1 00:00:00,90 --> 00:00:06,36 Well. Any commission meeting for Tuesday September eighth two thousand and fifteen 2 00:00:06,36 --> 00:00:07,99 . Can we have 3 00:00:07,100 --> 00:00:14,29 a roll call please. Chair commissioner Brown 4 00:00:15,85 --> 00:00:22,47 commissioner your commissioner Cooper acting chair Gordon here Commissioner 5 00:00:22,48 --> 00:00:27,63 Evans Resident Commissioner got us here. OK great. 6 00:00:29,72 --> 00:00:32,96 Commissioner Evans could you please lead us in the slip to the flag. 7 00:00:53,51 --> 00:01:00,29 OK And moving on to the administrative business we've got an agenda 8 00:01:00,80 --> 00:01:01,21 do I see 9 00:01:01,22 --> 00:01:06,51 a motion to approve the order of agenda Yes Commissioner Evans moved to approve the 10 00:01:06,52 --> 00:01:10,54 order agenda commission enabling second OK please vote. 11 00:01:15,21 --> 00:01:21,32 And that motion passes for to zero. Moving on to the minutes let's see we've got 12 00:01:21,33 --> 00:01:26,64 two different minutes and I'm not sure we've got what it takes going to be able to 13 00:01:26,65 --> 00:01:31,15 act on either one excellent So let's just skip on over that we're. 14 00:01:33,25 --> 00:01:36,85 Moving on to let's see is there a need for a lease on to 15 00:01:36,86 --> 00:01:42,79 a city council meeting upcoming The commission previously appoint Campbell for 16 00:01:42,80 --> 00:01:47,92 a seven eleven and that was continued to the fourteenth so I don't believe. That 17 00:01:47,93 --> 00:01:52,99 that would create I'm sure Commissioner Campbell would be. Able and willing to 18 00:01:53,36 --> 00:01:58,81 attend that meeting. Moving on to the next to the next section of today's meeting 19 00:01:59,51 --> 00:02:03,40 World Communications this portion of the agenda is available to the public to 20 00:02:03,41 --> 00:02:06,86 address the planning commission on any issue within the subject matter jurisdiction 21 00:02:06,90 --> 00:02:11,16 of the commission that is not on the agenda time allowed for any speaker will be 22 00:02:11,17 --> 00:02:18,00 three minutes and let's see we've got to we've got one 23 00:02:18,04 --> 00:02:23,31 one card here Dan. Steady. 24 00:02:36,75 --> 00:02:41,93 Are we. Are we ready to press Theall button here for three minutes. 25 00:02:44,18 --> 00:02:51,15 OK Go ahead sir. Only the clock says two forty one just heads up thank you my 26 00:02:51,16 --> 00:02:56,67 name is. Like sledgehammer and Quake incorporated. So you're hearing me tonight 27 00:02:56,68 --> 00:02:58,91 commissioners that small group of guys in 28 00:02:58,92 --> 00:03:03,69 a bit more conversation here. Attach what you find is 29 00:03:03,70 --> 00:03:08,62 a second set of documents building way out for the five or five Linamar Boulevard 30 00:03:09,07 --> 00:03:13,74 David Luiz Valero station for you out of his second page the very bottom item is 31 00:03:13,96 --> 00:03:19,02 allowance new canopy should be raised to allow truck route and there are currently 32 00:03:19,03 --> 00:03:20,97 there's no semi trucks allowed it's 33 00:03:20,98 --> 00:03:25,25 a low it's passenger vehicle only there it's going to bring in 34 00:03:25,26 --> 00:03:30,43 a ton of loud diesel trucks in the middle of the night for that it's immediately 35 00:03:30,44 --> 00:03:30,88 adjacent to 36 00:03:30,89 --> 00:03:36,70 a residential neighborhood it's immediately thirty feet from my property. There's 37 00:03:36,71 --> 00:03:43,70 also no setbacks. Essential. Twenty two 38 00:03:43,71 --> 00:03:45,25 feet from my back door is going to be 39 00:03:45,26 --> 00:03:52,08 a high seven eleven wall. And 40 00:03:52,09 --> 00:03:59,00 there if you look on the final page there there's kind of. The layout of 41 00:03:59,01 --> 00:04:03,62 there in the homes that it's going to block the views on there. Right now as the 42 00:04:03,63 --> 00:04:06,79 trucks go by you know you can hear them in the in the middle of the night but there 43 00:04:06,80 --> 00:04:10,73 is absolutely the way the entrance is set up there is the entrance only off 44 00:04:10,74 --> 00:04:14,71 a limb or Boulevard heading towards the one on one which means they would have to 45 00:04:14,72 --> 00:04:16,00 to make a U. 46 00:04:16,01 --> 00:04:22,33 Turn through the media and some ice to get under there and right now frequently 47 00:04:22,34 --> 00:04:27,80 it's backed up to Dell DELL solo there on the weekend so it's going to be another 48 00:04:27,81 --> 00:04:31,76 cluster there and basically you know the length of 49 00:04:31,77 --> 00:04:34,15 a semi truck is wider the length of 50 00:04:34,16 --> 00:04:39,05 a semi truck trailer is wider than that but two lanes there are going to Marble 51 00:04:39,06 --> 00:04:40,77 guard so I think that's going to cause 52 00:04:40,78 --> 00:04:46,74 a lot of problems and if there's any update as to when I know that and the first 53 00:04:46,78 --> 00:04:50,67 mention we got of building the marble lot of five or five. When 54 00:04:50,68 --> 00:04:54,20 a marble voted to even lose was August fourteenth two thousand and fourteen over 55 00:04:54,21 --> 00:05:00,34 a year ago so if there's any news on that we'd love to hear thank you. Thank you 56 00:05:01,49 --> 00:05:06,51 for that. OK I don't see. 57 00:05:08,97 --> 00:05:15,27 Any other folks wishing to speak for this section of world 58 00:05:15,28 --> 00:05:22,24 communications so I'm going to close that and move on to. The We've 59 00:05:22,25 --> 00:05:27,21 got to consent items first is. C.D.P. 60 00:05:27,22 --> 00:05:32,64 Dash three three six thirteen extension of permit filed by Neal copping to 61 00:05:32,65 --> 00:05:33,10 construct 62 00:05:33,11 --> 00:05:37,89 a four hundred square foot addition to an existing three storey dwelling at one one 63 00:05:37,90 --> 00:05:44,66 one can road the proposed action is to grant the one year extension. Do we have 64 00:05:44,67 --> 00:05:51,54 a staff reported or should we just go with the consideration item OK So this is the 65 00:05:51,55 --> 00:05:57,03 consent agenda just. Both I guess. That's 66 00:05:57,04 --> 00:06:03,52 a wonderful suggestion is does anybody have any objections to that. Sure 67 00:06:03,66 --> 00:06:06,39 Commissioner Evans I'm not sure of the right timing and I just have 68 00:06:06,40 --> 00:06:11,90 a question Has anything changed on these two since originally I read through it and 69 00:06:11,91 --> 00:06:15,73 didn't seem like anything's changed that is correct nothing has changed on either 70 00:06:15,74 --> 00:06:21,92 of those projects Thank you. Just. 71 00:06:25,83 --> 00:06:32,41 That's correct the ownership changed one eleven can't read that it's true. OK 72 00:06:33,25 --> 00:06:37,21 All good questions so anybody want to make 73 00:06:37,22 --> 00:06:43,69 a motion. Commission member I'll move approval of the consent to gender items 74 00:06:44,56 --> 00:06:46,12 thank you and do we have 75 00:06:46,13 --> 00:06:52,11 a second yes Commissioner Evans also in their motion OK for the motion 76 00:06:52,12 --> 00:06:59,06 a second please vote. That motion 77 00:06:59,07 --> 00:07:06,00 passes for Disease. Moving on to the public hearing we have no 78 00:07:06,01 --> 00:07:11,46 public hearing items we have one consideration item which is the planning permit 79 00:07:11,89 --> 00:07:12,16 which is 80 00:07:12,17 --> 00:07:18,01 a presentation by staff regarding the planning permit process this is part two. 81 00:07:21,95 --> 00:07:23,14 We have a we also of 82 00:07:23,15 --> 00:07:29,17 a card and I don't know if it's the right do we have do we do we take speakers for 83 00:07:29,18 --> 00:07:34,06 this item Yes you can take public comments on consideration items OK so maybe it 84 00:07:34,07 --> 00:07:40,42 makes sense to do it at the end after you hear the presentation about that. Great. 85 00:07:59,99 --> 00:08:00,35 To have 86 00:08:00,36 --> 00:08:07,27 a seat. OK. Good evening Planning Commission My name 87 00:08:07,28 --> 00:08:10,73 is Katherine farts in the system plan are going to be doing the presentation 88 00:08:10,74 --> 00:08:15,80 tonight I want to mention that this of obviously is a part two we did go through 89 00:08:15,81 --> 00:08:20,48 a planning permits process presentation back the first week of May and covered 90 00:08:20,49 --> 00:08:24,19 a lot more information but there's things that we're going to focus on tonight. 91 00:08:27,34 --> 00:08:32,78 Scuse me one moment have everything all bundled together. Tonight we're going to 92 00:08:32,79 --> 00:08:38,95 focus on staff level actions. And decisions the first. 93 00:08:40,44 --> 00:08:44,83 Action I would discuss is ministerial Ministerial Action is something that is 94 00:08:44,99 --> 00:08:45,44 involves 95 00:08:45,45 --> 00:08:52,25 a little staff judgment and the types of. Items that we would review for example 96 00:08:52,52 --> 00:08:55,16 if someone has a house we want to make sure 97 00:08:55,17 --> 00:08:58,53 a single family residence that is less than thirty five foot high limit that's 98 00:08:58,54 --> 00:09:00,63 something that we can look and say OK this is less of 99 00:09:00,64 --> 00:09:04,34 a thirty five five foot high limit it meets our requirements another thing 100 00:09:04,96 --> 00:09:09,52 Ministerial Action that we would take is I want to mention the project that you 101 00:09:09,65 --> 00:09:13,81 extend it to night one eleven can't road that was approved back on August fourth 102 00:09:13,86 --> 00:09:17,73 two thousand and fourteen and at that time there were conditions of approval that 103 00:09:17,74 --> 00:09:21,41 was that were imposed on that project one of those conditions of approval was. 104 00:09:22,59 --> 00:09:27,07 Requirement for landscaping so when that project is submitted which I believe it 105 00:09:27,08 --> 00:09:28,43 surely will be submitted for 106 00:09:28,44 --> 00:09:32,23 a building permit to the planning department I'll be looking at those sets of plans 107 00:09:32,24 --> 00:09:37,72 to make sure that that landscape plan is within the information is within the set 108 00:09:37,73 --> 00:09:43,20 of plans and that it complies with all our requirements that were in that condition 109 00:09:43,21 --> 00:09:48,47 that was opposed imposed by the Planning Commission Minear ministerial decisions 110 00:09:48,48 --> 00:09:54,59 are not appealable make that distinction because the time to appeal or to object is 111 00:09:54,60 --> 00:09:58,81 back when the action the discretionary action was taken again if I use that example 112 00:09:58,82 --> 00:10:02,78 for the one eleven can't road planning commission make the decision on August 113 00:10:02,79 --> 00:10:03,41 fourth So there's 114 00:10:03,42 --> 00:10:09,53 a ten day appeal period at that point is when that condition or that applicant can 115 00:10:09,54 --> 00:10:15,08 make an objection examples of other ministerial actions include home occupation 116 00:10:15,09 --> 00:10:17,98 permit second units and certain types of signage. 117 00:10:22,05 --> 00:10:26,75 Discretionary actions are different they do involve discretion judgement on the 118 00:10:26,76 --> 00:10:33,71 part of Staff. Staff however is only allowed to take make those discretionary 119 00:10:33,72 --> 00:10:39,67 decisions on minor routine and non-controversial items. The code 120 00:10:40,18 --> 00:10:45,16 identifies permits that can be granted first by staff for minor actions and these 121 00:10:45,17 --> 00:10:50,55 type of projects are for example certain wireless types of equipment that can be 122 00:10:50,56 --> 00:10:55,33 added to sites again identified in Pacifica municipal code and temporary commercial 123 00:10:55,59 --> 00:10:59,56 commercial promotional events and temporary amusements an example of that would be 124 00:10:59,57 --> 00:11:05,89 the coming fall festival happening in less than a month. I do want to make 125 00:11:05,90 --> 00:11:11,41 a point of clarification our Pacifica municipal code uses terms so any 126 00:11:11,42 --> 00:11:15,50 administrator planning administrator planning director interchangeably so I do want 127 00:11:15,51 --> 00:11:20,72 to make that clarification. These types of actions at the staff level discretionary 128 00:11:20,88 --> 00:11:22,17 types of actions have 129 00:11:22,18 --> 00:11:25,96 a notice and appeal provisions but there's no public airing again I'm referring to 130 00:11:25,97 --> 00:11:31,03 actions like approvals for certain wireless facilities additions to existing 131 00:11:31,30 --> 00:11:36,54 facility facilities additional Quitman to existing facilities and things like the 132 00:11:36,55 --> 00:11:37,29 fog fest. 133 00:11:43,56 --> 00:11:49,28 I do want to mention the noticing there is noticing involved with these types of 134 00:11:49,29 --> 00:11:55,09 action again for example with the fog fest with some to go back. Let me cover the 135 00:11:55,10 --> 00:11:58,54 noticing again so with the fog fest there was 136 00:11:58,55 --> 00:12:01,62 a three hundred for radius all the properties within 137 00:12:01,63 --> 00:12:07,23 a three hundred to radius of palmetto Avenue the extent of the fog festival they 138 00:12:07,24 --> 00:12:10,82 were notified as well as one hundred foot radius of the occupants so they were 139 00:12:10,83 --> 00:12:16,38 notified that the. Planning Director had admitted decision to approve the project 140 00:12:16,39 --> 00:12:20,96 and with the conditions of approval that would be imposed and the reason we do that 141 00:12:20,97 --> 00:12:22,37 is to give people 142 00:12:22,41 --> 00:12:28,42 a chance to appeal so is the type of discretionary. Level of review that allows 143 00:12:28,43 --> 00:12:31,91 people to come back and appeal and if someone wanted to they could appeal to the 144 00:12:31,92 --> 00:12:34,27 Planning Commission Thankfully that didn't happen. 145 00:12:45,09 --> 00:12:50,38 The zoning minister is a little different zoning minister does have does conduct 146 00:12:50,39 --> 00:12:53,07 a public hearing again it's a planning director that acts as 147 00:12:53,08 --> 00:12:57,10 a zoning minister for the city of Pacifica but those type of permits that the 148 00:12:57,16 --> 00:13:03,14 Zoning Administrator can review are minor routine noncontroversial So the Zoning 149 00:13:03,15 --> 00:13:04,75 Administrator will function the same as 150 00:13:04,76 --> 00:13:08,30 a planning commission we prepare staff reports there's a public hearing there's 151 00:13:08,31 --> 00:13:08,84 a notice 152 00:13:08,88 --> 00:13:12,45 a head of time people within three hundred foot radius are notify property owners 153 00:13:12,67 --> 00:13:16,76 as well as to occupants within one hundred foot radius and findings are made in 154 00:13:16,77 --> 00:13:21,42 that staff report. So any administrator much like the Planning Commission can it 155 00:13:21,43 --> 00:13:27,49 conditionally approve or approve or deny permits permit approval can be appealed to 156 00:13:27,50 --> 00:13:32,91 the Planning Commission within ten days of the action. And I also want to mention 157 00:13:32,92 --> 00:13:36,72 the Zoning Administrator for example playing Commission has meetings first and 158 00:13:36,73 --> 00:13:40,55 third Mondays is only administrator we've scheduled meetings to happen on the 159 00:13:40,56 --> 00:13:43,96 second Wednesday of the month. Starting at six B. 160 00:13:43,97 --> 00:13:50,86 Him six pm However in the past four months or so we've only had to zone 161 00:13:50,87 --> 00:13:52,22 a mystery hearing so we don't have 162 00:13:52,23 --> 00:13:57,29 a lot of those who do want to mention that. So that completes my presentation brief 163 00:13:57,30 --> 00:14:01,08 one be happy to answer any questions. I actually have 164 00:14:01,09 --> 00:14:07,70 a question of the consent items we just voted on and it's wondering who made the 165 00:14:07,71 --> 00:14:11,42 determination that. And whether it's 166 00:14:11,46 --> 00:14:17,04 a matter of code or otherwise that these extension of permit requests have to come 167 00:14:17,05 --> 00:14:19,56 to the Planning Commission for consideration strikes me as 168 00:14:19,57 --> 00:14:23,57 a kind of minor. I guess is too strong 169 00:14:23,68 --> 00:14:28,27 a word but minor issue that perhaps would be better dealt with at the staff level 170 00:14:28,53 --> 00:14:32,78 sort of curious about what an evolution of all that is that's an interesting 171 00:14:32,79 --> 00:14:37,34 question we generally. Following the code it's actually 172 00:14:37,35 --> 00:14:40,27 a code requirement and I can look it up but when a planning commission makes 173 00:14:40,28 --> 00:14:45,74 a decision again I use example when eleven can't road he made a decision there was 174 00:14:45,75 --> 00:14:50,17 a deadline established for the applicant the new owner in this case to obtain 175 00:14:50,21 --> 00:14:53,47 a building permit and start construction they were unable to do that so they 176 00:14:53,48 --> 00:14:56,18 request an extension they're allowed by the Pacific 177 00:14:56,19 --> 00:15:00,75 a municipal code to request an extension and generally we take those back to the 178 00:15:00,79 --> 00:15:03,86 people that made the decision so for example if there was 179 00:15:03,87 --> 00:15:08,94 a Zoning Administrator approval and they made the decision and for whatever reason 180 00:15:08,95 --> 00:15:12,79 that outdoor patio couldn't be constructed within the time frame then it would go 181 00:15:12,80 --> 00:15:17,06 back to the SO in this case since the Planning Commission made the decision we 182 00:15:17,07 --> 00:15:22,56 brought it back to the Planning Commission to. Extend the permit is there anything 183 00:15:22,57 --> 00:15:26,24 that could be done with respect to the code or with respect to the way we adopt our 184 00:15:26,68 --> 00:15:31,15 conditions of approval that would afford some discretion to staff to make these 185 00:15:31,16 --> 00:15:36,05 kinds of decisions so that again I don't mind meeting I think it's fine to come in 186 00:15:36,06 --> 00:15:40,89 fact enjoy it but just in terms of efficiency for applicants and for staff if 187 00:15:40,90 --> 00:15:44,49 there's anything that can be done again whether it's an amendment to the code or 188 00:15:44,62 --> 00:15:48,38 something that we include in our findings or conditions of approval that would 189 00:15:48,39 --> 00:15:54,89 afford that kind of discretion to staff for example because I had the exact same 190 00:15:54,90 --> 00:15:56,51 question that 191 00:15:56,55 --> 00:16:01,17 a key issue is whether there's any change of circumstances. Is there possibly 192 00:16:01,18 --> 00:16:03,32 something that we could do on 193 00:16:03,33 --> 00:16:08,23 a condition of approval that says that you know. If there's no changes of 194 00:16:08,24 --> 00:16:14,35 circumstances if there's you know. Apparent you know on the face of the 195 00:16:14,69 --> 00:16:20,97 application for an extension and. Planning Director has the discretion to simply 196 00:16:21,20 --> 00:16:28,03 grant an extension without it coming in for something. And you 197 00:16:28,04 --> 00:16:30,96 that moving forward. I think that is 198 00:16:30,97 --> 00:16:36,78 a very good point I also think that some projects have been continue 199 00:16:37,62 --> 00:16:39,57 for a year at a time for 200 00:16:39,58 --> 00:16:46,53 a very long time and building codes change other types of change so along with 201 00:16:46,96 --> 00:16:50,59 something that's going into our work plan for the next year or two years is to look 202 00:16:50,60 --> 00:16:55,71 at that and I think that. Based on what my experience 203 00:16:56,50 --> 00:16:59,50 a year often is not enough time to get 204 00:16:59,51 --> 00:17:05,35 a magic complete so to actually make the initial approval valid for two years maybe 205 00:17:05,36 --> 00:17:12,06 even three years potentially only one extension then it's then you can 206 00:17:12,07 --> 00:17:16,72 extend any more because at that point you're getting into the triangle building 207 00:17:16,73 --> 00:17:23,15 code cycle. And. Sometimes. Some of the. 208 00:17:24,71 --> 00:17:28,74 Details of the project just cease to kind of work out with all of our codes and 209 00:17:28,75 --> 00:17:34,29 requirements. Excellent ideas missioner Evans thank you chair. 210 00:17:36,23 --> 00:17:42,44 None of this. I guess conflict within the California Coastal Commission I do. 211 00:17:44,01 --> 00:17:49,48 I'm guessing that you've gone through all the all that to see if there's any 212 00:17:49,96 --> 00:17:56,83 conflict. Not gone before. Or so yeah 213 00:17:56,84 --> 00:18:03,33 so when we actually move forward with bringing. If that's necessary we will be 214 00:18:03,34 --> 00:18:07,41 consulting with the Coastal Commission we're not running afoul of any of their 215 00:18:07,42 --> 00:18:11,58 requirements thank you so so right now when in 216 00:18:11,59 --> 00:18:15,31 a moment when the permit gets approved it's good for for 217 00:18:15,32 --> 00:18:17,10 a period of time it's good for 218 00:18:17,11 --> 00:18:23,97 a year per year and then they just we just have these serial Yeah. Says that the 219 00:18:23,98 --> 00:18:30,40 code breeds that it's good for that one. You get one one year extension however 220 00:18:31,33 --> 00:18:34,07 I don't agree with the way that's been interpreted because it's been 221 00:18:34,37 --> 00:18:39,91 a one year extension forever and we are now running into the markets picking up and 222 00:18:39,92 --> 00:18:44,53 these projects now want to develop and they don't necessarily were running into 223 00:18:44,54 --> 00:18:50,18 design issues at at the detail level because because they don't necessarily mean 224 00:18:50,79 --> 00:18:55,40 certain codes anymore right. And so you're suggesting 225 00:18:55,41 --> 00:18:58,81 a good fix would be to instead grant a longer permit 226 00:18:58,85 --> 00:19:01,23 a longer period of the permit and then just have 227 00:19:01,24 --> 00:19:07,37 a max one renewal right that's that's that's sounds pretty nifty just to see 228 00:19:07,38 --> 00:19:12,60 something like that yeah and that would obviate the need for these like. You know 229 00:19:13,35 --> 00:19:16,99 and it's more practical I think the way construction financing works and just the 230 00:19:17,01 --> 00:19:21,99 way how long it takes to go through engineering and design I don't know that it's 231 00:19:22,01 --> 00:19:23,21 practical to have 232 00:19:23,63 --> 00:19:30,42 a one year timeframe. OK I don't know being picky here is that 233 00:19:30,42 --> 00:19:36,46 going to affect the income for the cost of the permit extensions. 234 00:19:38,31 --> 00:19:45,16 To the city. We are. We just updated our master for the typical 235 00:19:45,17 --> 00:19:50,00 time it takes us to duties and I think it's two to three hours and of staff time 236 00:19:50,01 --> 00:19:52,50 and we're it's not a significant amount of money because there's 237 00:19:52,77 --> 00:20:00,26 a profit center. Yeah 238 00:20:00,27 --> 00:20:02,58 and Catherine was just pointing out that when there is 239 00:20:02,59 --> 00:20:08,87 a subdivision involved the subdivision map back has its own. Time limits on them 240 00:20:08,88 --> 00:20:12,26 and so so those types of projects would have initially 241 00:20:12,27 --> 00:20:17,77 a two year time period to build. Just to get to harmonize those things. 242 00:20:19,47 --> 00:20:21,71 That's what we've done in one of my other projects where there was 243 00:20:21,72 --> 00:20:26,29 a subdivision so we kept all the approvals together so instead of just being 244 00:20:26,30 --> 00:20:33,18 a year for you or site development we made it to you so the. Smart. That's 245 00:20:33,19 --> 00:20:39,53 correct. So how do these great ideas move forward so we are working on 246 00:20:39,57 --> 00:20:45,61 a work plan for the next year to two years and that's based off of the work planet 247 00:20:45,62 --> 00:20:47,82 Council developed for the city as 248 00:20:47,83 --> 00:20:54,77 a whole and. I just went through an exercise with staff on prioritizing 249 00:20:54,78 --> 00:21:01,07 all of them depending on where they fit into the council's work plan so we do 250 00:21:01,08 --> 00:21:05,24 a lot more than what was really on councils radar screen time and so we also went 251 00:21:05,25 --> 00:21:06,04 into 252 00:21:06,53 --> 00:21:13,13 a what statutorily required for us to update or do what projects would be 253 00:21:13,17 --> 00:21:18,77 either cost money would be revenue generating would be revenue neutral. 254 00:21:20,49 --> 00:21:27,40 Etc and so I have all that feedback from staff have my own feedback and we're 255 00:21:27,65 --> 00:21:32,17 I'm in the process of finalizing that chart need to run it by the city manager and 256 00:21:32,18 --> 00:21:36,42 then my plan was to bring it back to you guys so you can kind of see what we were 257 00:21:36,43 --> 00:21:40,40 planning to do so some of it's all of the implementation stuff that we need to do 258 00:21:40,41 --> 00:21:45,48 for the housing element which has. There's various code updates that are such 259 00:21:45,49 --> 00:21:50,45 totally require that we haven't kept up with and so you'll be able to kind of see 260 00:21:50,46 --> 00:21:54,89 what to expect as we're moving forward in the next twelve months and more. 261 00:21:57,35 --> 00:22:03,63 Just one question and so for example the change in the change in the. Time period 262 00:22:03,64 --> 00:22:10,14 in which permits get approved and the renewal. Is that something 263 00:22:10,15 --> 00:22:15,43 that that's an administrative change or does it go before you know some kind of 264 00:22:15,44 --> 00:22:21,54 body so that would be code update so you'll be coming to the Planning Commission 265 00:22:21,55 --> 00:22:26,31 for recommendation ultimately need to go to the city council we don't half there 266 00:22:26,32 --> 00:22:32,45 may be an opportunity here to take several relatively easy non-controversial 267 00:22:32,52 --> 00:22:37,35 updates all at once and just kind of clean get those off the table and clean them 268 00:22:37,36 --> 00:22:42,77 up so we'll be looking at those opportunities as we move along and said I'm doing 269 00:22:42,78 --> 00:22:48,22 them piecemeal if it doesn't make sense. That's great that's great commission 270 00:22:48,23 --> 00:22:54,43 haven't thanked her. Staff for 271 00:22:55,35 --> 00:23:02,17 the idea of multiple. Ownership changes during the pro 272 00:23:02,72 --> 00:23:09,45 permit process. I know like the one who just approved the extension 273 00:23:09,46 --> 00:23:14,44 was. You know approved but it was a it was 274 00:23:14,45 --> 00:23:20,92 a new owner and has that ever been looked at because sometimes you see more than 275 00:23:20,93 --> 00:23:26,54 one new owner I mean through through the years or time there may be one two 276 00:23:26,55 --> 00:23:32,20 different owners from the original just wondering if that would be enough to change 277 00:23:32,24 --> 00:23:37,14 the permit process in that point well then you since Title months run with the land 278 00:23:37,18 --> 00:23:43,91 not the owner so just by just because the ownership is turned over that really 279 00:23:43,92 --> 00:23:48,03 doesn't change anything from the way the planning department looks at the project 280 00:23:48,43 --> 00:23:52,12 however and you are coming in may have different ideas and if they want to do 281 00:23:52,13 --> 00:23:55,83 something different that is different from what the Planning Commission approved or 282 00:23:55,84 --> 00:24:00,57 changes the conditions of approval it needs to come back OK Thank you. 283 00:24:02,91 --> 00:24:08,42 A career. If we're all done with our little conversation here which has been really 284 00:24:08,43 --> 00:24:09,77 fruitful and interesting thanks 285 00:24:09,78 --> 00:24:16,06 a lot Dan you want to want to come up and speak again. Thank you for having me net 286 00:24:16,07 --> 00:24:19,66 tonight again commissioners I assume the goals of this are to remove some of the 287 00:24:19,67 --> 00:24:23,85 burden from the Planning Commission and take less important items away from more 288 00:24:23,86 --> 00:24:29,01 important decision makers in light of that some of these some of these priorities 289 00:24:29,02 --> 00:24:30,47 seem skewed third things like 290 00:24:30,48 --> 00:24:35,29 a certain wireless equipment as someone who's licensed by the F.C.C. 291 00:24:35,30 --> 00:24:40,05 For several wireless licenses and works in that field there's nothing the city can 292 00:24:40,06 --> 00:24:43,59 do to regulate it anyway it's all federally controlled short of 293 00:24:43,98 --> 00:24:49,47 a drone ordinance being near fire fighters or something which would not affect. You 294 00:24:49,48 --> 00:24:53,39 and me cable get you no permit on it anyway in that timeframe it would be an 295 00:24:53,40 --> 00:24:59,81 applicable so that seems. Seems like something that would could be ministerial vs 296 00:24:59,82 --> 00:25:03,19 discretionary doesn't need you know if they are setting up 297 00:25:03,49 --> 00:25:07,24 a walkie talkies for fog faster doesn't need an appeal process have decided it's 298 00:25:07,25 --> 00:25:11,58 going to be done same with all the temporary almost all the temporary event stuff. 299 00:25:14,31 --> 00:25:17,93 Signage on the no appeal ministerial that seems wrong to me 300 00:25:17,94 --> 00:25:22,17 a bit too fourteen by four foot twenty four hour late signs that would be behind my 301 00:25:22,18 --> 00:25:27,70 house from seven eleven would have been on that originally in August they had 302 00:25:27,71 --> 00:25:30,96 stated that that made the whole seven process may have gone through the Zoning 303 00:25:30,97 --> 00:25:35,21 Administrator I'm on the list to get all the notices for all the planning 304 00:25:35,22 --> 00:25:39,86 commission events etc The only Zoning Administrator notice I've seen in the last 305 00:25:39,87 --> 00:25:45,23 four months is one that was taped to the front of the planning director planning 306 00:25:45,24 --> 00:25:51,62 office and it was for the. Add some outdoor picnic tables for the. Me and her 307 00:25:51,63 --> 00:25:57,76 starbucks so that is only administration if it's not being adequately distributed 308 00:25:57,77 --> 00:26:04,51 to the public there. In fact I think all commercial in terms of no 309 00:26:04,52 --> 00:26:08,85 appeal ministerial seems like it should not should have an option anything 310 00:26:08,86 --> 00:26:14,12 commercial should have an option of appeal and again the notice three hundred three 311 00:26:14,13 --> 00:26:19,20 hundred feet owners are one hundred free to occupants you know pride prioritizes 312 00:26:19,21 --> 00:26:23,09 the rights of owners over runners in this community and this is housing prices go 313 00:26:23,10 --> 00:26:26,18 up you know you've got people that have put you know two sets of kids through 314 00:26:26,19 --> 00:26:29,30 public schools involved here twenty years and are still forced to be runners just 315 00:26:29,31 --> 00:26:31,91 because they can't afford to pay three million dollars for 316 00:26:31,92 --> 00:26:35,85 a house and then tomorrow and I think at some point we're going to have to treat 317 00:26:35,86 --> 00:26:40,68 runners and owners equally in terms of notice because I'm sure every one of you 318 00:26:40,69 --> 00:26:44,61 know someone who's lived in Linamar and rented for twenty same house for twenty 319 00:26:44,62 --> 00:26:49,68 years and just never bought it so thanks very much. Thank you. 320 00:26:54,59 --> 00:26:54,91 I just had 321 00:26:54,92 --> 00:27:01,76 a follow up question if I may since we're still on this topic. And I guess it 322 00:27:01,77 --> 00:27:07,96 relates to I think in the in the presentation you mention Catherine the 323 00:27:08,78 --> 00:27:15,03 signage decisions are. Did you see the ministerial. 324 00:27:16,31 --> 00:27:23,10 Appealable certain certain certain want to put it where there are certain for 325 00:27:23,11 --> 00:27:25,92 example the grocery outlet there was 326 00:27:25,93 --> 00:27:32,78 a master master saying. Sorry Master sign program or per approved several years ago 327 00:27:33,26 --> 00:27:37,53 so pressured for a fresh uneasy essentially fresh uneasy moved out we have 328 00:27:37,54 --> 00:27:42,74 a new cook tenant coming Grocery Outlet is coming in so they submitted their sign 329 00:27:42,75 --> 00:27:46,90 application to staff as part of the plane check process they needed 330 00:27:46,91 --> 00:27:51,19 a new building permit for the sign so we take out the master same program and we 331 00:27:51,20 --> 00:27:55,66 review that to make sure those requirements are satisfied so in that case the 332 00:27:55,67 --> 00:28:00,49 discretionary action was approval of the mass design program several years ago and 333 00:28:00,50 --> 00:28:05,00 so now building permits come in there after and we just have to check that it is 334 00:28:05,01 --> 00:28:11,50 consistent with the master sign program so it stands. In that 335 00:28:11,51 --> 00:28:16,95 case that some of the certain signage that would be approved by staff because it's 336 00:28:16,96 --> 00:28:20,46 consistent with a master sign program right just 337 00:28:20,47 --> 00:28:25,96 a hypothetical. New commercial. Store is. 338 00:28:27,55 --> 00:28:33,82 Going to move in somewhere and there is not a preexisting master plan for 339 00:28:34,00 --> 00:28:36,22 a building that hasn't Well I guess well let's take. 340 00:28:41,57 --> 00:28:43,50 Well so in what circumstance where there's not 341 00:28:43,51 --> 00:28:50,16 a master plan already approved in what circumstances would assign. Application 342 00:28:50,17 --> 00:28:56,50 be. Either be appealable or come before us in particular if there's any free 343 00:28:56,51 --> 00:29:02,92 standing signage that that's proposed. And if there's any 344 00:29:03,32 --> 00:29:08,23 others if it's over fifty square feet free standing saying comes to mind there's 345 00:29:08,24 --> 00:29:10,25 been situations where we don't have 346 00:29:10,78 --> 00:29:14,78 a master sign programs we've had to ask that they submit and go through 347 00:29:14,79 --> 00:29:19,29 a master sign program but most of the for example Linamar shopping center for. 348 00:29:20,46 --> 00:29:26,42 Fresh uneasy both sides actually former also the other side were other businesses 349 00:29:26,43 --> 00:29:32,96 they've all got programs recently so most of our big commercial areas have Master's 350 00:29:32,97 --> 00:29:35,66 same programs man or shopping center just to name 351 00:29:35,67 --> 00:29:42,48 a few. Thank you. And one other issue that the speaker brought up 352 00:29:42,49 --> 00:29:49,42 was that. The. Notice being distributed and the issue between 353 00:29:49,43 --> 00:29:53,44 renters versus owners I know that we talked about that and that we were going to 354 00:29:53,45 --> 00:29:58,94 look into that Yes So what we did we actually implemented the same procedure that 355 00:29:58,95 --> 00:30:03,38 we use in the coastal zones for the entire city which is three hundred foot radius 356 00:30:03,39 --> 00:30:07,86 and owners. Renters or occupants. 357 00:30:12,62 --> 00:30:16,31 You know and I don't know I don't I don't think it's going to be 358 00:30:16,32 --> 00:30:22,94 a terrible administrative burden to do three hundred. Occupants or 359 00:30:23,04 --> 00:30:29,82 or owners so. I think that that's something we can easily 360 00:30:29,97 --> 00:30:31,73 implement you know I don't see 361 00:30:31,84 --> 00:30:36,33 a terrible problem with that the other the other issue that was brought up was 362 00:30:36,66 --> 00:30:43,11 a hearing notice which I will go over with staff. Catherine I joked about this 363 00:30:43,12 --> 00:30:48,74 isn't very professional like the Planning Commission's Many me. It's just 364 00:30:48,79 --> 00:30:54,39 a really routine non-controversial like the Starbucks outdoor seating but it is 365 00:30:54,76 --> 00:30:59,93 does need to follow all of the same procedures same noticing same finding staff or 366 00:30:59,94 --> 00:31:05,83 poor open to the public and so any e-mail blast or noticing that's going out on 367 00:31:05,84 --> 00:31:09,16 Planning Commission agendas we should be doing the same thing for Zoning 368 00:31:09,17 --> 00:31:15,42 Administrator so I can follow up with staff on that. OK. 369 00:31:18,35 --> 00:31:23,34 Moving on we're going to move off. Consideration. 370 00:31:25,37 --> 00:31:28,52 Communications let's start with the commission communications. 371 00:31:33,03 --> 00:31:39,90 And seeing Oh I do see is that really. I would just like to 372 00:31:39,91 --> 00:31:43,85 thank Katherine for finishing the presentation thank you very much I think it's you 373 00:31:43,86 --> 00:31:50,76 know some additional items Thank you. Thank you Commissioner better also OK moving 374 00:31:50,77 --> 00:31:56,60 on to staff communications are there any just real quickly. I just want to let you 375 00:31:56,61 --> 00:32:02,17 guys know. For the first time we're going to have an additional city booth at the 376 00:32:02,18 --> 00:32:08,29 fog fest and so part of what we'll be doing is providing information to the public 377 00:32:08,30 --> 00:32:13,38 about various programs that the city is going on one of which will be information 378 00:32:13,39 --> 00:32:18,98 on the general plan and the community outreach that we were directed to follow up 379 00:32:18,99 --> 00:32:25,20 on and so that. They did that. Op-Ed 380 00:32:25,58 --> 00:32:30,47 paper this will be the follow up and we're also trying to identify some dates not 381 00:32:30,82 --> 00:32:35,04 person. So if you're out there you can stop by and say hello. 382 00:32:40,40 --> 00:32:47,15 Great thank you for that announcement OK at this point we are looking at 383 00:32:47,19 --> 00:32:52,05 the end of our meeting and as sad as it is to say to we see 384 00:32:52,06 --> 00:32:57,77 a motion to adjourn Commission about us motion to adjourn. Commissioner noble and 385 00:32:57,94 --> 00:32:59,73 all second OK please vote. 386 00:33:04,44 --> 00:33:10,06 And that motion passes for does your verse concludes the Planning Commission 387 00:33:10,07 --> 00:33:15,40 meeting of September eighth two thousand to fifteen thank you for tuning in and see 388 00:33:15,41 --> 00:33:16,15 you next time.