design
of the project is appropriate for the

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Fairmont neighborhood neighborhood in
addition the project does satisfy all the

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developments tenders required and fairly
on Avenue design guidelines recommended

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for

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a single family dwelling on the subject
that concludes my presentation. Thank you

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any questions for staff and I can't tell
if I cleared these buttons or not group.

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Can assure Cooper I have a couple
questions for you the lot coverage and

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a set backs for this solarium
building it looks to be on

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a foundation What are the setbacks
for an outbuilding in this location.

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This step back to the side and rear. Minimum
required is actually eighteen inches.

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Because it's not house it's not living
area so they can in the rear setback they

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can do as little as eighteen inch units
that backside and rear so in this case the

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fact that they're five feet is. Much more
than we allow in the celeb doesn't count

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as far as the coverage area is concerned
counts as part of law coverage yes as part

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of the forty percent coverage yes it was
I take into account here yes. And then

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what is there with the sidewalk on first
year I notice that. Has that parking bay

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there's

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a very narrow sidewalk I was curious
what that with should be I think there's

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probably

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a required minimum amount that will be
handled by engineering degree it does look

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pretty narrow I don't know I'm guessing
it's probably in the three for

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a foot range but whatever is approved.
It will be to the requirements as

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engineering that area is definitely the
public right of way so it's engineering

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this writer is stiction and then I last
question I had was for the lot of these

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projects that we've seen the forest have

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a water containment area associated with
them so rather than putting the rainwater

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into the storm drain they go into

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a system and they percolate down
I don't see that in here is that

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a requirement or is that just. It's not

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a requirement that I am aware of.
That is something I believe the

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applicant was prepared to respond to I did
talk to him about it earlier today. So

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he can think and if he showed up and
also there's any questions about the

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aquaponics beyond what I've mentioned
years prepaid prepared to discuss that as

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well. Thank you it's all the questions
I. Thank you I have one question. Is

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can three is that a new condition
or is it just one I've read

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a lot of times and not caught. Before for
the full cash deposit of five thousand

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shall be submitted prior
to the issuance of

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a building permit. Actually that wasn't
supposed to be in there I apologize it was

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something we had talked about years ago for
some other projects and I had talked to

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George about it and I apologize. Let me
amend that to say that that should be

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eliminated it was something we used to
do number of years ago when there were

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issues with

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a lot of construction happening and it is
something that's allowed for the design

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guidelines right but in this particular
case we didn't think it was something

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necessary there's not

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a lot of development going on in that area
so we didn't think it was necessary and

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I meant to remove it great thank
you for catching that actually. OK

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since there's no more questions for staff
with the applicant like to present. And I

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believe you have. Ten minutes.

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Good evening Commissioner some. J.C.

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Engineering an AI have

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a few visual aids that are going to help
us. Share with you the concept of these I

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. Do your question yes indeed we
do have our rainwater harvesting

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system that is incorporated on the plans
and I'll be happy to show them for you so

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if I may take

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a couple of seconds to get the
system going great thank you. I

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can hear. The computer

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a little better I'm going to start by
showing you where the drainage system is

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so that way if there is any questions or
concerns. We can clarify and right now.

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On this portion of the driveway
here if you see the. Pipes.

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Are going to provide five hundred. Capacity
of storage all the storm drain is going

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to be connected to that system in water
can be available for locally recreation

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body if. Needed there in winter time.

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Hold the north capacity in such

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a way that the water that is going to the
main storm drain system is exactly the

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same water that will be
going. To take place so the.

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Code requires that water out flowing from
the site should be the same after the

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development so that's what we have taken
into consideration in putting. This story

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on the driveway out of
sight. He said to maintain

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a very accessible.

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I apologize it's. My can
hear it's not they say.

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It try to get what.

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I'm not exactly sure. What
happened in here. Kamin kind of in

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a strange angle the intent
of this video was to give

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a visual of what fair alone of

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a new looks right now.
If anything what we have

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a very diverse architectural setting
we have homes. With different

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type of varying from two
more than two. California

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flavors I would say is

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a very eclectic neighborhood
by all means. D.C.

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Without whom you take out of the
way and go back to spend or steal.

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This is

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a picture of the site as
currently exist is. The stars

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are about twenty to twenty five degrees
from the street and then. To the rear

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section when we started thinking about
what we could do with the sign to

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meet the gate those. Those conditions
the first thing that we took into

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consideration was what Ferran
Ave looks like in the sense of

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a narrow street and how. Guidelines
for the sign in. Buildings are

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given by the city so the first
element that we had it was

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a twenty foot said back. With

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a presentation themselves. They initially
signed that we can see there it had

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a twenty foot set back so that the home
would have been set away from the street to

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provide for some additional parking
Unfortunately when we did the National

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calculations for

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a. Third to be excavated. Over
fourteen hundred cubic yards

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we had

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a retaining walls that were on the eighteen
to nineteen foot so therefore we decided

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to abandon that idea instead. We
moved the how they house forward.

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From property line. Cities allowed by the
regulations and then by doing so which we

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were able to do this was
the new set back. From

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fourteen hundred cubic yards to about six
hundred fifty yards within minutes the

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height of the retaining walls from eight
hundred feet up we had before to about ten

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feet and then we had their wallets back
we feel that with this type of the

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sign we not only of reducing the impact
on the neighborhood by diminishing the

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excavation. How much function and much
better the sign different of the building

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we incorporated some architectural elements
so that the said backside are required

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from every store so we have
to rise here and we have

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a foot said back and then they said back
to the front of the building saw the

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building follow the guidelines for fair
along the bill that each level needs to be

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pushed back. And that if needed any
cantilevering needs to be drawn towards the

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rear which is what we did in this section
delivering just enough to achieve the

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floor area that we needed without. Eliminating
the ventilation that is needed for

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these ground area.

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There after we have started thinking about
what. The building would should look

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like in whatever the better
conditions are. For our site and the

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site.

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This is not. There we go.

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There OK So on this I plan. To
follow the shape of the property.

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Trying to preserve as much as possible.
Where it was important to have it we have

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a triangular corner there Where are is
difficult to access but it's an area that

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is very visible and workarounds
gaping can be incorporated. In use in

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in make the site a lot more. An improvement
for the neighborhood we are using

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a flatter off going to use

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a wood roof for energy efficiency
we are very well. Section

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in the front here and then we'll have.
Our pop Onyx in here basically they are

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pointing. To

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a combination of you see in the growing
plants taking advantage. Of the organic

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matter of these posed
by the fish so we have

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a system where there is no. Charge in the.

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Contaminated water because that is the
feed in for the for the growing of the

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plants later on if you're interested I
have more information regarding the Apple

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products elements so with that in mind we
said OK well what are we going to do with

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the building so. Our initial
concept for the building.

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Came something like that so we were
thinking of different shapes and forms

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trying to preserve the articulation of the
building in something that will feet in

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the neighborhood we have such a diverse
architecture that we felt that

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a more the building would be probably the
most appropriate element for the site.

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To get

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a little arrows for changing here. One
second and again my apologies on the. Thing

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is.

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That it's

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a little render view of the building how
the materials are going to work together

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our intent is to have

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a main portal for they were right. There
on front of the garage we have to take

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that provides some privacy for the use
of the ground floor and then there is

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a wind shield protection in here that
makes this space I actually very useful.

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Some other view that indicates a
combination of materials so we have

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a talk. Different finishes on this section
and we have. On the next level in there

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these view here indicates these sloped
section of the glass which is going to be

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basically like

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a winter flecked or. Just different
views of the building on how we're

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incorporating different elements we have
the main element here the growth of this

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section and then we bring the same material
around the sides of the building so

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that it brings. Articulation
in maintaining the

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architectural appearance of we're trying
to achieve. This is us we're walking

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towards the entry of the building this
stairs were on grade and that's where the

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point where the retaining walls has been

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a little taller invisible to get to the
rear section this is the access to the

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building and this is the elevator
tower. And outside the reg view as

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you're coming up from the street access
in the main. Entrance to the building and

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then as we're walking towards the rear.
Exactly the right elevation of the building

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and then we're walking towards the section
where there is going to be installed so

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basically this area is going to provide
area for the growing of the vegetables in

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all the plants as well of this fish tanks
that are going to provide the water in

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the nutrients for pay for the plants are
going to be placed in there so the.

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Next it's only twelve feet max will you see
in glass throughout so that it will be

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. Least intrusive to the
neighborhood whatever is built.

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Inside it will actually be looking like

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a landscape. This is us we're walking in
from the back of the house towards the

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front. This is the level from their point
I mean reaching the third level of the

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building. And they were basically walking
towards their rice the beloved site

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elevation of the building where are some
of the same architectural details are

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implemented for consistency.
The section here for

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better view of how the windshields are
used in here to make the day more useful.

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In. View that we have here so
basically that's what the house

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looks. On our review I'm going to show
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with neighboring hammers is.

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Basically we have to the for an
architectural is tiles and then Jed will

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incorporate in another one but anything
that brings flavor to the neighborhood we

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have this tree which we went to great
lengths to preserve it in if follow the

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directions of the arborist report to maintain
that as part of the landscaping we're

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going to have

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a parking bay on this section here
in the. Department require the

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sidewalk to be bent around the parking
bays cds drawn in there in the older

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homes maybe their rendition here doesn't
quite clearly show how that east road on

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the drawing on the side. Is clearly
that peaked so we have a driveway

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a landscape here and we
feel that we have achieved

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a home and it's going to be bringing value
to the area is going to be very. Green

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It certainly will be conform with all the
requirements of the two thousand and

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thirteen California Green go in I mean their
own areas completely. To make these I

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mean one of the reasons of the aquaponics
is because of how green that he seemed to

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say and so you're cultivating your green
clean good food conserving water.

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So if you do have any questions if you
have any. Information that I can pass on I

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would be more than happy to answer those
but I said I believe that we have

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a product that he's actually police but
also meets old acreage requirements.

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And he will be admitting has been for
the area thank you. Thank you have

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a question from Commissioner Cooper.
Can you turn off your project.

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Were you doing there are
those real neighbors or.

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Just. Me this is this is
just projector that stand

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a minute George. I just have

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a couple questions for you you know what
my questions obviously Was it looks like

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it's right near the roof line.
Which is nice by the way it was

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a very nice presentation thank you
thank you. The driveway is that

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a pervious driveway or just plain pavement
in that area it seems like you'd want to

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recapture more of the water. Where they.

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Were going to. Be. However they are.

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Going to be. OK. I did notice from your
presentation was the. Light poles along

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the side of the house that might be very
distracting for the neighbor so you might

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want to take

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a look at that as well so you had some light
standard sticking up all the way along

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the side of the house so that was a
common of mine might be might be

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a little distracting for everybody else
having that that light really apply as you

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go along the other thing that we had
talked about. Presented to us was having

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a front door facing the roadway and I
notice that. There are some other homes in

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the area that do have that but you have
your garage door that you have that side

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door that right faces the driveway. You
need if you could nice if you could like

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incorporate that maybe into

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a side so you don't see it visually from
the street it makes it look. And I would

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just try to get away from I guess the door
sides being right on the street it looks

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looks interesting. The other
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That was the rainwater harvesting.

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Any other questions for the
three issues. Is there

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anybody the audience that would like to
speak regarding this project if so please

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some speakers card. In the
back you can do it afterwards.

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And you have three minutes to address
this. Good evening. My husband

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live on beach for you haven't heard directly
above the proposed development. We're

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very happy to welcome new neighbors. And I
mean enjoyed the presentation I thought

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it was very informative I do have
a question I apologize we were

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a few minutes late. To the meeting
and I missed the beginning. Is that.

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Her presentation I am ignorant of
what is and that little. Thing is

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going to be closest to our house. I
appreciated that it was kept low.

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To the roofline as was previously commented
but I just I don't know what it is I

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don't know what it does I don't know what
happens when it falls apart other than

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the fish go sliding down the hillside so
I would but that's our question what on

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earth is it what's it for what's the
purpose of it. Thank you you thank.

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Please address that question.

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Separately. The purpose of that.
As I mentioned before you can

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cultivate your own. Nowadays
it's so hard to go to

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some places and. These two and it has made

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a career individuals already recreated
within correctly water this is

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a system that provides

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a kind of safety net for your.
Well being these systems are

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becoming more and more popular because
they're easy to maintain they are they

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produce high quality nutrients and food
with vegetables and fish in all so they

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have failed by a system. Working there are

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a drainage systems that are. Diverted
into the sewer system so. They are.

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Getting to

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a level where. Three four fish
tanks three correctly put. A

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fairly well thought process and
will be signed I think it provides

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a not only benefit of growing your
own food in place in there but also

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a. Section of the landscape in because of
the appearance that has. Seen through the

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glass I'm not sure that question. A brand

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name in noise not there are.
And there are actually many

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in manufacturers and differ in
systems that work that way. There is

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a lot of phone line information and as I
said I have some additional information if

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you're interested in here but I can
show you some images for it. So is this

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a prefabricated building that comes out or
is this something you're developing from

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scratch. He's one you need
that he's pretty manufacture.

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He's. A material the system to do that.

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Mr Campbell. Motor running I'm
just curious about the sound

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there are. Two late in the water
but they're very very quiet.

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You don't have any Everything is
driven with. A small electric motor.

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There's really no noise generated and.

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Nothing like that just pops that
circulation of the water creates

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a whole different elation that he's needed
for the water there so then and then of

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course there is

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a controlled temperature that he's maintaining
inside for the proper growth of It's

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OK so it's

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a greenhouse spit is
certainly. OK Thank you. Just

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to comment I appreciate that you took
into consideration the excavation and the

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plants seem to fit in so much better with
the lowered retaining walls than the

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original first plan and. I
appreciate that thank you thank you.

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OK Thank you I'll bring this back to the
commission are there any other questions

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or comments that you would like to produce
to staff with the opposite at this point

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we're. Seeing Are we ready for

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a motion. Mr Cooper like made

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a motion to fund the project exam from C.

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Quote proves most if it planned S P one
four eight one three by dropping the

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attached resolution proposed single family
dwelling at three twenty three four on

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Avenue including additions
of approval and exhibit

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a striking out condition number three
incorporate all maps and testimonies into the

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record by reference. I'll
second that thank you and have

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a vote. That motion passes

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for zero thank you very
much. Other agenda items.

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Excuse me. Anyone agree by the action of
the Planning Commission has ten calendar

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days to appeal the decision in writing
to the city council if any of the above

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actions are challenged in court issues may
be raised are limited to those raised at

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the public hearing were in written
correspondence to live or to the city at or

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prior to the public hearing judicial review
of any city administrative decision may

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only be had if

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a petition is filed with the court not
later than the ninetieth day following the

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date upon which the decision becomes
final. Judicial review the environmental

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determinations may be subject to

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a shorter time period for litigation in
certain cases thirty days following the

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date of the final decision thank you. On
other agenda items I see none and now we

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move on to communications are there
any commission communications.

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Yes. It's sort of think this is Planning
Commission related but I did go out on the

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opening of the devil slide trail the opening
day and if anybody has the opportunity

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to go out there it was absolutely
beautiful so everybody should take the

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opportunity got out there thanks. How
long is that make. We didn't go the

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whole way. We only went to the top Great
thank you Christian Campbell how would

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like to say congratulations and welcome
to our new Chair Thank you very much. Any

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staff communications nothing additional
This Time. Now is time for oral

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communications this portion of the agenda
is available to the public to address the

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planning commission on any issue within
the subject matter jurisdiction of the

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commission that is not on the agenda the
time allowed for any speaker will be three

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minutes. And seeing I'd
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a move to adjourn. For

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a survey to Los ocean to adjourn.
All so I can. Let's have

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a vote. And that passes for
zero this meeting is adjourned

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thank you very much you're on.
The. Voter laws just like so easy.