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Good evening. Welcome to the June 7th.

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Meeting of the board
selectman. Mr Sze is running

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a bit late he it will be here. So
we're going to start to meet now and.

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He will be joining us in short order the
1st item on the agenda Mr Haggerty.

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Town Clerk regarding increasing voter
participation at the elections Good evening

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sir and thank you.

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Thank you for letting me come here this
evening. One of the things we've tried to

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do downstairs is to try to see what we can
do to increase voter participation in

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the elections that was one of
the reasons why we put forward

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a one article to change
the town election from

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a Monday to Tuesday which made sense of
some of the other issues but one of the

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issues we looked at as well as when the
polls themselves are open the feedback that

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I've had from

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a number of people is that they have
difficulty voting in the morning because the

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polls open at the time they do and I know
when I moved to town in 1902 and I used

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to

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a commuter to Boston occasionally I could
roll out the door at 7715 and 25 minutes

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later I was in downtown Boston in 2425 years
since then those the community Boston

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is just it's

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a nightmare so pretty much with the polls
are opening at 7 or 8 o'clock in the

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morning you pretty much precluding people
from voting in the morning if they work

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in downtown Boston and I've talked to other
residence who are nurses and so forth

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and it's an interesting issue so what I
proposed here is that we change our. You

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have the authority to change the opening
time of the polls up to certain times so

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what I'm proposing is that starting with
the state primary election in September

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that we changed our opening time from polls
to 6 30 am for all 3 of them. And on

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the sheet that I've given you it shows
on the right hand side of the extra cost

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which was the extra cost of the wardens in
the tellers as well as the the overtime

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detail for the police officer covers
that net net it would cost us $12.00 to

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$1250.00 approximately per year to initiate
this change I have money in my budget

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to cover this issue but you are the ones
that have the authority to make the change

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will this work I don't know I know that
we will not increase voter participation

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unless we try something different and
because we're trying to change people's

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habits if we just do it for one year you
know we're not going to really see whether

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this is effective and so what I propose
is that we open the polls at 6 30 am for

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the next 4 years and the cost to us the
town would be about $5000.00 let's give

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that a try but at the bottom of this
this isn't going to work just with

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a change in the polls and every one of us
in this room today probably drove through

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the intersection of Route 30 and main
street out here. I see where that where St

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Marks is all the signage and I would defy
anybody in this room to tell me how many

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signs are on the line and what those
signs said and that has been the extent

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essentially of our advertising for the town
elections there are 11 signs out there

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by the way right now so at the bottom
of this I've already spoken to some

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commercial property owners and they will
agree to let us publicize elections via

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large signs on the property of prominent
locations throughout the town will work

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with schools and retailers as the churches
to publicize voting days from the

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pulpits and and through the mails and so
forth all these things at the bottom are

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things that are very low cost ways for us
to try to increase exposure and. To get

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people to be more aware of the elections
and make it work so this is my proposal

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and. I think it's worth a $5000.00
exposure for the next 4 years to give this

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a try to see if we can make it work. And
questions one is to Haggerty thank you I

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think it's

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a great proposal I'm supportive of it I
have 2 questions what do. You do for

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opening time you know most are at 7 o'clock
I'm not aware of any in this area that

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go from 630 I am aware of others they call
early in the mat court 6 when I lived in

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New Jersey are polls actually open
at 530. On the flipside I'm aware of

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a couple of towns on the self sure that
have open their polls later for town

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elections. So this will be earlier than
are so many people is one option to be to

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keep it open later I mean
I don't know if you see

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a lot of traffic at very early in the
morning maybe we will but do you think we

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could you also keep it open later no the
closing is dictated by the state law it is

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Ok and then my only other. Comment is I
would be careful about asking churches to

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publicize obviously their non-profits and
mixing politics from the pulpit sometimes

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can be

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a challenge so while they may be more they
may put it in their. You know bulletins

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or whatnot these things are fine but
any significant outreach to try to ask

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churches to actively engage
I would. Be careful to try

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to. On this I think you're asking

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a board just to approve the Times correct
not the efforts that might be taken but

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back to what Mr Plant was just saying and
we spoke earlier in instead of stating

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our printing that senior center recreation
it should be all town buildings will

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make the community aware of the change
it was such an isolating you know

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specifically to the senior center and
recreation because they have. A very diverse

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number of citizens that they can communicate
with so but I will look at all times

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apartments and if they be using them and
that we might be crossing into another

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area we don't want to make

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a user mailing list of. I want to

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thank Mr Haggerty for bringing this forward
I supported I don't have any questions

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. So maybe in that 1st ball what instead
of saying crucial property owners will

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publicize. You ask commercial
property owners if they would.

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Put ask in the will and because the 3 that
I've spoken to all said absolutely right

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and that's good but it looks like all of
them all commercial property owners Well

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we can't force anybody but we've had response
on his part thank you. So Mr Haygood

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you need

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a motion from us to adopt or accept the
change of the opening times for the

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Poles ads as set forth in your
document which is not dated

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So Mr Chairman

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a Yes Yes Or I'm happy to move that we
support the proposed change with the opening

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of election times starting at 6 there
in the morning. Or 2nd and for the

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discussion on Favre I

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next item review and approval of transfer
station rules and regulations for fiscal

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year 2017.

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So in your package there is

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a revised list of rules and regulations
this year as you know we changed over to I

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think being in the clerk's office for the
stickers for the permits so these rules

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and regs basically give out
that information. And then the

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other large change I guess would be to have.
Whatever whatever you guys want to put

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together as

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a permit fee I found out today that we can't
change the bylaw on the back we can't

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put the new by law that was just awarded.
Or passed special town meeting because it

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was it hasn't been approved by the A.G.'s
office yet so at this point we have to

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that will have to change back as and the
fees would have to stay at. $250.00 and

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$100.00 for the fines but the fee itself
is what I'm asking you to set tonight and

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just to approve the changes. Which basically
just put in the town clerk's office

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for things and it also. We went down to
instead of we're going to try with the

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clerk's office to be able to just
have an after $915.00 cost and

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a before $915.00 cost so it won't
matter how how you pay or how you get

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it and now you can use credit cards in the
office which we've been working towards

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getting so that is going to be official
this year too. And before we open up for

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questions I've asked Mr banking on behalf
of the Public Works planning board if you

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have any comments war. Any information
that you provide want to provide

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a board before. Public Works planning
board chair and we did meet with Miss

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Galligan approximately 3
weeks ago we I submitted

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a memorandum that I've been told that
you've all had an opportunity to review we

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our recommendation would be to keep the
current sticker fee assessment as how it is

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which is $200.00 per sticker
per household for 2 vehicles

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before September 15th to 50 after
September 15th and free for senior

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citizens because the by law has not been
approved by the attorney general I'll

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forgo the discussion that we had on the
fees and the fines the fines schedule but

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we did have that but we also would continue
to endorse our recommendation that

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we've made for the past 2 years which is
to conduct an enhanced take back program

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of larger items and currently charge

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a disposal fee for larger items such as
refrigerators mattresses couches including

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sleeper sofas and televisions Currently
those those coaches and sleeper sofas can

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actually be thrown in the hopper which
as you can imagine does create quite

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a large or larger disposal fee and
televisions are only taken during hazardous

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waste day we believe that if the
selectmen approved to charge the

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a cost that is associated with the
disposal of the item for example

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a television maybe $35.00 I think that's
what Harvey charges in Westborough if you

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recycle your t.v.

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Their. Credit cards can be taken with chip
technology as we've discussed with Miss

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Galligan So those are the only that's the
only other larger part that we would

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recommend that you consider in your discussion
tonight or future discussions thank

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you if you have any questions.

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Yes.

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The language changes in the rules and
regs are simply we reviewed them and they

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were really language changes that that put
forward the change of where the sticker

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was going to be ascertained and we prove
that oh well that question by me in terms

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of the take. Oh he was
inclined to agree with that

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recommendation the rules and regulations
would have to be revised Yes and I when we

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would recommend that you just put it the
same language that is proposed that we

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would charge the disposal fee for refrigerators
mattresses couches including super

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sleeper sofas and televisions.
Questions mystical and so none on the

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on the fees. And I believe what's in front
of us tonight is is is definitely the

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fees and then if we want to have
a discussion on language and

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a discussion on what might
be the average size of

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a dumpster what might be. You know other
language that would then go into the rules

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and regulations I don't know that those
items are ready for tonight. That kind of

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discussion I I would I
would forsee would take

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a significant amount of time for recall
correctly when we discuss these last time I

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believe it was unanimous that we did
not agree at that point to charge.

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Separate amounts for people
who wanted to. Dispose of of

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a sofa for instance we had

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a discussion about the Square technology
I'm not sure that was fully vetted yet

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whether or not personnel limited personnel
that we have at the transfer station

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right now would be able to. To actually
perform that function I for one would

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not be ready at this point to have that
full blown discussion about those enhanced

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items but as far as the rates
identified those are fine with me

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this is fantasy you're fine with increasing
the rate that to 70 I think it was 200

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to 50. Rates that there.

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Is no. I didn't I didn't actually recommend
any. It's not an enterprise fund so

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it's it's more of

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a choice for you guys and that was why
publically explaining why I came up with

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keeping it the same. I'm going with that.

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I don't necessarily suggest I mean the.
It's the intention of the board if I

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understand correctly to take this to take
up the issue of rules and regulations

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again once we. Hear from the attorney
general regarding the bylaw change is that

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correct not necessarily the fees we're
going to agree on hopefully tonight but

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other aspects of the rules and regs
is that right Mr Chairman I know so

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you can is so you can do everything this
evening except for dealing with anything

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regarding the fine structure so any of the
wording changes that Misc out again has

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put on the table as well as most hassle
begin. You can you can address those issues

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tonight as well as the fee structure but
not the fine structure all right and then

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and if we don't address them
tonight then we're stuck for

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a year correct that's correct All right
so in that case then I would like to at

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least and ask about the letter we received
this week about taking items out of the

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metal pile Are you familiar with that is
Galligan. All right what can you tell us

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about whether we should or shouldn't be
accommodating this gentleman. This is

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a conflict we have over there right
now where. We've been. There's

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been situations where we've had to find
people for going in and picking through

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a metal pile when it's not allowed and
they've said well we've seen we've seen the

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staff go in there and take things and
when the staff goes in and takes things

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they're helping someone get something
that you know for for the person some

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resident The problem is at this point
I've told them because this comes up and

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they're accused of taking it in taking all
the good stuff I've heard think we've

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had

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a lot of this come up where I've formed the
staff that no matter what you just can't

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help anybody at this point everybody is
watching and thinks we're taking it for

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ourselves not for

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a resident so there is just no picking up
there at all except at the swap shop so

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that that's how we've been handling it
if the board wants to change that that's

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fine but this is in an effort to keep the
staff from getting accused of things

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because us that's what keeps happening and
I'm sure you guys have seen some of the

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other e-mails that say the opposite is the
really prohibition for for somebody to

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put usable item in the swap shop if it's
made of metal No not at all so something

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that's useful and could be repurposed could
go in the Swap Shop it's not required

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to go into the scrap metal part or act all
right that's fine I don't have any other

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questions and comments just

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a few. Thank you as

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a town clerk we will be the ones that we
selling the stickers this year so the

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couple Things like to clear up and 1st of
all I'd like to introduce Patrick Murphy

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and Ryan King. These 2 fellows will be
working at the senior center in July they

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will be the ones placing the stickers on
the Seniors cars. And they've been also

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researching this issue and they've been
working with voter reach outreach efforts

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a couple of things here 1st of all in
terms of new residents coming in here.

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Not quite sure on this but might suggest
would be that the new residents coming in

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would be charged $20.00 a month as

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a program to basis. And as part of the
issue we're going to do here is that we're

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going to we're trying to simplify this for

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a lot of things. We're not going to
require any paperwork from anybody that's

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a thing of the past all you have to do is
be listed on the town census that to your

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residence if you're not on the
census we're going to give you

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a form to get yourself on the census make
sense it kills 2 birds with one stone and

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if you can't be listed on the
census then you should make it

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a sticker anyway we call it a day as

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a simple as that but for new residents
coming in that something would like to see

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$20.00 a month for the stickers just
to keep it simple moving across

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a 2nd issue is to clarify an issue what
the board's intention is involving the

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vehicles that people use. A number of
people are have the. Use least cars that

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where the registration would not be in
their name other people have the fortunate

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situation where they use a car that is
owned by their company whether it be

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a car pickup truck whatever from
my perspective it doesn't make

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a difference who owns the car that you're
using if I was fortunate enough to have

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a least car whatever and I'd put the
sticker and put it on that. But I want to

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insure that that is the intent of the
selectmen and we will do that for

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a case in point if somebody
were an employee of

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a company and start or service was when
they call themselves now and they have 5

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employees living and they all drive a
star cars to me it's irrelevant the

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a 5 different residence paying full
sticker price they should be able put the

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stickers on each $1.00 of the cars and I
want to assure that that is the intent of

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the selectmen here tonight. 3rd thing
I'd like to just eliminate just

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a little thing here there's 2 different
price fees price points for the return of

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permits attend a $1.00 in

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a $25.01 and I think we're getting down in
the weeds on this just eliminate the 10

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don't want to make it 25 bucks just

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a matter yes you want to have this when
you send the mail so I guess. I just try

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to make this simple but the biggest issue
for me 2 issues one is that you want to

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try $20.00 to $20.00

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a month for the new residents and that it's
your intent that regardless of who owns

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the vehicle if I as a resident want
to put the sticker I can put it on

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a car and that's it thank you. Galleon.

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As people now over the course of in-between
meetings we get tend to get on occasion

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some e-mail correspondence with regards
to upcoming again items and. Every

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member of the board if it's even
sent to an individual gets gets

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a copy of the correspondence one such
correspondence came from Mr Stivers I don't

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know I don't see him here this evening but
Ms Galligan could you address that Mr

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Stivers asked us or asked the
board to consider the location.

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Of the sticker and the difficulties
that some people have encountered in

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removing the stickers from the plastic
front bumpers and it taking the paint off

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the car and he has suggested
perhaps we consider going to

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a requirement whereby the sticker is placed
on the inside of the windshield which I

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assume would cause some manufacturing issues
because the adhesive that we presently

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have is on the wrong side if you want to
put it on the inside of the Yes So could

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you at least address that yes so we did
add it that we could go to the windshield

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because of the fact that we were having
issues people were having trouble getting

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them off if they wanted to trade in their
car. And so we change is that you can

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also put it on to the windshield. On the
outside is better for us we write we have

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to write sticker on you know the sticker
not your registration number and I know it

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said that he didn't think anyone had ever
checked it but we have actually we do

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check the registration number to the license
plate on on those stickers. Not every

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we probably haven't caught everybody but
we have caught people periodic we who have

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the wrong on the wrong car. So you'd have
to be able to write that and still put

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the adhesive and I believe the clerks
already bought the stickers for the year if

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it's something that people I know the
comment was Well when you scrape your

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windshield you know for ice you're going
to scrape it off and we've had them on the

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front since 2013 and I haven't had anyone
come back and say that that was an issue

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so. It doesn't doesn't seem like
that is actually that much of

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a problem because we haven't had anyone
have the issue especially through that

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really bad winter So actually that's
probably not true I think we did have one

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person come through but they had
a piece of it left so to get

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a free one if you if you had

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a resident who wanted to put it on the
inside themselves you have you have no issue

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with that actually you do that
that's something that we do send out

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a warning for because they end up taping
it and the the point with the permit was

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to have it be permanently affixed to the
car so that they could be passed around.

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That doesn't mean that they can't change
it 100 percent up to the Board of these

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have already been purchased for the coming
year could you. Let us know what the

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cost would be to either supplement with

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a hand number that could be you know with
that he's on the inside what that would

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be and let us know and you may have room
within your budget to do that midyear. And

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yes it would probably be Mr No it was you
can order and I mean for next year yeah

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assuming that they make something I'm sure
they do I just don't know what it would

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be Ok so. At least since

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2010 I have been of the
opinion that. We do not do

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a particularly compelling job that is in
the trash business and I have suggested

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various changes and I and I understand
that perhaps that. The timing of my

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suggestions have not been all that well
received but in that regard I would have

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someone else make

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a motion with respect to this because if
nothing else of the system in opposing

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this but I'm not going to make

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a big deal of the sundered I just you know.
I spoke today with. Your superintendent

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and counter for Mr Purple I think we really
seriously need to look into making this

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an enterprise account so it's self supporting
and we all funded and we're not back

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here year after year discussing trees
stickers and what needs to be done I think

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we're spending

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a lot of time over the same issues it should
be an enterprise or in the town budget

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because we're in

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a deficit now and it's just
going to grow then I would

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I would make

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a motion that we set the rates for the
coming year at $200.00 before 91516250 after

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$91516.00 if I heard it correctly
$20.00 per month for new residents on

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a monthly basis is their 2nd all think.

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Actually just to clarify that that's

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a 0 for seniors is included in
that list Mr Rooney Yes Are you

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also going to set the fee for the non
recycle or the recycle only. Is that part

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emotion should it be it was not
for me we can talk about that

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we would support the public works planning
board supported what it was last year I

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think it's $75.00 yeah I made the assumption
that when I was on carving it was it

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so yeah so revised so moved.
Is their 2nd on favor I

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opposed. Mr Sze

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Welcome Paula Joyce for well you
are arriving at the appropriate

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time. So some of you may know that I
cannot participate in Agenda Item

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number 3. My firm is in

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a butter to this particular development
in this particular roadway and after

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numerous conversations with the state ethics
commission both orally and in writing

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they have advised me and I am taking
their advice to recuse myself from any

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discussions on this agenda item with
that said I will then turn the meeting

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over to Mr Sze to conduct
the meeting Mr Ronnie Yes

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I call the state ethics commission in the
past and I disclosed that my son has done

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work for j b j which Mr to Peter e.

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Is a principal when I call
them again today I got

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a return return call and explain the
situation about the road I'm very familiar

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with the road participated on this board
going into my 15th year and I participated

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on the road safety study and part of overall
when the schools were being developed

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and the secondary roads for growth in
Flag road safety study presentation this

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evening concerns the additional
traffic generated by

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a mixed use development both roads are under
the jurisdiction of the town itself or

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this board. And the residents
of this town I have. No

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conflict with Mr De Petri
my son has performed

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a very small job for Mr Dupree tree in
the town of Salter under mergence the

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situation he owns

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a concrete cutting company which most people
know it's on filed in the town clerk's

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office a resident

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a member of my family has purchased an
easement 10 years ago from Mr Petri I have

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no financial interest in the
land purchase or the business

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so I am going to sit on this evening. I
feel I am the only member on those 4 that

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understands what he proposes
this is not a 40 b.

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Whether it be this development or any other
development that const before this town

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this is a 100 acre site the n.

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Pact is grave or great to the residents
of Clifford so I am sitting in on those

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analysts or somebody that really has

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a strong opinion I don't belong here but
your guidance you received I received

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today from attorney right there is no plan
for you Ok but I just want to make if

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there is

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a concern I want I do not want to put
this board in question this as it is

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a big issue I spoke with Nora
Mellon from the Commission on staff

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you know people work and I have copies
for each well only object to your.

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Personally inadvertent characterization
that you're the only one of them stands the

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project but I'm happy to head and said
well I know the reason I say that is I sat

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here as a representative
this board on another 40 b.

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Proposal from another resident in this
town as the conduit for this board I have

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sat on 740 b. S.

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In this town for have
been approved I represent

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a sport on Shop see which I have not
participated in when this proposal came to the

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town itself and I will resign from that
position tonight so that somebody else from

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this board can sit in to serve the public
yes I feel I do know because here we

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really don't have any any. Quarrel with
that statement at all I believe you do as

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well I'm suggesting it's not the case that
I don't I'm speaking for myself that's

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fine Ok All right so what I'd like to do

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is just have

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a presentation made by. The representative
from the firm that prepared the report.

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Will have disc questions discussion with
this board I'm going to ask if there are

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other town boards or committees that have
questions comments well I will take those

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and I know that there are

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a number of residents here as well like
to hear comments questions concerns you

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have as well I just read respectfully ask
that if comments have been made already

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that there is no need to repeat comments
just so we can make sure that everybody

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has an opportunity to speak so
with do you understand there's not

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a vote to be taken by this board tonight
correct I would be very surprised if there

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were a vote by the spring 3 Ok
loss there is a no I did in

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a mis consent in the line in front of this
on to me which I'm not anticipating So

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just in context before we start
so I know that there have been

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a number of traffic reports that have
been prepared as part of the Park Central

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project since the project is taken on
its current form my understanding is

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that t e c has prepared

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a report on behalf of the project
proponent is that correct and that

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the town has had

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a peer review by green and green and
Peterson and that report actually was under

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the signature of Mr De Grey who's now with
tool design giving the presentation the

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c evening so t e c has prepared

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a response to the peer review and I guess
before we get started if you could just

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present the context at this
report has been prepared and

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I'll turn it over to Mr Bradley and this
is Mr chairman cochairman. To come in is

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that people who realize this
presentation of running

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a board tonight has nothing
to do to negli with the 40 b.

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Project. Through mass housing which we had
talked to and what happened was due to

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the fact it had nothing do to us I made

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a recommendation that it came to the
Board of Selectmen because it's your

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responsibility to do it but the 40 b.

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Has no connection to this particular
item so who funded this report

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missed the petri agreed to do the funding
of the report for the town in the

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donation and he also has agreed to do the
work that may be agreed by the Board of

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Selectmen to be done on the
road but as decision as

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a developer of the town.
Has agreed to do that

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well let's hear the presentation I'm not
sure whether I agree with that or not but

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I think it's relevant right
now. Good thank you.

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Good evening everybody thank you for
affording me the opportunity to present the

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findings of our study. So my
name is Jason De Grey I'm

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a licensed professional engineer
in state of Massachusetts I'm also

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a certified professional traffic operations
engineer I think the summary of how we

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got here tonight was was pretty accurate
I just want to state you know clearly I

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was engaged on behalf of the town as the
town's independent peer review consultant

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to review the Park Central project. That
was an independent process I'm not going

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to speak to much they about the Park
Central project or at all. But as

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a result of that peer review process we
ended up taking on this flag road in their

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foot road safety study to investigate
the conditions on the road and make

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recommendations as to what we see as
appropriate countermeasures for some of the

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concerns out there so today I am going to
present to you the findings of this study

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and recommendations I am going to try to
get through it in about 10 minutes at the

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most I think most of this is probably going
to be conversation amongst the board in

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the residence but with
that I do have about

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a 10 minute presentation to just walk you
through what we did in found and I will

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take it from there so heading
into the process we heard

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a lot of concerns about flagging different
road. Excessive vehicle speed as

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a cut through the presence of the
school children the lack of pedestrian

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accommodations and I would say all this was
accentuated by the Park Central project

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so. We're here tonight as

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a result of all these elements the limit
of the project if you can make it out

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is the full length of flag road to its
intersection different road and different

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road north to Main Street this in compass
is the entrance to the Trotter middle

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school. It's about one in

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a 10th mile or so 1.7 miles from and and
as was stated already it wasn't actually

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stayed there tonight both of these roads
flag road different roads are classified

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as collector roads which has some inherent
implications in terms of engineering in

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the functionalities of the roadways they're
intended to serve both local access and

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00:45:54,48 --> 00:46:00,70
some regional mobility so we had the full
length for the study area key findings of

427
00:46:00,71 --> 00:46:06,12
our study. Yes there are elevated vehicle
speeds along corridors the lack of

428
00:46:06,13 --> 00:46:10,29
pedestrian accommodations is notable and
we are recommending sidewalks along

429
00:46:10,30 --> 00:46:14,98
Deerfoot some intersection reconfigurations
and some strategic traffic calming down

430
00:46:14,99 --> 00:46:18,40
to get more into the details but you know
I'm not going to hide the fact of what

431
00:46:18,41 --> 00:46:24,56
the recommendations are in the study and
that's what they would be so it's very

432
00:46:24,57 --> 00:46:29,28
difficult to make out this is some data
that we collected as part of the process we

433
00:46:29,29 --> 00:46:36,22
collected full 24 hour volume counts
at 4 different locations along the

434
00:46:36,23 --> 00:46:42,59
road the traffic volume the sheer volume
of traffic today is not notable from the

435
00:46:42,60 --> 00:46:46,99
standpoint of what the functionality of the
roadway is and the volumes would expect

436
00:46:47,00 --> 00:46:52,34
to see on it volumes range anywhere
from south of a 1000 vehicles

437
00:46:52,35 --> 00:46:57,45
a day closer to Route 9 and build as you
head north to you know the northern parts

438
00:46:57,46 --> 00:47:03,93
of different road about
17500. 750 vehicle.

439
00:47:05,59 --> 00:47:11,08
So you know the roadway at the volume
of the roadway itself is not an any way

440
00:47:11,12 --> 00:47:16,22
inappropriate for collector road. And just
this graphic is basically showing your

441
00:47:16,23 --> 00:47:20,70
peeking over the course of the day the big
spike in the morning commute and then

442
00:47:20,71 --> 00:47:25,82
you have the more long gated plateau during
the evening commute it's fairly typical

443
00:47:26,05 --> 00:47:31,89
from what we see what is notable here the
speeds the speeds at these locations the

444
00:47:31,90 --> 00:47:36,18
85th percentile speed which is typically
how we measure operating speed on roadways

445
00:47:36,60 --> 00:47:42,33
ranges from 34 to 3033 to 38 miles an
hour depending on where you are no

446
00:47:42,34 --> 00:47:44,73
directionality of the road for post

447
00:47:44,74 --> 00:47:51,56
a road the posted speed limit of 25 miles
an hour we also surveyed the crash

448
00:47:51,57 --> 00:47:56,75
history along the road and this is from
the town police department crash records

449
00:47:57,31 --> 00:48:03,46
from the period of 20122014 there were 11
total crashes along the corridor. A lot

450
00:48:03,47 --> 00:48:06,72
of these were basically vehicles
departing the roadway and striking

451
00:48:07,00 --> 00:48:10,14
a fixed object there were
steps of a notable amount of

452
00:48:10,15 --> 00:48:14,54
a new breed of drivers that were part of
the process but what it does do is we

453
00:48:14,55 --> 00:48:17,26
measure roadways by crash rates and for

454
00:48:17,27 --> 00:48:20,73
a roadway segment and for
the type of roadway a flag

455
00:48:20,74 --> 00:48:23,97
a different road we are well north
of the average crash rate for

456
00:48:23,98 --> 00:48:26,92
a vehicle that we have
that type so there is

457
00:48:26,93 --> 00:48:32,57
a speed and safety concern that's confirmed
water in the biggest thing for me is

458
00:48:32,58 --> 00:48:38,88
this is the slide. My concern along the
roadway is the vulnerable users the

459
00:48:38,89 --> 00:48:43,69
bikers the walkers particular the school
age children walking along the road we

460
00:48:43,70 --> 00:48:47,84
know based on vehicle
speeds the likelihood of

461
00:48:47,85 --> 00:48:53,42
a fatality increases exponentially as
vehicle speed to go up if you're struck by

462
00:48:53,43 --> 00:48:56,48
a vehicle 20 miles an hour you may get
hurt but more than likely you're not going

463
00:48:56,49 --> 00:48:58,82
to die at 30 miles an
hour you've got about

464
00:48:58,83 --> 00:49:04,49
a 5050 shot up to 40 miles an hour or 85
percent your operational speeds out there

465
00:49:04,50 --> 00:49:07,14
upwards of 38 miles an hour is a higher

466
00:49:07,18 --> 00:49:11,80
a much higher safety risk for the buggers
in the users of that roadway than I would

467
00:49:11,81 --> 00:49:18,59
be comfortable with in my
community so recommendations

468
00:49:19,57 --> 00:49:24,54
but again we have to glaring
components of this we have

469
00:49:24,55 --> 00:49:29,71
a lack of pedestrian accommodations and we
have the elevated speeds now we can have

470
00:49:29,72 --> 00:49:34,51
countermeasures that address these in a
couple of different fashions but you have

471
00:49:34,52 --> 00:49:39,97
a pretty distinct difference between flag
road and different road flag road is at

472
00:49:39,98 --> 00:49:44,59
the covert narrowest 15 feet it's average
with is probably more about 20 up to

473
00:49:44,60 --> 00:49:51,59
$22.00. Deerfoot north of flag starts
about $23.00 ranges the 2627 feet

474
00:49:51,60 --> 00:49:58,43
so it's much wider north
the flag road. You

475
00:49:58,44 --> 00:50:02,30
also have some noted pedestrian draws along
the corridor you have the Sudbury or

476
00:50:02,34 --> 00:50:05,71
reservoir trail of course you
have the middle school you have

477
00:50:05,72 --> 00:50:10,27
a pedestrian path at the intersection of
flag and Deerfoot road that all these

478
00:50:10,28 --> 00:50:17,11
generate pedestrian activity. Without
safe and efficient combinations for

479
00:50:17,12 --> 00:50:22,98
that user so from the stretch from Main
Street to flag road you have the with out

480
00:50:22,99 --> 00:50:26,68
there today in an existing roadway
give or take a foot to get

481
00:50:26,72 --> 00:50:32,76
a compliant sidewalk in place on the
west side of the roadway. You could also

482
00:50:33,03 --> 00:50:37,39
enhanced the cross walk to the school
to me from a safety standpoint in

483
00:50:37,40 --> 00:50:42,98
a pedestrian accommodation.
It's a no brainer. It's

484
00:50:42,99 --> 00:50:48,45
a fairly good low impact you could do it
with minimal impact to butters even within

485
00:50:48,73 --> 00:50:54,18
the more likely that extra foot is still
within the town's right of way but even so

486
00:50:54,39 --> 00:50:57,63
there would be probably
minimal impacts value to get

487
00:50:57,64 --> 00:51:03,62
a sidewalk in place at the
intersection of flagging Deerfoot you

488
00:51:03,63 --> 00:51:08,25
a pretty skewed intersection when you
have acute angle intersections as it does

489
00:51:08,26 --> 00:51:10,95
today with the existing where you
have 2 intersections meeting at

490
00:51:10,96 --> 00:51:14,99
a fairly direct line to promote a vehicle
speeds vehicles will take that at

491
00:51:15,00 --> 00:51:17,49
a pretty rapid clip. You have

492
00:51:17,50 --> 00:51:22,67
a crossing here to the middle school I think
we could do better at this location in

493
00:51:22,68 --> 00:51:24,51
the long term or recommending

494
00:51:24,52 --> 00:51:28,53
a realignment to tighten the
intersection bring in different road to

495
00:51:28,54 --> 00:51:33,76
a conventional stop control make their foot
road the main line through movement in

496
00:51:33,77 --> 00:51:39,72
and beef up the pedestrian accommodations
at the intersection itself in the final

497
00:51:39,73 --> 00:51:44,34
recommendation has to do with flag road
south of there I think this is where I

498
00:51:44,46 --> 00:51:45,82
particularly find that there is

499
00:51:45,83 --> 00:51:52,81
a explicit need to do something for the
with of the roadway in this quarter or is

500
00:51:52,91 --> 00:51:57,02
such that. You don't really
have the ability to add

501
00:51:57,03 --> 00:52:01,26
a sidewalk without doing some pretty
significant damage to the body and context of

502
00:52:01,27 --> 00:52:06,52
the land use the old growth trees stone
walls these are all be heavily impacted on

503
00:52:06,53 --> 00:52:08,05
any scenario that we try to have to get

504
00:52:08,06 --> 00:52:12,81
a sidewalk in place so to provide that
pedestrian accommodation and this stretches

505
00:52:12,82 --> 00:52:19,14
the tiredly different. You know I'll
take our outcome so we're left with

506
00:52:19,15 --> 00:52:20,86
a situation where I can provide a safe

507
00:52:20,87 --> 00:52:24,79
a desperate accommodation off the road the
best thing I'm left to be able to deal

508
00:52:24,80 --> 00:52:29,29
with is to address the vehicle speeds
themself and try to get those speeds down to

509
00:52:29,30 --> 00:52:33,14
a place where there south of that 30
mile an hour live where we can have

510
00:52:33,15 --> 00:52:38,50
a pretty good bet that if someone is struck
they want to be killed I wasso have to

511
00:52:38,51 --> 00:52:41,94
say having been out there and walking along
the road it talking to the buggers I

512
00:52:41,95 --> 00:52:46,27
had one woman close to tears telling me
she feels trapped in her house I've done

513
00:52:46,28 --> 00:52:50,14
a number of these traffic calming projects
I did in the road in Framingham I don't

514
00:52:50,15 --> 00:52:54,28
think the stretch rises to the extent
necessary of Edna wrote Edmonds road but

515
00:52:54,29 --> 00:52:54,56
there is

516
00:52:54,57 --> 00:52:57,68
a significant concern out there and I think
that something needs to be addressed

517
00:52:58,20 --> 00:53:02,36
This is also backed up by the fact that
of all of those 11 crashes I mentioned 10

518
00:53:02,37 --> 00:53:07,52
of them are in that segment particularly
from I believe it's blackthorn or just

519
00:53:07,53 --> 00:53:13,98
north of Blackpool on the joy lane forget
Lover's Lane thank you. 9 that's where 10

520
00:53:13,99 --> 00:53:17,73
of your crashes occur and that's the case
in point of the narrowing of the road.

521
00:53:18,89 --> 00:53:24,84
And the you know bringing in the trees in
the stone walls So our recommendation for

522
00:53:24,85 --> 00:53:30,01
this stretch is strategically located traffic
calming elements what does that mean

523
00:53:30,64 --> 00:53:33,86
we are proposing a 5 speed hump or

524
00:53:33,87 --> 00:53:40,07
a coming off of Route 9 heading north the
intent here is vehicles coming off of

525
00:53:40,08 --> 00:53:44,81
Route 9 do so from a highway
speed and it takes time for

526
00:53:44,82 --> 00:53:48,79
a driver to acclimate to new surroundings
so they are all the way through your

527
00:53:48,80 --> 00:53:52,96
neighborhood going at speeds close to highway
speed before they really adapt to the

528
00:53:52,97 --> 00:53:58,55
context and start to drop some speed so we
want to hit them early and really drive

529
00:53:58,56 --> 00:54:03,01
the point home I know there's been some
traffic calming exploration elsewhere in

530
00:54:03,02 --> 00:54:09,89
town the elements over to the east
and I had the name before walking

531
00:54:09,90 --> 00:54:13,99
in. It was our bill that's

532
00:54:14,00 --> 00:54:17,17
a one off device pretty
far apart that's also

533
00:54:17,18 --> 00:54:20,05
a different device and what we're
going to be recommending that's

534
00:54:20,06 --> 00:54:26,28
a flat top raise the speed table we're
recommending humps. The other big thing is

535
00:54:26,29 --> 00:54:30,20
you have to space these elements every 500
feet or less or else they'd lose their

536
00:54:30,21 --> 00:54:32,22
effectiveness if it's a one off device

537
00:54:32,23 --> 00:54:36,19
a vehicle will slow locally and quickly
accelerate back to speed once they get far

538
00:54:36,20 --> 00:54:37,89
enough away this is

539
00:54:37,90 --> 00:54:42,21
a spacing that's been studied through
engineering practice in the recommendation

540
00:54:43,04 --> 00:54:47,37
and I can tell you one thing whether this
audience here tonight is in favor of this

541
00:54:47,38 --> 00:54:52,89
or not from an engineering standpoint it
will slow vehicles down in achieve its

542
00:54:52,90 --> 00:54:59,64
intended outcome there

543
00:54:59,65 --> 00:55:00,85
Lawson graphic you're on

544
00:55:00,86 --> 00:55:07,77
a bit later so one other 2
other real just ancillary

545
00:55:07,81 --> 00:55:13,15
pieces to this I'm sorry before you go
past speed bumps I apologize now or at any

546
00:55:13,16 --> 00:55:16,22
time further on do you have
a rendering or a picture of

547
00:55:16,23 --> 00:55:22,08
a speed hump I was actually driving I was
hoping. Yes no further on so it should be

548
00:55:22,09 --> 00:55:28,76
in that Power Point Yes and if
not all I can bring it up so the

549
00:55:29,14 --> 00:55:34,49
2 other recommendations at the curve of
flag road at blackthorn are lovers you have

550
00:55:34,50 --> 00:55:40,81
some side distance restrictions this is
probably the most contentious element of

551
00:55:40,85 --> 00:55:44,18
our you know discussion of what's an
appropriate countermeasure particular

552
00:55:44,19 --> 00:55:50,02
Blackthorn. Plain and simple that stonewall
limits your sight distance as you try

553
00:55:50,03 --> 00:55:55,39
to exit the intersection. That to me frankly
when we go back to all the way to the

554
00:55:55,40 --> 00:56:00,65
Park Central review that element had a
bigger meaning to me when there was

555
00:56:00,66 --> 00:56:04,83
a axis actually being discussed that would
eventually fall some of the traffic

556
00:56:04,84 --> 00:56:09,97
through blackthorn drive that's no longer
the case so I'm not as tied into you know

557
00:56:09,98 --> 00:56:15,21
the intersection site distance
element here as I once was but it is

558
00:56:15,22 --> 00:56:18,40
a clear sight distance for search and
there's also some issues from the lover's

559
00:56:18,41 --> 00:56:23,72
lane. You also have the ability discuss
your dynamic feed back display signs this

560
00:56:23,73 --> 00:56:28,63
is just to inform the motorists that speed
that they're operating compared to the.

561
00:56:31,22 --> 00:56:35,98
Posted speed and it's something that
could be considered in the short term I

562
00:56:35,99 --> 00:56:37,25
apologize because I have

563
00:56:37,26 --> 00:56:59,85
a graphic. That

564
00:56:59,86 --> 00:57:00,03
is.

565
00:57:10,08 --> 00:57:10,80
What most

566
00:57:20,96 --> 00:57:24,72
. Shopping malls a speed hump is

567
00:57:24,73 --> 00:57:30,32
a $12.00 to $14.00 foot elongated parabolic
curb its if anyone's from really what

568
00:57:30,33 --> 00:57:34,93
admins wrote it's what's down on it admins
wrote in Framingham it slows vehicles to

569
00:57:34,94 --> 00:57:40,77
about 23 to 25 miles an hour it's gentle
it hits the entire intent is they hit the

570
00:57:40,78 --> 00:57:43,69
sweet spot between being
obstructive enough to

571
00:57:43,70 --> 00:57:48,41
a driver that they are forced to slow but
gentle enough so if somebody hits that at

572
00:57:48,42 --> 00:57:50,35
a you know decent speed it's not

573
00:57:50,36 --> 00:57:56,90
a jarring impact with huge bangs
and other otherwise that is my

574
00:57:56,91 --> 00:58:02,04
presentation I'm happy to answer questions
from the board and from the public as

575
00:58:02,05 --> 00:58:03,66
necessary so just

576
00:58:03,67 --> 00:58:10,42
a couple. Pass it down the line so now

577
00:58:10,43 --> 00:58:15,06
roads tree lined roads to lots of homes
with with children I would think that

578
00:58:15,07 --> 00:58:17,51
statement would apply to up to

579
00:58:17,52 --> 00:58:24,48
a dozen or more streets in our town so.
Potential why flag road is part of

580
00:58:24,49 --> 00:58:26,89
the study definitely serves a function of

581
00:58:26,90 --> 00:58:31,62
a bypass of Route 9 to Main Street I mean
I there is no doubt that while I can't

582
00:58:31,63 --> 00:58:35,00
characterize this cut through traffic
as the functionality the road is not

583
00:58:35,04 --> 00:58:40,91
a local road it's definitely
rural in nature windy. Serving

584
00:58:40,95 --> 00:58:45,03
a high speed environment
traffic looking to cut through

585
00:58:45,04 --> 00:58:49,04
a local neighborhood which gives me
some additional pause that this is not

586
00:58:49,05 --> 00:58:54,65
a typical roadway condition in Southborough
So the and one of the graphics that you

587
00:58:54,66 --> 00:58:59,65
would show in that has the that graph with
this fight in the morning and you had

588
00:58:59,66 --> 00:59:06,09
reference to commuter traffic at that time
yes so that Spike also coincides with

589
00:59:06,54 --> 00:59:11,67
the start of the music programs at the
Trottier Middle School which is where I came

590
00:59:11,68 --> 00:59:17,12
from before when I was late coming here it
was an auditorium full of parents there

591
00:59:17,18 --> 00:59:21,66
so I think my opinion I think what you're
also seeing and that's what's greatly

592
00:59:21,67 --> 00:59:27,93
contributing to it is parents that are
going over those speed bumps that you had

593
00:59:27,94 --> 00:59:31,21
twice you don't want to bring in
their child to school and then

594
00:59:31,22 --> 00:59:32,32
a short time later within

595
00:59:32,33 --> 00:59:37,74
a minute driving over that same device and
heading off. Instant tiredly possible

596
00:59:37,75 --> 00:59:38,21
there's certainly

597
00:59:38,22 --> 00:59:44,64
a significant amount of school related
traffic in that Spike So does that impact

598
00:59:46,62 --> 00:59:51,17
say that you know part of that Spike is
attributable to that does that impact that

599
00:59:51,41 --> 00:59:54,44
not recommendations not
at all I mean to me it's

600
00:59:54,45 --> 01:00:00,00
a basic you know you're talking either
you're. My concern is the pedestrian

601
01:00:00,15 --> 01:00:02,95
environment along these roadways the

602
01:00:02,96 --> 01:00:06,78
a direct the butter's along these roadways
are essentially land locked in their

603
01:00:06,79 --> 01:00:07,73
property if I'm taking

604
01:00:07,74 --> 01:00:13,76
a very high end stance on this and that
stretch of flag road rises close if not to

605
01:00:13,77 --> 01:00:19,26
that level it's not comfortable to
walk on Flag road in that stretch when

606
01:00:19,27 --> 01:00:22,90
a vehicle is barreling down at you close
to 40 miles an hour it doesn't matter if

607
01:00:22,91 --> 01:00:28,22
they're cut through commuters or mothers
bringing their children to school or

608
01:00:28,23 --> 01:00:34,91
fathers or fathers damn.
So immediately I would

609
01:00:35,06 --> 01:00:35,28
ask

610
01:00:35,29 --> 01:00:40,92
a police chief to mediately look into the
issue of. You know those speeds on that

611
01:00:40,93 --> 01:00:47,66
roadway if you haven't already in whatever
you can do you mediately does help

612
01:00:47,67 --> 01:00:52,55
curb that whether it's additional surveillance
whatever you can do that would be

613
01:00:53,26 --> 01:00:59,100
greatly. And I would like to
you know through to purple

614
01:01:00,46 --> 01:01:05,87
I would like to know what. You know plans
you might be able might have been able to

615
01:01:05,88 --> 01:01:12,74
do. Other options so if you've

616
01:01:12,75 --> 01:01:18,05
done anything similar you mention Framingham
but other things similar to this kind

617
01:01:18,06 --> 01:01:23,38
of roadway this kind of development come
in and if you have what kind of results if

618
01:01:23,39 --> 01:01:29,29
you see I've done traffic calming in
private development work you know the full

619
01:01:29,33 --> 01:01:36,12
range i Pad traffic calming programs installed
in Framingham West would the city of

620
01:01:36,13 --> 01:01:41,33
Boston depending on different environments
different things are factors in your

621
01:01:41,34 --> 01:01:47,75
consideration of also how these elements
implemented implemented as mitigation for

622
01:01:47,76 --> 01:01:54,62
private development projects the take away
from traffic calming is it will achieve

623
01:01:54,66 --> 01:02:01,41
its intended goal but you better be
sure you want it the. Concern in places

624
01:02:01,42 --> 01:02:04,00
where safety is clearly
noted admin's road where

625
01:02:04,01 --> 01:02:08,46
a man lost his life or some of the early
installations in Brookline I've been back

626
01:02:08,50 --> 01:02:13,64
afterwards and surveyed residents all
to it see the the local residents the

627
01:02:13,65 --> 01:02:17,94
director butters come back and say well
we may have some new ones to this that we

628
01:02:17,95 --> 01:02:20,41
don't love we would never you know go in

629
01:02:20,42 --> 01:02:25,46
a different direction that it made its mark.
You're commuting traffic is not going

630
01:02:25,47 --> 01:02:27,48
to like it you're d.p.w.

631
01:02:27,49 --> 01:02:31,01
Maintenance 1st responders are going to
have concerns these are issues that could

632
01:02:31,02 --> 01:02:35,84
be dealt with and discussed but it will
achieve its goal of lowering speeds and my

633
01:02:35,85 --> 01:02:41,12
fundamental singular objective here is to
ensure safety of the of the roadway users

634
01:02:46,99 --> 01:02:53,49
want to it's not just feed its volume we're
discussing I would really like to have

635
01:02:53,89 --> 01:02:58,43
the residents ask questions because they
may have an issue that we're not even

636
01:02:58,44 --> 01:03:03,82
aware of before and Liam's but it's not
just speed volume and I don't know if we

637
01:03:03,83 --> 01:03:05,20
looked at Main Street as far as

638
01:03:05,21 --> 01:03:08,93
a traffic light with this type of volume
with the Main Street Project that's

639
01:03:08,94 --> 01:03:14,66
a whole other issue I did the volumes don't
dictate the day what they want out of

640
01:03:14,67 --> 01:03:15,16
a warrant for

641
01:03:15,17 --> 01:03:19,23
a signal on Main Street I mean I know volumes
are concerned but the plain truth of

642
01:03:19,24 --> 01:03:23,26
the data is the volume out there is not
that significant where I'd be saying you

643
01:03:23,27 --> 01:03:28,33
have. A fundamental capacity issue or
there's some type of signal ization need

644
01:03:28,95 --> 01:03:32,27
that's not from the engineers
perspective the nature of the issue

645
01:03:37,44 --> 01:03:37,57
and

646
01:03:38,11 --> 01:03:44,05
a couple questions before we put it on the
floor just to take off and on the volume

647
01:03:44,78 --> 01:03:48,82
point 1st you talked about
current volumes correct yes it.

648
01:03:52,93 --> 01:03:57,96
Is our or what's in place on Edmunds road
in Framingham what you're talking about

649
01:03:57,97 --> 01:04:04,65
here yes I am familiar with that I still
like you to find it but. I do. The I'm

650
01:04:04,66 --> 01:04:08,76
familiar with what what you're talking
about there I do agree that. You know I

651
01:04:08,77 --> 01:04:13,33
traveled Evan's road both before and after
it does. I'm not going to get it back

652
01:04:13,34 --> 01:04:14,84
from the Powerpoint but I do have

653
01:04:15,20 --> 01:04:18,23
a copy of this and just bypass around maybe
the residents will like to look at it

654
01:04:18,24 --> 01:04:20,68
later that's the difference between

655
01:04:20,69 --> 01:04:27,13
a conventional speed bump in the middle in
the speed hump at the lower picture yeah

656
01:04:27,13 --> 01:04:31,51
. You have striping you have paint
well before that is yes it's

657
01:04:31,52 --> 01:04:38,41
a fairly significant visual
as well as Yes Ok. So

658
01:04:38,46 --> 01:04:44,50
if I understand this correctly
the speed bumps. Are

659
01:04:44,51 --> 01:04:51,25
a sort of secondary measure to what you
prefer if we could do it which is sidewalks

660
01:04:51,60 --> 01:04:55,18
correct you're not proposing speed
homes for Deerfoot because I don't for

661
01:04:55,19 --> 01:04:57,07
a sidewalk Yes if we had room for

662
01:04:57,08 --> 01:05:00,74
a sidewalk on Flag I assume that's that
would have been your recommendation as well

663
01:05:00,74 --> 01:05:07,64
. You're. Talking to The only

664
01:05:07,65 --> 01:05:13,57
other question I'll ask now and reserve the
right to come back is you talking about

665
01:05:13,58 --> 01:05:15,64
cut through traffic that starts out at

666
01:05:15,65 --> 01:05:20,47
a high speed so I'm assuming you're talking
about traffic coming off 9 on to flag

667
01:05:20,97 --> 01:05:27,69
westbound traffic cutting through flag from
9 correct I'm not going to cut through

668
01:05:27,70 --> 01:05:29,29
traffic I mean I think that's it is

669
01:05:29,30 --> 01:05:33,05
a clear distinction of we in this came
up in previous discussion all right the

670
01:05:33,06 --> 01:05:36,27
characterization of cut through wasn't the
point of my question the point that I

671
01:05:36,28 --> 01:05:42,01
was trying to make but we're talking when
we talk about the need to mitigate I

672
01:05:42,02 --> 01:05:47,92
don't understand. I do what
westbound Route 9 traffic.

673
01:05:49,76 --> 01:05:55,79
Turning on to flag road to go anywhere
other than flag road I assume turns on

674
01:05:55,80 --> 01:05:59,84
Deerfoot or park or Bill or any one of the
other opportunities to turn there's very

675
01:05:59,85 --> 01:06:02,83
little reason to go all the way to flag
and then come back I think it's the

676
01:06:02,87 --> 01:06:05,35
eastbound Route 9 taking a u.

677
01:06:05,36 --> 01:06:09,92
Turn and trying to skirt up and avoid the
9 congestions is more of the concern.

678
01:06:11,51 --> 01:06:17,09
What I want to clarify but taking a u.

679
01:06:17,10 --> 01:06:20,39
Turn again to taking a u.

680
01:06:20,40 --> 01:06:25,28
Turn at middle road I assume right and
so they have the chance no of course you

681
01:06:25,29 --> 01:06:28,79
can't sorry. Fair enough

682
01:06:33,03 --> 01:06:36,89
all right for now it's all questions
I have I do want to give the folks

683
01:06:36,90 --> 01:06:42,52
a chance and you know I'd like to
start. To get opinions from d.p.w.

684
01:06:42,56 --> 01:06:44,38
And police and fire chiefs

685
01:06:53,38 --> 01:06:59,57
if you do have questions comments on the
recommendations that have been presented

686
01:07:03,42 --> 01:07:10,10
it went out there something.
In the back row. So

687
01:07:10,22 --> 01:07:12,77
this just a comment this was

688
01:07:12,78 --> 01:07:17,16
a Bennett's meetings about about the Park
Central and where people were saying the

689
01:07:17,20 --> 01:07:24,03
road was unsafe which is kind of the
impetus for for the safety study. As far

690
01:07:24,04 --> 01:07:29,41
as what ends up happening on the road some
stuff that had come up or comes up in

691
01:07:29,42 --> 01:07:31,30
this in this report like

692
01:07:31,52 --> 01:07:38,39
a center line stripe. A The driver feedback
signs that tell you how fast you are

693
01:07:38,40 --> 01:07:45,06
going and. There is one of the things
I should put the note better on they

694
01:07:45,27 --> 01:07:48,19
those are sort of signage though that is

695
01:07:48,20 --> 01:07:51,88
a little bit easier implementation we can
do that fairly quickly if people don't

696
01:07:51,89 --> 01:07:57,63
object to the stripe I know that can be
an issue sometimes as residents. Anything

697
01:07:57,67 --> 01:08:02,73
else that would have to happen is a little
bit more detailed I think we would need

698
01:08:02,74 --> 01:08:06,46
a lot of discussion with residents and
really make sure we weighed out all the

699
01:08:06,47 --> 01:08:10,60
different things that people were interested
in or really opposed to before we went

700
01:08:11,05 --> 01:08:15,31
too far with anything but.
Because it will and will involve

701
01:08:15,35 --> 01:08:21,65
a significant piece of money one other
thing just quick is that as I know Mr some

702
01:08:21,66 --> 01:08:26,91
you know keeps asking about this but the
memo filing if you look at what the d.o.t.

703
01:08:27,57 --> 01:08:32,20
Comments are on that for the Park Central
they do recommend looking at 3 different

704
01:08:32,21 --> 01:08:36,46
things about the Route 9 and 5 road
intersection and one of them's to turn that

705
01:08:36,47 --> 01:08:37,20
into a 91 of

706
01:08:37,21 --> 01:08:41,09
a mystery straight back to the way they
were supposed to straight originally when

707
01:08:41,10 --> 01:08:44,69
they paved so I just want people to know
that that's still an that's in the works

708
01:08:44,70 --> 01:08:47,65
of looking at and actually
looking at the war for

709
01:08:47,66 --> 01:08:52,00
a traffic light there are standing is
doesn't meet the warrant for state wouldn't

710
01:08:52,01 --> 01:08:57,76
traffic light. But anything that has to do
with that the town will be up on the at

711
01:08:57,77 --> 01:09:02,94
the table for that and when that happens.
We'll obviously bring that back to the

712
01:09:02,95 --> 01:09:04,57
select board and it'll be

713
01:09:04,58 --> 01:09:10,11
a public meeting so people know what happens
with that intersection and then the

714
01:09:10,12 --> 01:09:16,98
last thing is just one thing when we when
we reviewed this and we looked at it. If

715
01:09:17,54 --> 01:09:22,95
I know I know it's a huge character
change for the road if we were to put

716
01:09:22,99 --> 01:09:28,24
a sidewalk on it and I just I want everyone
understand that we're very aware of

717
01:09:28,25 --> 01:09:33,69
that but if it is something where people
are looking to try to be able to walk on

718
01:09:33,70 --> 01:09:37,56
the road if I know people probably bought
on Flag road with the intention that they

719
01:09:37,57 --> 01:09:41,32
would necessarily be walking down the road
and there they like the character of the

720
01:09:41,36 --> 01:09:46,72
road and we have many like that in town
but if. But that discussion is going to

721
01:09:46,73 --> 01:09:50,56
have to be had because that is the safest
way if we are looking to have pedestrians

722
01:09:50,57 --> 01:09:55,43
and children walk to school. Again it's
not necessarily my recommendation or

723
01:09:55,44 --> 01:09:59,46
anything it's just these discussions really
have to come up and be fairly thorough

724
01:09:59,46 --> 01:09:59,46
.

725
01:10:06,54 --> 01:10:13,23
Chief I would echo what Ms Galligan said.
I think if you're going to look at doing

726
01:10:13,24 --> 01:10:16,94
speed humps or anything along those lines
there's going to have to be more of

727
01:10:16,95 --> 01:10:22,33
a discussion obviously my concerns from the
from the fire side are not only safety

728
01:10:22,34 --> 01:10:27,59
of pedestrians in vehicle traffic but also
efficiency of response for the residents

729
01:10:27,60 --> 01:10:34,55
of the community as well. We have the
speed part of the road there is data out

730
01:10:34,56 --> 01:10:41,16
there that you're looking anywhere from 2.8
seconds to 9 seconds delay depending on

731
01:10:41,17 --> 01:10:45,07
what type of response vehicle and if we're
transporting somebody in the ambulance

732
01:10:45,08 --> 01:10:48,63
or not so that those are the concerns when
we're dealing with those I think when we

733
01:10:48,92 --> 01:10:54,89
discussed the study originally with Mr
Grey we did talk about doing the signage

734
01:10:55,46 --> 01:10:56,62
striping as a as

735
01:10:56,63 --> 01:11:01,35
a 1st step in maybe trying to mitigate
some of those speeds in that area and then

736
01:11:01,36 --> 01:11:06,25
looking to see how that. Plays out afterwards
and whether we need to look at the

737
01:11:06,26 --> 01:11:10,99
speed issue along that road a lot of
the other recommendations tonight

738
01:11:11,00 --> 01:11:15,88
a very good I think we all agree that
there should be some type of pedestrian

739
01:11:15,89 --> 01:11:19,53
safety way along some of that
roadway knowing that it is

740
01:11:19,57 --> 01:11:24,50
a narrow road particularly flag road and
getting that in there is probably going to

741
01:11:24,51 --> 01:11:28,44
be very difficult so that may not. Be

742
01:11:28,45 --> 01:11:34,15
a logical step in doing so. But it's worth
exploring in any way I think the board

743
01:11:34,16 --> 01:11:37,62
should consider that but that's going
to take some time and it's going to be

744
01:11:38,02 --> 01:11:41,93
a long discussion on that so I think
you know for the most part it's

745
01:11:41,94 --> 01:11:44,17
a very good report there are

746
01:11:44,18 --> 01:11:48,02
a couple things I think we would like to
see tried 1st before we go the speed humps

747
01:11:48,03 --> 01:11:53,84
in do those things but you know certainly
should give due consideration but I think

748
01:11:53,85 --> 01:12:00,18
it's going to be longer discussion.
John Paul's The police chief

749
01:12:01,17 --> 01:12:06,89
just think in addressing some of the concerns
and Loren Faustman they look at the 3

750
01:12:06,90 --> 01:12:13,39
B.'s education and Gene airing in enforcement
as you care. You can do through the

751
01:12:13,40 --> 01:12:14,69
media or a signage on

752
01:12:14,70 --> 01:12:20,28
a roadway Engineering's being addressed
tonight it's kind of going to go into

753
01:12:20,61 --> 01:12:26,43
Karyn's field as we're seeing tonight
and then the 3rd aspect which police

754
01:12:26,44 --> 01:12:33,39
department would be. Weighing in on would
be enforcement one thing to address Mr

755
01:12:33,40 --> 01:12:38,77
Clinton's question is I think it was partly
answered by selectman Shea when he said

756
01:12:39,00 --> 01:12:40,56
we have at least

757
01:12:40,57 --> 01:12:44,81
a dozen of the streets that meet the same
criteria I would say it's well north of

758
01:12:44,82 --> 01:12:49,97
that we're aware of the problem areas
especially at rush hour time we have some

759
01:12:49,98 --> 01:12:54,97
Impala constraints where we're trying to
address the problem areas and then also

760
01:12:55,76 --> 01:13:00,92
just answer our calls to service along the
commuter routes all over town disable

761
01:13:00,93 --> 01:13:06,10
vehicles accidents and also having to
have the school resource officer at the

762
01:13:06,11 --> 01:13:12,40
schools so we're well aware of the areas
we just try to you know move our people

763
01:13:12,41 --> 01:13:18,27
around a little bit and each place and
kind of do the best we can that being said

764
01:13:18,81 --> 01:13:23,92
a lot that's been presented here tonight
I think Akhil what the fire chief morrow

765
01:13:23,93 --> 01:13:30,70
said a lot of good ideas and I just think
look at the accident data. There are

766
01:13:30,71 --> 01:13:33,42
a lot of one cars and one area of

767
01:13:34,37 --> 01:13:38,05
a lot of intoxicated drivers
in those 11 accidents over

768
01:13:38,06 --> 01:13:42,19
a 3 year period and we can take some of
the ideas and I don't think it hurts to

769
01:13:42,20 --> 01:13:47,17
layer some of these ideas and see how they
were can assess and move forward from

770
01:13:47,18 --> 01:13:53,68
there but well aware of the enforcement
aspect we'll try and move some people over

771
01:13:53,69 --> 01:13:55,64
there and you know collect
some data we have

772
01:13:55,65 --> 01:14:01,35
a sign that we can put up to collect
them for the data on the roadway and.

773
01:14:03,17 --> 01:14:06,75
Well look at it over the next month or 2
and collect some that are and see if we

774
01:14:06,76 --> 01:14:09,79
can go forward from there thank you.

775
01:14:18,44 --> 01:14:23,44
If there's that one quick thing. What
everyone has said you know this is going to

776
01:14:23,45 --> 01:14:27,21
be a process there is you know if this
were to go forward there's not only

777
01:14:27,22 --> 01:14:29,93
a public process that probably
needs to play out there's still

778
01:14:29,94 --> 01:14:34,82
a design review process that is at hand
as well where the concept level basically

779
01:14:34,83 --> 01:14:37,19
step one would say there's you know for

780
01:14:37,20 --> 01:14:41,88
a project like this at least one if not
2 more design steps they'll probably be

781
01:14:41,89 --> 01:14:47,35
better than discussed. So from an engineering
perspective that's the process that's

782
01:14:47,36 --> 01:14:51,70
proven effective in the
past so I know there's

783
01:14:51,71 --> 01:14:56,06
a number of residents that have come tonight
thank you for doing that this report

784
01:14:56,07 --> 01:14:58,86
has been out on the Web site for for

785
01:14:58,87 --> 01:15:05,41
a bit now. I know I for want of very curious
to hear other opinions and ideas from

786
01:15:05,42 --> 01:15:10,45
those who are live on Flag road and on
the streets directly off if you do have

787
01:15:10,46 --> 01:15:14,86
questions or comments if you could please
go to the microphone station name and

788
01:15:14,87 --> 01:15:21,80
address and your comment to Martell
7 Bantry road I'll keep it short

789
01:15:22,19 --> 01:15:23,57
I know he said that you're not taking

790
01:15:23,58 --> 01:15:27,89
a vote tonight as the weather gets warmer
there is one thing you could do tonight

791
01:15:28,30 --> 01:15:35,02
and that is you could ban parking on the
road from commercial vehicles the road is

792
01:15:35,03 --> 01:15:37,25
tough enough to get around
you come around that bend

793
01:15:37,26 --> 01:15:41,74
a lover's lane you never know what's coming
at you you know cars coming across the

794
01:15:41,75 --> 01:15:47,33
middle line you've got pedestrians in your
lane and then you have these situations

795
01:15:47,34 --> 01:15:48,06
where you've got

796
01:15:48,25 --> 01:15:53,80
a landscaping truck right there and people
are swerving So if you were going to

797
01:15:53,81 --> 01:15:57,58
vote tonight I would urge
you ban that thank you.

798
01:16:01,31 --> 01:16:07,01
Thank you for inviting comments when I was
just a pro 34 different road. I've been

799
01:16:07,02 --> 01:16:10,50
a resident for 13 years. And I've have

800
01:16:10,51 --> 01:16:17,44
a son who's 11 who are refused to enter
Deerfoot or flack. One aspect of this these

801
01:16:17,45 --> 01:16:18,93
roads is that they're

802
01:16:18,94 --> 01:16:23,86
a magnet for people if you see people
jogging their kids walking from home from

803
01:16:23,87 --> 01:16:29,36
school bicycling home from school people
will be on the road and I'd like to offer

804
01:16:29,67 --> 01:16:30,45
perspective as

805
01:16:30,46 --> 01:16:38,35
a. Physician working in level one
trauma centers for 20 years. This

806
01:16:38,36 --> 01:16:38,56
is

807
01:16:38,57 --> 01:16:46,03
a disaster waiting to happen soft bodies
multi-ton vehicles are bad combo and

808
01:16:46,04 --> 01:16:51,01
I think in while fatality rates change with
speed the issue here is of exposure we

809
01:16:51,02 --> 01:16:56,96
have many people on the roadways we have
800-2700 trips per day presently if this

810
01:16:56,97 --> 01:17:01,27
development pours on to flag road you're
going to triple whatever the number is

811
01:17:01,28 --> 01:17:05,10
double triple quadruple the exposure of
pedestrians who are committed to walk on

812
01:17:05,11 --> 01:17:08,24
these roads these are their
neighborhoods they are living in

813
01:17:08,25 --> 01:17:13,71
a rural community because they enjoy the
outdoors these are beautiful spaces and

814
01:17:13,75 --> 01:17:20,54
people would die if if this. 300 person
development goes in and decent empties on

815
01:17:20,55 --> 01:17:24,85
Flag people will die so you need
another alternative unless it's

816
01:17:24,86 --> 01:17:31,37
a sidewalk that goes from 30 to Route 9
this. This development has to enter on

817
01:17:31,65 --> 01:17:34,31
9 for 95 or 30 you need

818
01:17:34,32 --> 01:17:39,30
a state highway for this project which
looks to grow our population by 10 percent

819
01:17:39,49 --> 01:17:42,05
that this is the urban
planning issue is not

820
01:17:42,06 --> 01:17:50,90
a neighborhood issue thank you for. I

821
01:17:50,91 --> 01:17:57,90
mean like children

822
01:17:58,48 --> 01:18:05,32
here I have never allowed that when
they were young to Christ like or watch

823
01:18:05,33 --> 01:18:11,35
school. I don't think that the
people who live on I have

824
01:18:12,44 --> 01:18:18,80
any thoughts that it's safe to walk I
mean I don't know anybody that actually

825
01:18:18,81 --> 01:18:24,69
really does walk out flag
at. The North and 23.

826
01:18:26,60 --> 01:18:31,59
But you mentioned going to try to here in
the morning I wouldn't fight to pull into

827
01:18:31,60 --> 01:18:38,54
my driveway at rush hour and try to pull
out and think about your children walking

828
01:18:38,55 --> 01:18:45,15
on that road so. Something has to be done

829
01:18:46,51 --> 01:18:52,06
I don't know what it is but something has
to be done it's safe to add that much

830
01:18:52,07 --> 01:18:56,76
traffic to flag we've all lived with it
at the level of the traffic there is now

831
01:18:57,14 --> 01:19:02,67
we've all taught our children to be safe
we've. Learned to pull out of our driveway

832
01:19:02,68 --> 01:19:07,10
safely if you triple the volume on
like road you're looking for people

833
01:19:10,76 --> 01:19:10,89
that.

834
01:19:17,47 --> 01:19:20,98
Little bottle we need a resident
of 62 won't kill road and

835
01:19:20,99 --> 01:19:24,11
a comment that was just made
and this is strictly as

836
01:19:24,12 --> 01:19:29,81
a resident of Ok if I would like to see the
board to consider mandating that there

837
01:19:29,82 --> 01:19:33,76
is no commercial vehicles allowed to
be packed on any of the roads in Qana

838
01:19:33,77 --> 01:19:39,07
Southborough Ok all road has the same process
on Thursday and Friday there's 4 or 5

839
01:19:39,08 --> 01:19:40,24
different landscape is it

840
01:19:40,25 --> 01:19:45,13
a there the traffic going to Route 9 is
backed up down to the mast turnpike bridge

841
01:19:45,35 --> 01:19:49,23
and there's 2 or 3 landscapers packed
in the road in the profit some time is

842
01:19:49,50 --> 01:19:53,64
blocked up all the way down no kill road
to they can't pass to get up so I think it

843
01:19:53,65 --> 01:19:57,83
was time to board consider to doing all
the roads in the Thomas top row so Mr but

844
01:19:57,84 --> 01:20:01,94
only just to follow up on that missed
Martell's question as well so what would the

845
01:20:01,95 --> 01:20:06,69
suggested be so those those who do hire
landscapers they need to park somewhere

846
01:20:06,70 --> 01:20:09,86
when they're doing their work what with
the suggestion be for where they should

847
01:20:09,87 --> 01:20:12,36
park Well I would think that
they would have to do it in

848
01:20:12,37 --> 01:20:18,97
a park in the driveways of you know where
they should be doing doing the work. You

849
01:20:18,98 --> 01:20:25,13
know and I think that if you clarify
that it's commercial vehicles only so

850
01:20:25,14 --> 01:20:28,71
residents and they're having an event or
something want to park on the road they

851
01:20:28,72 --> 01:20:33,37
should be able to do that but to get
these dump trucks in the box trail is it

852
01:20:33,38 --> 01:20:36,72
anomaly there and it basically the landscape
is that are doing it all over the

853
01:20:36,73 --> 01:20:41,68
place and it's all kinds of different places
in town and I think other people would

854
01:20:41,69 --> 01:20:45,07
make the same comments it would be
considered to do it everywhere.

855
01:20:49,64 --> 01:20:53,52
That I'd love to hear it's going to doesn't
have to be tonight but at some point

856
01:20:53,53 --> 01:20:57,71
I'd like your recommendation on that police
chief you know enforcement what do you

857
01:20:57,72 --> 01:21:02,30
think we could do we want
to do some Thank you

858
01:21:10,29 --> 01:21:12,48
Good evening Michael Robins I'm

859
01:21:12,49 --> 01:21:16,84
a new resident of South borough 47
Deerfoot road I've been here for about

860
01:21:16,85 --> 01:21:21,37
a month I'm going to 3 year old on Deerfoot
right in front of try to your school

861
01:21:21,38 --> 01:21:25,06
and I have to say I am pretty
shocked. I knew there would be

862
01:21:25,83 --> 01:21:31,94
a high volume of traffic but the amount of
distracted driving the amount of overall

863
01:21:32,10 --> 01:21:39,08
flow through traffic on that flag
intersection every day and it like is

864
01:21:39,09 --> 01:21:40,43
someone who drives quite

865
01:21:40,44 --> 01:21:44,12
a bit I'm shocked at the high rate of speed
that goes through there and the volume

866
01:21:44,13 --> 01:21:50,52
of traffic. Is one of just kind of
bring it being new to the town I don't

867
01:21:50,53 --> 01:21:54,100
understand. Where everything is but I
understand there's been an integration of

868
01:21:55,01 --> 01:21:56,16
a 40 and 40 b.

869
01:21:56,17 --> 01:22:01,61
Project I don't know the backstory or
the history associated with that find

870
01:22:01,62 --> 01:22:08,44
interesting and it's. It's really that
impact looks to be quite severe on really

871
01:22:08,45 --> 01:22:12,75
rural and residential area and
I do notice that there is

872
01:22:12,76 --> 01:22:17,31
a significant amount of joggers kids
walking to school and I would really would

873
01:22:17,32 --> 01:22:21,79
implore the board to take an
active role I know this is

874
01:22:21,80 --> 01:22:26,51
a separate zoning board onto itself but
having been on a local board and being

875
01:22:27,07 --> 01:22:32,45
a former clerk of board as well I know
that the most boards communicate well with

876
01:22:32,46 --> 01:22:37,21
each other and there is integration of the
boards and oversight and I just want to

877
01:22:37,22 --> 01:22:41,33
make sure the board is actively
involved in that 40 b.

878
01:22:41,34 --> 01:22:42,49
Slash 40

879
01:22:42,50 --> 01:22:48,50
a project and then increase volume and
density of traffic on those roads and as

880
01:22:48,51 --> 01:22:54,17
residents here so I would ask you to please
look at that density look into those

881
01:22:54,18 --> 01:23:00,04
projects. I question the integration of
the 2 but again I don't know the history

882
01:23:00,05 --> 01:23:04,41
there and I really implore your involvement
there and to help with the high density

883
01:23:04,46 --> 01:23:11,40
proposals going forward Thank you. Good

884
01:23:11,41 --> 01:23:15,61
evening John Green tensor road
I think you know Mr degraded

885
01:23:15,62 --> 01:23:18,40
a great job representing what's going on

886
01:23:18,41 --> 01:23:22,60
a flat road today and it's pretty obvious
that all of us feel in this room the road

887
01:23:22,61 --> 01:23:29,57
is way too narrow. Main Street projects the
chair mentioned you know we really need

888
01:23:29,58 --> 01:23:34,91
to have 11 foot wide to 11 foot wide lanes
and pedestrian safety we've had the same

889
01:23:34,92 --> 01:23:40,03
number of accidents in the corridor flag
road in Deerfoot as we've had out on Main

890
01:23:40,04 --> 01:23:43,11
Street right with I don't even know x.

891
01:23:43,12 --> 01:23:49,03
Amount of probably 18th of the traffic
right in existing conditions so as you see

892
01:23:49,04 --> 01:23:53,13
that go up the tree at the traffic data is
there that that the crash rates are are

893
01:23:53,14 --> 01:23:57,81
so much higher in this in the small little
area. I think we've only addressed half

894
01:23:57,82 --> 01:24:03,66
of the problem the other problem is
where flag 9 I realize that there's

895
01:24:03,67 --> 01:24:09,59
a mass study that's out on the Web site
the 4959 development study and the

896
01:24:09,63 --> 01:24:14,57
developer actually at the last minute
went to move the process so that the gas

897
01:24:14,58 --> 01:24:19,43
station the existing office building in
the hotels would also access out to flag

898
01:24:19,44 --> 01:24:26,11
room so the understanding in the big picture
is that the mass dot wants to close

899
01:24:26,15 --> 01:24:30,63
the park Central So all of these studies
we've been looking at are looking at data

900
01:24:30,64 --> 01:24:32,19
around the 40 in the 40 b.

901
01:24:32,68 --> 01:24:36,78
Right and in additional hotel that they'd
like to build along with an assisted

902
01:24:36,79 --> 01:24:41,95
living center right they come up with
$3300.00 cars per day that does not include

903
01:24:42,13 --> 01:24:46,68
potential traffic from the office from
the gas station from the hotel that's

904
01:24:46,69 --> 01:24:51,98
existing So those numbers are way north
right we don't have any of that data has

905
01:24:51,99 --> 01:24:55,78
been done is am I right Mr Gary that
volume is not accounted for that's not

906
01:24:55,79 --> 01:25:02,44
accounted for. So the other issue
becomes. You know points of

907
01:25:02,94 --> 01:25:08,32
weaving right so if you look at that
study the 4959 points of weaving There's

908
01:25:08,33 --> 01:25:14,00
certain amount of feet that you need between
495 north and the entrance the flag

909
01:25:14,01 --> 01:25:17,80
road I believe right now it does
not meet that standard there's

910
01:25:17,81 --> 01:25:24,72
a standard around driveways and distances
between driveways the old liquor store

911
01:25:25,22 --> 01:25:32,02
the auto sales Wendy's the 2
vacant lots before flag flag

912
01:25:32,26 --> 01:25:37,32
Cumberland Farms in Park Central all don't
meet that standard right so we don't

913
01:25:37,33 --> 01:25:39,93
only have the problem going north we have

914
01:25:39,97 --> 01:25:43,91
a major issue going southbound
to return as well I have

915
01:25:43,92 --> 01:25:49,66
a number of difference graphs and stuff
off of that for 95 study right now it

916
01:25:49,67 --> 01:25:50,71
operates at an e.u.

917
01:25:50,72 --> 01:25:53,04
An f in existing conditions

918
01:25:53,37 --> 01:25:59,43
a no build study for
2035 brings both 2 in f

919
01:26:00,70 --> 01:26:07,07
right that's am and pm peak hours
without any build so. In There's also

920
01:26:07,08 --> 01:26:13,34
a note in the study that says the wait
times are too large to even calculate

921
01:26:13,81 --> 01:26:19,87
getting out of flag road so I understand
that d.p.w. Is going to talk to mass d.o.t.

922
01:26:19,88 --> 01:26:21,93
About a light there but without

923
01:26:21,94 --> 01:26:24,58
a light they're expecting
I believe you you mention

924
01:26:24,59 --> 01:26:27,97
a 3 minute wait per car correct up to

925
01:26:27,98 --> 01:26:32,56
a 3 minute wait per car I would be surprised
call he's actually saying sorry might

926
01:26:32,57 --> 01:26:33,87
have been in the other t.t.c.

927
01:26:33,88 --> 01:26:38,91
Study it might be confusing the 2 studies
but 3 minutes per car standing traffic

928
01:26:39,36 --> 01:26:44,96
out of the new park Central us right with
all of that traffic going to standing

929
01:26:44,97 --> 01:26:46,99
traffic through what's like a 14 and

930
01:26:47,00 --> 01:26:52,43
a half foot narrow roadway I'd like to ask
the you know the Fire Chief do we have

931
01:26:52,44 --> 01:26:56,84
any concerns about school buses in fire
trucks passing each other on this route

932
01:26:57,63 --> 01:27:01,55
what about standing traffic right I know
my son's school bus comes up there 8

933
01:27:01,56 --> 01:27:03,00
o'clock you can't get through

934
01:27:03,04 --> 01:27:09,37
a school bus getting through the lower end
or as you approach south school bus and

935
01:27:09,38 --> 01:27:13,03
standing traffic's not going to mix you
have to stop like somebody is to stop and

936
01:27:13,04 --> 01:27:19,13
let the other person go so the existing
roadway is not fit to add any traffic to

937
01:27:19,14 --> 01:27:25,37
this to this area all right so I would
say that you know in this isn't

938
01:27:25,38 --> 01:27:28,35
a non-conforming 40 a 40 b.

939
01:27:28,36 --> 01:27:31,59
Let's pile it on let's you know let's get
it out of the park and get as much in

940
01:27:31,60 --> 01:27:36,03
there as we can but just not responsible
would be negligent on part of the town to

941
01:27:36,04 --> 01:27:40,92
allow this to happen so I'm happy to share
in the statistics with you I don't want

942
01:27:40,93 --> 01:27:44,35
to take up too much time tonight so I'd
be happy to you know go over everything

943
01:27:44,36 --> 01:27:48,12
I've prepared for you but I think you
need to take this into consideration

944
01:27:48,13 --> 01:27:52,13
everything that you've heard tonight can
you send that information then I get to

945
01:27:52,26 --> 01:27:58,67
thank you and using my name Spencer
McLeod I live it 60 flagged road

946
01:27:58,80 --> 01:28:05,49
very close to our route 9 is going to
get out. Everybody sort of set every

947
01:28:05,63 --> 01:28:09,73
thing as it is right now pertaining the
additional traffic and what dangers that

948
01:28:09,74 --> 01:28:12,63
might pose I actually heard an interesting
comment earlier that I just wanted to

949
01:28:12,67 --> 01:28:17,19
make sure didn't get lost in the weeds in
all of this the putting a center line is

950
01:28:17,20 --> 01:28:20,97
a very narrow road as it is it's actually
difficult if 2 large S.U.V.s are trying

951
01:28:20,98 --> 01:28:24,84
to pass each other going opposite directions
but one of the reasons for that is

952
01:28:25,05 --> 01:28:29,44
because the road is so narrow psychologically
you don't want to be right up against

953
01:28:29,45 --> 01:28:31,62
the edge of the roads
of people tend to go in

954
01:28:31,63 --> 01:28:36,20
a little bit closer and they don't realize
how far over the center they're crossing

955
01:28:36,65 --> 01:28:37,08
just having

956
01:28:37,09 --> 01:28:41,23
a center line there might help might help
with some of the issues and this really

957
01:28:41,24 --> 01:28:45,30
has nothing to do with what everyone with
what everyone else is talking about but I

958
01:28:45,31 --> 01:28:47,83
would be happy to have a center
line there I think it would benefit

959
01:28:47,84 --> 01:28:50,52
a lot of people trying to pass each other
along that road especially when there are

960
01:28:50,53 --> 01:28:52,33
larger vehicles involved Thank you.

961
01:29:01,12 --> 01:29:07,20
Good evening Bill Bowen 35 East Main Street
not near flag road Deerfoot road but

962
01:29:08,03 --> 01:29:15,02
driven on that road since about 1975.
My wife grew up off of that road

963
01:29:16,00 --> 01:29:21,47
lived there for probably 35 years or so
so I'm very familiar with the road. The

964
01:29:21,48 --> 01:29:26,15
biggest problem that we have in my opinion
with traffic it's not cut through

965
01:29:26,16 --> 01:29:31,86
traffic it's us it's the citizens of
Southborough we're dropping our kids off

966
01:29:31,87 --> 01:29:34,07
a trotter school in the morning I think

967
01:29:34,11 --> 01:29:39,84
a lot of the data in your results shows
that we're dropping them off and we're

968
01:29:39,85 --> 01:29:45,01
speeding back down to get to
work or to get home I see

969
01:29:45,05 --> 01:29:47,83
a proposal for speed humps which I'm not

970
01:29:47,84 --> 01:29:54,70
a big fan of but those 5 speed
humps are all south of east

971
01:29:54,71 --> 01:30:01,28
brick road. The biggest problem as I've
seen over the years in traffic and

972
01:30:01,29 --> 01:30:06,93
safety on that stretch of road is between
deer foot road where it veers off

973
01:30:07,01 --> 01:30:13,85
basically flag road from the beginning to
out about lover's lane it's very narrow

974
01:30:14,26 --> 01:30:17,15
there are trees right
up on the street it's

975
01:30:17,16 --> 01:30:23,29
a very dangerous area of road much
like Mount Victoria much like

976
01:30:23,30 --> 01:30:29,43
a lot of lot of other things in town that
are similar designed burrowed but there's

977
01:30:29,44 --> 01:30:36,28
no traffic calming measures there if
we want to come traffic then let's put

978
01:30:36,29 --> 01:30:41,40
stop signs in at every intersection
and forget the speed humps let's put

979
01:30:41,41 --> 01:30:45,05
a traffic let's put a stop
sign at Lover's Lane Let's put

980
01:30:45,06 --> 01:30:48,08
a stop sign in at Red Gate Lane Let's put

981
01:30:48,09 --> 01:30:50,67
a stop sign and at Strawberry
Hill and let's put

982
01:30:50,68 --> 01:30:56,04
a stop stop sign in it Deerfoot it's not
going to slow traffic it's going to stop

983
01:30:56,05 --> 01:31:02,32
traffic in both directions from everyone
coming there are kids waiting for buses

984
01:31:02,33 --> 01:31:07,79
there in the morning it's dangerous we can
build sidewalks from what I've seen as

985
01:31:07,80 --> 01:31:13,91
a knob savation in this town another town's
people don't run on sidewalks people

986
01:31:13,92 --> 01:31:17,97
don't bike so bike on the sidewalks it'll
make it safer for the kids that are

987
01:31:17,98 --> 01:31:24,02
walking it doesn't help with that other
traffic that's non vehicular which is bikes

988
01:31:24,24 --> 01:31:28,83
and other things the biggest thing we need
to do is we need to look at ourselves in

989
01:31:28,84 --> 01:31:34,88
the eye and we need to slow down because
I'm guilty of speeding on other people's

990
01:31:34,89 --> 01:31:40,75
roads and I'll guarantee you there's no
one in this room who hasn't sped down

991
01:31:40,76 --> 01:31:47,46
a road in this town that has kids on it
that has pedestrians that has runners

992
01:31:47,83 --> 01:31:53,06
that have cyclists. So there's maybe
something that we should do over the whole

993
01:31:53,07 --> 01:31:58,24
town but this isn't an issue of cut through
traffic and I think your data if you

994
01:31:58,25 --> 01:32:04,54
really analyze who's going south and
what times those are this is us and we

995
01:32:04,76 --> 01:32:06,99
need to slow down and

996
01:32:07,00 --> 01:32:12,16
a speed bump is not going to do it because
I travel down Parkville road and I see

997
01:32:12,17 --> 01:32:13,68
people stop just

998
01:32:13,69 --> 01:32:19,43
a bit and then go on it until the next speed
home so this is this is us we need to

999
01:32:19,44 --> 01:32:23,84
think about this ourselves and really
change our habits for the safety of the

1000
01:32:23,88 --> 01:32:28,97
residents of this town it's not cut through
traffic Thank you sir do you have any

1001
01:32:28,98 --> 01:32:35,77
comments on the stop sign.
Yes I would say Stop signs

1002
01:32:35,78 --> 01:32:42,34
are generally not accepted to be. Traffic
control devices and that you put them at

1003
01:32:42,35 --> 01:32:46,47
a location vehicles automatically
it here to them if it's

1004
01:32:46,48 --> 01:32:52,38
a intersection of equal volume approaches
it makes sense in the occasions where the

1005
01:32:52,39 --> 01:32:54,31
main line is much higher than

1006
01:32:54,32 --> 01:32:59,45
a side street Studies show you you can
always stop in the main line tends to ignore

1007
01:32:59,46 --> 01:33:03,84
it and drive through it's
actually you know in the n.b.c.

1008
01:33:03,85 --> 01:33:07,82
Which is the Bible for traffic engineering
it says not to do that I would not rule

1009
01:33:07,83 --> 01:33:14,11
out the possibility of for instance.
Some always stops along the corridor or

1010
01:33:14,55 --> 01:33:18,77
blackthorn be in the primary
one but you're creating

1011
01:33:18,78 --> 01:33:22,100
a situation where people are just speeding
up to stop more frequently as opposed to

1012
01:33:23,24 --> 01:33:27,84
a uniform slower speed along the course
of the road which is what we're trying to

1013
01:33:27,85 --> 01:33:34,71
get to. Morning. Marni Houlihan
$26.00 Clifford I have

1014
01:33:34,72 --> 01:33:39,48
2 major comments so the 1st is that I think
many of us are thankful that another

1015
01:33:39,49 --> 01:33:45,60
board is involved I think that the rising
level of distrust among the community

1016
01:33:45,61 --> 01:33:50,89
with our elected officials those on zoning
those implementing those seated in front

1017
01:33:50,90 --> 01:33:55,69
of me is increasing and I think what's
happening is that we aren't listening to

1018
01:33:55,70 --> 01:33:58,19
each other someone had made the assumption

1019
01:33:58,20 --> 01:34:02,31
a brand new person in town welcome
I'm sorry but you have to deal with

1020
01:34:02,32 --> 01:34:05,70
a lot of this is that we
aren't talking to each other

1021
01:34:05,74 --> 01:34:10,83
a project like this I think that Jeff the
the emergency room doctor mentioned that

1022
01:34:10,84 --> 01:34:13,47
it's an urban planning
project it's a good it's

1023
01:34:13,48 --> 01:34:18,01
a town why decision that needs to be made
there were some major errors with the

1024
01:34:18,02 --> 01:34:24,32
town planner not submitting for a
grandfathering ability to not have this 40 b.

1025
01:34:24,58 --> 01:34:24,79
There's

1026
01:34:24,80 --> 01:34:29,18
a lot of distressful issues that have
happened over the many years I think it's in

1027
01:34:29,19 --> 01:34:31,07
our best interest as

1028
01:34:31,08 --> 01:34:35,27
a Board of Selectmen to really consider
what you're hearing with the traffic study

1029
01:34:35,28 --> 01:34:40,46
I think the traffic study is data it brings
objective insight it gives an obvious

1030
01:34:41,19 --> 01:34:46,06
resolution to something that is happening
today but not necessarily what will

1031
01:34:46,07 --> 01:34:49,49
impact all of the things
that are coming and we as

1032
01:34:49,50 --> 01:34:54,27
a town are looking to you as our elected
officials to work together with the zoning

1033
01:34:54,28 --> 01:34:58,20
board with the planning board with all the
boards to make sure that we're making

1034
01:34:58,21 --> 01:35:03,24
decisions that are right decisions for
this community so that's my 1st comment my

1035
01:35:03,25 --> 01:35:04,39
2nd comment is as

1036
01:35:04,40 --> 01:35:11,16
a resident of Clifford road I dry
drive I walk and I jog on Clifford in

1037
01:35:11,17 --> 01:35:16,01
Flag and I am always yelling I know that's
surprising for most of the people in the

1038
01:35:16,02 --> 01:35:18,09
community I do almost ready to carry

1039
01:35:18,10 --> 01:35:23,40
a bullhorn because I do yell at cars I call
the police they know me by name I think

1040
01:35:23,41 --> 01:35:29,51
because there are many speeders and it's
ridiculous the amount of. Insecurity. I

1041
01:35:29,52 --> 01:35:33,77
have as an adult and I know that my children
my 12 year olds are walking down that

1042
01:35:33,78 --> 01:35:38,15
street they are walking to try to or with
their friends and it's not Ok and we need

1043
01:35:38,16 --> 01:35:42,68
to do something about it I would advise
you to take the recommendations excuse me

1044
01:35:42,69 --> 01:35:46,15
of the safety data but
also really we need to do

1045
01:35:46,16 --> 01:35:50,43
a little bit more and we need to
make sure that we do not put a 40 b.

1046
01:35:50,73 --> 01:35:55,18
To depart on Flag road and I think this
is in your interest in our communities

1047
01:35:55,19 --> 01:35:57,04
interest Thank you for your time.

1048
01:36:02,45 --> 01:36:06,11
David come 61 different road 1st of all
thank you for the doing the study because

1049
01:36:06,12 --> 01:36:06,84
it confirms what

1050
01:36:06,85 --> 01:36:11,96
a lot of us residents of notice for quite
some time after Mr Ms Houlihan's pointed

1051
01:36:11,97 --> 01:36:12,93
to some you know it's really

1052
01:36:12,94 --> 01:36:18,99
a point trafficked from my 23 years of
casual observance of the traffic flow

1053
01:36:19,37 --> 01:36:21,38
traffic tends to come up Route 9 x.

1054
01:36:21,39 --> 01:36:23,40
It's fun to watch pocket will usually

1055
01:36:23,41 --> 01:36:27,02
a high rate of speed because people are
so angry with the traffic jam on Route 9

1056
01:36:27,40 --> 01:36:29,39
and you go straight on
Packard Bell or you take

1057
01:36:29,40 --> 01:36:35,08
a fast left turn down down Clifford and
continue down to Fort road and then about

1058
01:36:35,26 --> 01:36:37,72
50 percent of it takes a left turn flag at

1059
01:36:37,73 --> 01:36:40,85
a high rate of speed in the other 50
percent blows through the stop sign it

1060
01:36:40,86 --> 01:36:45,12
continues on down different it happens every
year every night and I watch it every

1061
01:36:45,13 --> 01:36:49,88
day. To me it's that we have a big
question in front of us which is a kind of

1062
01:36:49,89 --> 01:36:54,34
a balance between safety and preserving the
character of the town and the character

1063
01:36:54,35 --> 01:36:57,00
of a neighborhood and some of these
changes you propose certainly make

1064
01:36:57,28 --> 01:36:58,07
a lot of sense from

1065
01:36:58,08 --> 01:37:03,29
a traffic control standpoint some of my
disagree with but by the same token you

1066
01:37:03,30 --> 01:37:05,95
have to weigh what we're going to do to

1067
01:37:05,96 --> 01:37:09,36
a neighborhood which is I grew bleak plag
is probably one of the most beautiful

1068
01:37:09,37 --> 01:37:13,80
streets in South borough play again defer
to the oldest roots insult our own what

1069
01:37:13,81 --> 01:37:17,47
these changes taking down stone walls and
why you know widening the road changing

1070
01:37:17,48 --> 01:37:22,57
into sections what that would do to the
character of that neighborhood and really

1071
01:37:22,58 --> 01:37:25,99
what would do to further erode the character
of the town you know with fields of

1072
01:37:26,00 --> 01:37:28,37
sown by Nick at the face cool that was

1073
01:37:28,38 --> 01:37:30,44
a go as the walls of stuff
fence of stone that was

1074
01:37:30,45 --> 01:37:35,41
a classic book that's Southborough That's
why I moved here and so the question is

1075
01:37:35,56 --> 01:37:39,76
what do we sacrifice as we move forward
but what are we giving up and what's the

1076
01:37:39,77 --> 01:37:40,41
balance of what

1077
01:37:40,42 --> 01:37:46,32
a picture we're going to do and secondly
I'd like to what. I'd like to one is so we

1078
01:37:46,36 --> 01:37:50,62
look at that and of course the gorilla in
the room is to park Central and so the

1079
01:37:50,63 --> 01:37:54,19
question is as we double or triple or
quadruple whatever you read the newspaper the

1080
01:37:54,20 --> 01:37:58,41
amount of traffic coming down that road
even if we were to implement these changes

1081
01:37:59,03 --> 01:38:02,37
what will happen once we increase the
amount of traffic down the road and I don't

1082
01:38:02,38 --> 01:38:05,38
think anyone knows the answer and I don't
know if those changes the look Combinator

1083
01:38:05,52 --> 01:38:09,11
and I don't know if we're going to be sitting
back here years from now saying what

1084
01:38:09,12 --> 01:38:13,56
the heck do we do and why didn't we just
do it right the 1st time the answer is you

1085
01:38:13,57 --> 01:38:16,23
know what's right I don't
know I think this topic needs

1086
01:38:16,24 --> 01:38:22,93
a lot of discussion thank you.
For one point to that. In this

1087
01:38:22,97 --> 01:38:27,38
study. The approach was to be as sensitive
to the context of neighborhood as

1088
01:38:27,39 --> 01:38:33,18
possible with the exception of
the Stonewall year. Blackthorn

1089
01:38:34,08 --> 01:38:38,88
which is not one of my highest priority
objectives there are no stone walls to be

1090
01:38:38,89 --> 01:38:42,90
relocated there are no major trees to be
cut down as part of what's recommended in

1091
01:38:42,91 --> 01:38:49,09
this study is one make it clear. Because
you're not recommending sidewalks on Flag

1092
01:38:49,25 --> 01:38:56,18
richt My name is Karen Shimkus
I live on Lindbergh road

1093
01:38:56,19 --> 01:39:01,75
where 2nd generation South Yarra family. I
my field is commercial real estate I've

1094
01:39:01,76 --> 01:39:07,51
spent the last 25 years evaluating large
commercial projects mostly Massachusetts

1095
01:39:07,52 --> 01:39:12,55
some nationally some internationally and
that would include evaluating access I've

1096
01:39:12,56 --> 01:39:15,94
a quick question because I did review the
package that when people of the Board of

1097
01:39:15,95 --> 01:39:17,30
Selectmen put on page one

1098
01:39:17,31 --> 01:39:21,61
o 5 after the traffic study and I'd
like to come back to this after I make

1099
01:39:21,62 --> 01:39:23,12
a few points there is

1100
01:39:23,13 --> 01:39:28,92
a point within the borders Lekman May 17th
2016 Macof hearing room that's the title

1101
01:39:28,93 --> 01:39:34,04
on it says towards the bottom questions
relate to procedural history waivers

1102
01:39:34,05 --> 01:39:41,04
a planning board regulations in future
determinations. You know I just

1103
01:39:41,33 --> 01:39:46,50
was wondering what that meant and I would
like to come back to that. I hope you

1104
01:39:46,51 --> 01:39:51,86
find these comments helpful
I find I'd like to give

1105
01:39:51,87 --> 01:39:58,07
a. Resoundingly. Round of
applause to the citizen voters

1106
01:39:58,08 --> 01:40:03,75
taxpayers who have expressed their opinions
here because you're spot on. What's

1107
01:40:03,76 --> 01:40:06,07
missing from this discussion is

1108
01:40:06,08 --> 01:40:11,58
a few things context the scope of the report
findings of the reporting process and

1109
01:40:11,59 --> 01:40:12,08
I'd like to make

1110
01:40:12,09 --> 01:40:16,73
a few points on each in terms of contacts
force through the trees I mean you're

1111
01:40:16,74 --> 01:40:17,12
looking at

1112
01:40:17,13 --> 01:40:22,16
a room full of experts no one knows the
traffic patterns. In this town on the

1113
01:40:22,27 --> 01:40:25,70
street that and people sitting right here
in this room each one of these people are

1114
01:40:25,71 --> 01:40:30,43
experts I walk these roads every single
morning and I can tell you when I walk for

1115
01:40:30,44 --> 01:40:34,16
instance down north for a road
I could get hit 50 times in

1116
01:40:34,17 --> 01:40:40,53
a 15 minute span because people are traveling
from other towns through our town and

1117
01:40:40,54 --> 01:40:44,41
they do come down when broken love is lame
which is isn't addressed at all in the

1118
01:40:44,42 --> 01:40:49,73
report and I'm not clear why. Also the
larger context we're talking about

1119
01:40:49,74 --> 01:40:55,19
a project that with the state has rejected
access from the main highway roadway of

1120
01:40:55,20 --> 01:41:00,85
evaluated many industrial parks business
parks throughout the state including

1121
01:41:01,44 --> 01:41:07,96
properties within the 4 quadrants where it.
Meets 495 and I can tell you all other

1122
01:41:07,97 --> 01:41:13,51
quadrants have huge miles of feeder
roads this is the one quadrant and this

1123
01:41:13,52 --> 01:41:17,19
particular site and I believe the reason
it hasn't been developed to date is

1124
01:41:17,20 --> 01:41:21,51
because it doesn't have feeder roads it's
got terrible access so we're trying to

1125
01:41:22,05 --> 01:41:26,67
fabricate access by feeding.
What's proposed to be

1126
01:41:26,68 --> 01:41:32,43
a large commercial mixed use site many
segments going through neighborhood roads

1127
01:41:32,70 --> 01:41:39,56
it's utterly silly I've never seen it
anywhere so to do you know traffic study have

1128
01:41:39,57 --> 01:41:44,32
to traffic study I'm not even sure why
it's an iterative process that hasn't made

1129
01:41:44,33 --> 01:41:47,69
a lot of sense to me
so we're talking about

1130
01:41:47,70 --> 01:41:52,10
a project where the state has rejected
access and for good reasons you come out

1131
01:41:52,11 --> 01:41:53,95
flag road and it's

1132
01:41:53,96 --> 01:41:58,97
a matter of maybe want to 2 car lengths
with weaving traffic patterns trying to get

1133
01:41:58,98 --> 01:42:05,93
into Cumberland Farms jackrabbit off of
the flag it has to remain high speed

1134
01:42:05,94 --> 01:42:11,29
because of the backup that takes place
during peak commuter hours that traffic has

1135
01:42:11,30 --> 01:42:16,66
to filter it's got to move and it's got to
get on to 495 to get out. When you see.

1136
01:42:18,34 --> 01:42:19,88
Observe traffic patterns of p.

1137
01:42:19,89 --> 01:42:21,59
Commuter there is

1138
01:42:21,63 --> 01:42:28,12
a lot of back up on the Re ups for 95
in the Pike very dangerous you could be

1139
01:42:28,13 --> 01:42:33,08
driving down you know doing the speed
limit but you can come on back to traffic

1140
01:42:33,09 --> 01:42:35,54
that goes quite

1141
01:42:35,55 --> 01:42:40,24
a distance as I was reading the traffic
study I was wondering why should the

1142
01:42:40,25 --> 01:42:43,49
traffic taxpayers pay for
roadway improvements to benefit

1143
01:42:43,50 --> 01:42:45,65
a private developer that seemed

1144
01:42:45,66 --> 01:42:49,45
a little bit crazy to me that we would
pay for the infrastructure for $1.00

1145
01:42:49,46 --> 01:42:55,18
development to benefit. How did we get
to this point in the study wasn't the

1146
01:42:55,19 --> 01:42:56,90
developers plan all along to have

1147
01:42:56,91 --> 01:43:01,85
a hard right turn at the end of
flag with hard barriers prohibiting

1148
01:43:01,86 --> 01:43:04,64
a left turn and turn when

1149
01:43:04,65 --> 01:43:10,79
a less expensive and cheaper solution and
less dangerous Lucian would be to have

1150
01:43:10,80 --> 01:43:15,56
the end of flag be one way for the residents
of that project if you were to do

1151
01:43:15,57 --> 01:43:16,60
anything at all

1152
01:43:17,90 --> 01:43:22,41
a question for the Study Group Mr de
Grey When move 9 is backed up or stalled

1153
01:43:22,42 --> 01:43:26,83
weirdest traffic go what specific routes
will traffic take when headed when

1154
01:43:26,84 --> 01:43:33,22
traveling west back home to that
site and why doesn't the report

1155
01:43:33,67 --> 01:43:37,81
study or even the men mention the
possibility of flag turning into

1156
01:43:37,82 --> 01:43:42,83
a one way road way at the end of the
road. Very narrow roadway by the way

1157
01:43:43,06 --> 01:43:43,67
especially if

1158
01:43:43,68 --> 01:43:50,17
a culvert. If I may that's
an interesting point I

1159
01:43:50,41 --> 01:43:54,55
thought of if you considered a one way for

1160
01:43:54,69 --> 01:44:01,06
a part of the road at any particular
time or I certainly think the most.

1161
01:44:02,97 --> 01:44:07,62
Impactful solution to protect the neighborhood
of Lego to be to close it entirely

1162
01:44:07,63 --> 01:44:12,75
between the us from the development
project in the neighborhood especially

1163
01:44:12,76 --> 01:44:16,86
a dead end. To make it
one way without doing

1164
01:44:16,90 --> 01:44:22,19
a physical project to narrow the with the
road and make it you know the roadway

1165
01:44:22,25 --> 01:44:23,98
design for one way or the is

1166
01:44:23,99 --> 01:44:28,71
a difficult thing to enforce and to
ensure that your vehicles understand the

1167
01:44:28,72 --> 01:44:34,60
directionality of the route but certainly
more impactful traffic calming. Elements

1168
01:44:35,19 --> 01:44:39,23
certainly could be in the
conversation we approach this from

1169
01:44:39,24 --> 01:44:44,89
a standpoint of pragmatism in trying to
deliver you a project that we felt was. Of

1170
01:44:44,90 --> 01:44:50,75
a financial implication respectful of the
danger of the project. At the same time

1171
01:44:50,76 --> 01:44:54,62
understanding that it does serve access to
the school facility there has been some

1172
01:44:54,63 --> 01:44:59,20
sensitivity to that particular point which
is come up in the past and it was local

1173
01:44:59,21 --> 01:45:05,91
residents vocalizing that they don't want
to lose access from 9 to the development

1174
01:45:05,99 --> 01:45:07,04
but from

1175
01:45:07,05 --> 01:45:13,78
a standpoint of traffic and safety certainly
dead ending flag road between the last

1176
01:45:13,79 --> 01:45:17,80
residential development in the us from
this development to me is something that's

1177
01:45:17,81 --> 01:45:24,40
worthy of conversation and scope of the
report I frankly while well done found it

1178
01:45:24,41 --> 01:45:29,40
to be extremely narrow and frankly
misleading What is the larger development

1179
01:45:29,41 --> 01:45:34,71
context both on site required to address
by the scopes to narrow it's like looking

1180
01:45:34,72 --> 01:45:35,90
at the overall problem to

1181
01:45:35,91 --> 01:45:40,66
a pinhole doesn't speak to impacts to Main
Street what's going on with the other I

1182
01:45:40,67 --> 01:45:45,93
for 1951 interchange quadrants of
what's the larger context e.m.c.

1183
01:45:46,57 --> 01:45:53,08
600 acre. Park now. When backs

1184
01:45:53,09 --> 01:45:58,03
up water goes somewhere it goes on to these
small winding back roads you can't pick

1185
01:45:58,04 --> 01:45:59,19
up flag give it

1186
01:45:59,20 --> 01:46:05,25
a shake and straighten out it's dangerous
when when when Flag turns it's almost

1187
01:46:05,26 --> 01:46:11,15
a 90 degree turn and I drove it today at
Lover's Lane You could easily get had

1188
01:46:11,16 --> 01:46:17,20
a head on where is the tipping point on
Main Street roof 38 for traffic trying to

1189
01:46:17,21 --> 01:46:18,98
get out of Southborough at

1190
01:46:18,99 --> 01:46:24,63
a traffic to Main Street and points east
it's gridlocked already narrow one lane

1191
01:46:24,64 --> 01:46:30,42
winding roads it's just not mentioned
lover's lane Lynbrook not mentioned the

1192
01:46:30,43 --> 01:46:37,11
findings of the report one fatality
is one fatality too many head on

1193
01:46:37,12 --> 01:46:42,33
collision it doesn't address it doesn't
have cut the color how many near misses

1194
01:46:42,34 --> 01:46:46,52
have there been a lot I almost
got hit head on by a d.o.t.

1195
01:46:46,53 --> 01:46:53,52
Truck Ironically these these
incidents that are already cited in

1196
01:46:53,53 --> 01:46:57,12
the report are excellent evidence of the
nature of the roadway itself and what

1197
01:46:57,13 --> 01:47:02,04
happens without adding hundreds more traffic
if not thousands of traffic trips this

1198
01:47:02,05 --> 01:47:07,94
is inappropriate the process it's been
an interest process that has made

1199
01:47:07,95 --> 01:47:12,46
a lot of sense you've heard very legitimate
concerns being voiced here but I have

1200
01:47:12,47 --> 01:47:17,38
to tell you I feel like I have deja vu we
have been effectively ignored and these

1201
01:47:17,39 --> 01:47:21,97
are the voices of the people that you were
elected to serve you know I've witnessed

1202
01:47:21,98 --> 01:47:26,58
the debasing of the very essence of the
democratic process there is no more basic

1203
01:47:26,59 --> 01:47:27,62
right than to get up at

1204
01:47:27,63 --> 01:47:34,34
a microphone and then being even told to
be quiet or sit down it's just you know

1205
01:47:34,35 --> 01:47:39,93
I've seen that in other hearing so I
would hope that. You know as the.

1206
01:47:41,24 --> 01:47:41,53
What

1207
01:47:41,54 --> 01:47:47,97
a selectman you would listen carefully to
what people are telling you. The board

1208
01:47:47,98 --> 01:47:51,89
members on various boards acting properly
as independent arbiters or have their

1209
01:47:51,90 --> 01:47:58,85
member pressures these are questions. Any

1210
01:47:58,86 --> 01:48:04,03
rate going back to the question
from page $105.00 of today's.

1211
01:48:07,32 --> 01:48:13,17
It looks like meeting minutes request under
requests for special counsel. And I'm

1212
01:48:13,18 --> 01:48:14,51
sure the audience hasn't had

1213
01:48:14,52 --> 01:48:16,87
a chance to read this but
Chairman Rooney's firm is in

1214
01:48:16,88 --> 01:48:22,49
a better to park project based upon the
advice he received from the state ethics

1215
01:48:22,50 --> 01:48:26,17
commission as you quite recuse himself from
any and all discussions relating to the

1216
01:48:26,18 --> 01:48:32,75
proposed development and then it goes on
but then it does comes down to. Someone

1217
01:48:32,79 --> 01:48:35,60
something about seeking permission from
the board it's like when to hire special

1218
01:48:35,61 --> 01:48:39,95
counsel for Park Central You know what if
you're in over your head sometimes it's

1219
01:48:39,96 --> 01:48:45,80
a good idea to get other experts including
special counsel to come in and give good

1220
01:48:45,81 --> 01:48:52,73
advice. Mr Jenks noted
that he is not challenging

1221
01:48:52,77 --> 01:48:57,75
attorney Cypriano but he feels that the
questions need clarification that would be

1222
01:48:57,76 --> 01:49:01,31
difficult noting on how closely
he has worked with his a.b.a.

1223
01:49:01,32 --> 01:49:06,78
On this project and he is the the sentence
I have question on questions relating to

1224
01:49:06,79 --> 01:49:11,98
procedural history waivers of the
planning board regulations and for future

1225
01:49:11,99 --> 01:49:17,03
determinations this was.
It suggests that somehow

1226
01:49:17,04 --> 01:49:23,57
a procedural procedures weren't followed
or you know some kind of discord between

1227
01:49:23,58 --> 01:49:29,32
committees I think is their
incompetence or somebody blatantly.

1228
01:49:30,83 --> 01:49:31,88
Violating at least

1229
01:49:31,89 --> 01:49:36,95
a principle of working together in spirit
it's hard to determine what that is from

1230
01:49:36,96 --> 01:49:43,16
this this document but I would ask you
to look at context because it's utterly

1231
01:49:43,17 --> 01:49:50,03
silly to look at slivers Thank you.
So is there anybody else who would

1232
01:49:50,04 --> 01:49:51,98
like to speak I just have

1233
01:49:51,99 --> 01:49:56,04
a follow up to what was just one thing that
was said with regard to your suggestion

1234
01:49:56,05 --> 01:50:01,13
that closing flag road is is is
something you you've thought about.

1235
01:50:03,18 --> 01:50:04,91
What I meant

1236
01:50:04,92 --> 01:50:08,65
a loss to understand then we were all the
southbound traffic goes the southbound

1237
01:50:08,66 --> 01:50:13,92
traffic makes bears left on the Deerfoot
which is you know Deerfoot in from Flag to

1238
01:50:13,93 --> 01:50:20,44
Route 9 is just as narrow and choked
or they go down flat road to this new

1239
01:50:20,45 --> 01:50:26,80
development cut through to park Central
and then out or am I missing something

1240
01:50:26,81 --> 01:50:31,98
there why I think we're talking the period
purely conceptual level so I'm asking

1241
01:50:32,22 --> 01:50:36,02
would say if I were to deaden it I would
that ended on before the entrance to the

1242
01:50:36,03 --> 01:50:40,27
Park Central project so there's actually
no interplay between flag road and the

1243
01:50:40,28 --> 01:50:44,43
Park Central project it would just be the
sliver of flag road which abuts or 9

1244
01:50:44,44 --> 01:50:48,57
hours to then all your southbound here for
traffic continues on Deerfoot which is

1245
01:50:49,04 --> 01:50:52,97
essentially when you get into volume control
traffic calming you get into issues

1246
01:50:52,98 --> 01:50:57,28
exactly like this which starts to unravel
that the traffic will go somewhere Cers

1247
01:50:57,29 --> 01:51:03,51
actually pushing one person's problem on
another roadway I think there's. A certain

1248
01:51:03,52 --> 01:51:08,44
incentivisation of the direct route of
flagging to your Ford where that ending it

1249
01:51:08,52 --> 01:51:14,84
may make sense 1520 percent of traffic may
just evaporate entirely and go somewhere

1250
01:51:14,85 --> 01:51:21,26
else but clearly people will look for
alternative routes All right thank you thank

1251
01:51:21,68 --> 01:51:25,09
you thank you for advice

1252
01:51:31,78 --> 01:51:34,94
from John green tent arrowed So just a
comment on you know turning flag into

1253
01:51:34,95 --> 01:51:40,85
a one way street right or you know ending
it I think it still doesn't address the

1254
01:51:40,86 --> 01:51:46,23
issue of the existing problem is that the
intersection operates at an easy to an f.

1255
01:51:46,39 --> 01:51:52,13
Right 2011 conditions no
build operates at n f n

1256
01:51:52,14 --> 01:51:58,96
n f the level of service that the Lays
represent L.O.'s Afghan dishes are so

1257
01:51:58,97 --> 01:52:04,42
large they cannot be kicked out calculated
with any degree of confidence. You're

1258
01:52:04,65 --> 01:52:05,55
you're creating just that

1259
01:52:05,59 --> 01:52:11,25
a huge issue any which way at the end of
flag road I mean even if you dump all this

1260
01:52:11,26 --> 01:52:16,44
traffic out on the flag road and it where
is that that traffic has no place to go I

1261
01:52:16,45 --> 01:52:21,13
mean this development is just the sheer
volume of this and the traffic is

1262
01:52:21,33 --> 01:52:27,45
a major issue you can't one way it because
honestly you can't expect the residents

1263
01:52:27,46 --> 01:52:32,03
of all of flag road to have to be pushed
into this 3 minute wait time where you

1264
01:52:32,04 --> 01:52:38,22
have Park Central in the development feeding
1st you never leave your house never

1265
01:52:38,23 --> 01:52:43,18
ever leave you literally would sit in traffic
for I don't 34 hours before you could

1266
01:52:43,19 --> 01:52:47,82
leave in the morning I mean 3 minute wait
time per car you know you have to really

1267
01:52:47,83 --> 01:52:48,20
kind of think

1268
01:52:48,21 --> 01:52:53,27
a lot of time that there was that your
estimate as well could that could people be

1269
01:52:53,28 --> 01:52:59,21
waiting 3 to 4 hours to well I think we
would talk about flag 9 you know one.

1270
01:53:00,56 --> 01:53:02,61
Attempting of a split 2nd
not to let this become

1271
01:53:02,62 --> 01:53:07,77
a referendum on the Park Central project
in terms of the safety study but Route 9

1272
01:53:07,78 --> 01:53:12,77
is mass deity you have no jurisdiction on
what occurs there will be the arbiter of

1273
01:53:12,78 --> 01:53:17,76
what they want and what's acceptable
to them at Flag and Route 9 there's

1274
01:53:17,77 --> 01:53:21,96
a process that this project going to have
to go through where it's full scope and

1275
01:53:21,97 --> 01:53:24,83
magnitude of traffic impacts
will have to go through

1276
01:53:24,84 --> 01:53:31,75
a state level review including Master
weighing in Section 61 findings. Will

1277
01:53:31,76 --> 01:53:37,74
get what they want out of this developer
for 9 and if they deem the delay in Flag

1278
01:53:37,75 --> 01:53:41,74
road as acceptable that's
their call just from

1279
01:53:41,75 --> 01:53:47,70
a technical standpoint it's pretty well
accepted that the un signalized analysis is

1280
01:53:47,71 --> 01:53:51,62
very conservative particularly for Boston
drivers so the delay that we get on paper

1281
01:53:52,16 --> 01:53:57,70
in practice is generally much less Boston
area drivers except far you know tighter

1282
01:53:57,71 --> 01:54:01,19
gaps than national drivers do
it's not to say that it won't be

1283
01:54:01,20 --> 01:54:06,51
a congestion issue and difficult to.
Except I don't know if some of the numbers

1284
01:54:06,52 --> 01:54:12,08
were hearing will prove to be accurate in
reality but again it's mass starts call

1285
01:54:12,09 --> 01:54:13,50
what happens on the night the

1286
01:54:19,41 --> 01:54:26,09
massive basically has control of 9 and I
understand it but who's sitting at the

1287
01:54:26,10 --> 01:54:28,76
table as

1288
01:54:28,77 --> 01:54:34,35
a planning board it is on I'm sorry is the
planet if you remember the plan aboard

1289
01:54:34,36 --> 01:54:36,80
a member of those who are I know d.p.w.

1290
01:54:36,81 --> 01:54:43,72
Is who also sitting at the table mouse
thought I was going out of question. D.p.w.

1291
01:54:43,73 --> 01:54:50,59
Superintend she's still
here Karen who's sitting

1292
01:54:50,63 --> 01:54:56,45
at the table with mass thought on the Route
9 design representing the time sought

1293
01:54:56,46 --> 01:54:57,71
for planning

1294
01:54:57,97 --> 01:55:04,17
a voice it depends on what section or
what's happening at Crystal pond there is

1295
01:55:04,18 --> 01:55:10,76
a lot with planning is also dealing with
it. And just on flag they haven't really

1296
01:55:10,77 --> 01:55:16,03
had their discussions yet it was in the
memo filing right and that was so that's

1297
01:55:16,04 --> 01:55:19,26
going to be looked at and they're going
to contact and we can have anybody sit at

1298
01:55:19,27 --> 01:55:24,19
the table we want but I'm sure they will
contact actually Mr Purple to go to hell

1299
01:55:24,20 --> 01:55:26,16
they come to the town and
have a discussion on

1300
01:55:26,17 --> 01:55:29,62
a form where it goes no problem sure they
would if we asked them to yes thank you

1301
01:55:31,81 --> 01:55:38,52
please I am Kayla Monjack I live for
Clifford road and I won't repeat so many of

1302
01:55:38,53 --> 01:55:42,51
the things we've heard tonight but I do
just want to share this is one of my 1st

1303
01:55:42,52 --> 01:55:46,50
meetings I'm coming to you because
I'm not always able to come I know

1304
01:55:46,51 --> 01:55:51,89
a lot of people in the neighborhood and in
the town who have similar situations and

1305
01:55:51,89 --> 01:55:57,33
. So many people have stated their comments
I don't think it comes close to showing

1306
01:55:57,34 --> 01:56:02,93
how many people feel so strongly and so
scared about this development coming in and

1307
01:56:02,94 --> 01:56:07,06
how scary that study is without taking
into account that traffic and I'm just

1308
01:56:07,07 --> 01:56:12,46
trying to reiterate there are so many people
who feel this way who are not at this

1309
01:56:12,47 --> 01:56:17,75
meeting and standing at this microphone
I moved to the town 4 years ago I can't

1310
01:56:17,76 --> 01:56:21,62
believe the things I'm scared of happening
on my street right now that I wasn't

1311
01:56:21,63 --> 01:56:27,39
worried about 4 years ago and I will
reiterate the one comment that people are

1312
01:56:27,40 --> 01:56:30,79
starting to lose faith in our
elected officials Thank you.

1313
01:56:38,15 --> 01:56:41,74
My name is Todd Miller from Hickory
road and I just want to echo

1314
01:56:41,78 --> 01:56:47,64
a lot of the comments that you've heard
here today I urged the board and the

1315
01:56:47,65 --> 01:56:51,69
members of my community to do what's necessary
to ensure that we do the right thing

1316
01:56:52,15 --> 01:56:57,96
for our community this project would
create an unsafe condition in and near my

1317
01:56:57,97 --> 01:57:01,42
neighborhood and I ask you to take
action and do what's necessary present.

1318
01:57:08,62 --> 01:57:11,88
Morris on the planning board I don't have
any notes because I promised myself I

1319
01:57:11,89 --> 01:57:18,00
wouldn't speak tonight but the concern
about the elected officials in December in

1320
01:57:18,01 --> 01:57:21,91
November of 2014 a year and a
half ago the planning board in

1321
01:57:21,92 --> 01:57:27,29
a public session expressed its concerns
about the direction of this project and the

1322
01:57:27,30 --> 01:57:33,17
magnitude of it in December
of 2014 when the board wrote

1323
01:57:33,21 --> 01:57:39,03
a letter to the c.b.i. And in
that letter requested that the z.

1324
01:57:39,04 --> 01:57:41,25
Be a considered denying the 40 b.

1325
01:57:41,26 --> 01:57:47,03
Project on the grounds of safety so
understanding that there's one criteria that

1326
01:57:47,04 --> 01:57:47,64
a 40 b.

1327
01:57:47,65 --> 01:57:54,57
Can be denied and that's if it's if it's
unsafe. Since that time and. Also in that

1328
01:57:54,58 --> 01:57:57,36
letter Planning Board asked the z b

1329
01:57:57,37 --> 01:58:04,27
a to assure that they remained
within their jurisdiction so

1330
01:58:04,73 --> 01:58:05,24
in the year and

1331
01:58:05,25 --> 01:58:09,97
a half since then many Planning Board
members have attended the c.p.a.

1332
01:58:10,54 --> 01:58:16,92
Hearing on the 40 projects. I
believe that the board has

1333
01:58:17,10 --> 01:58:21,56
softened its approach as
far as denying the 40 p.

1334
01:58:21,57 --> 01:58:28,47
Project but approving it with
conditions that would allow

1335
01:58:28,48 --> 01:58:34,99
for the project to move ahead safely
the Planning Board has consistently

1336
01:58:34,100 --> 01:58:36,11
requested the z b

1337
01:58:36,12 --> 01:58:40,94
a to remain within its jurisdiction stated
this my other Planning Board members

1338
01:58:40,95 --> 01:58:42,82
have stated this at numerous u.p.a.

1339
01:58:42,83 --> 01:58:46,38
Hearings where the planning
board feels that is e.p.a.

1340
01:58:46,90 --> 01:58:51,94
Has crossed over into the planning
jurisdiction and most recently into the

1341
01:58:51,95 --> 01:58:56,66
conservation Commission's jurisdiction as

1342
01:58:56,67 --> 01:59:03,46
a result of that. Significant
waivers to. This type of

1343
01:59:03,47 --> 01:59:05,73
a development were granted and as

1344
01:59:05,74 --> 01:59:11,70
a result of those waivers the density is
as is what it what it is being proposed

1345
01:59:11,84 --> 01:59:15,05
which is significantly
more dense in the 40

1346
01:59:15,09 --> 01:59:21,66
a portion of the project then our zoning
code would allow as far as the 40 b.

1347
01:59:21,93 --> 01:59:24,56
Component we agree that the z.b.

1348
01:59:24,57 --> 01:59:31,55
a Has soldier or station in that area
and for them to waive requirements is

1349
01:59:31,56 --> 01:59:38,53
well within their jurisdiction back
in December of 2014 the planning

1350
01:59:38,54 --> 01:59:45,26
board through myself expressed concern.
That town council was not tuned

1351
01:59:45,27 --> 01:59:47,88
in to the proceedings of the c.p.a.

1352
01:59:48,49 --> 01:59:48,64
As

1353
01:59:48,65 --> 01:59:55,88
a result I contacted the town council
and discussed it with selectman that

1354
01:59:55,92 --> 01:59:57,90
it's essential that the z.b.

1355
01:59:57,91 --> 02:00:04,15
a Receive guidance from town council
procedurally to make sure that. The process

1356
02:00:04,16 --> 02:00:08,84
was was being performed properly not
just for the benefit of the town and the

1357
02:00:08,85 --> 02:00:13,63
neighbors but also for the benefit of the
developer to make sure that whatever

1358
02:00:13,64 --> 02:00:19,03
permit is granted is eventually granted
and all the proceedings are conducted

1359
02:00:19,07 --> 02:00:23,80
within the rules and we believe
to this day that the z.b.

1360
02:00:23,81 --> 02:00:30,47
Has exceeded its authority and has
compromised the the the permitting

1361
02:00:30,48 --> 02:00:36,93
process it's not complete yet but
as we know there is a. There's

1362
02:00:36,94 --> 02:00:43,19
a use variance there is on the table
it's been. Completed but it hasn't been

1363
02:00:43,20 --> 02:00:46,90
implemented but one of the
triggers is once the 40 b.

1364
02:00:47,14 --> 02:00:53,61
Component of the of the project is
approved then the $48.00 component becomes

1365
02:00:54,18 --> 02:00:59,64
falls under the use variance and is
allowed to be constructed so it's my

1366
02:00:59,65 --> 02:01:05,80
understanding that this project these
projects are one vote away from being

1367
02:01:05,81 --> 02:01:12,49
implemented and that puts all of the traffic
on the fly grown that's where I think

1368
02:01:13,00 --> 02:01:16,69
the selectmen come in and hopefully.

1369
02:01:20,19 --> 02:01:26,88
Express their concern about
the I guess the crossing

1370
02:01:26,89 --> 02:01:29,91
over into other jurisdictions
but there's the b.s.a.

1371
02:01:30,62 --> 02:01:35,79
The excessive density of the project and
most importantly I think for the for the

1372
02:01:35,80 --> 02:01:42,79
selectmen between gauge the
state. And get the solution on to

1373
02:01:42,80 --> 02:01:49,04
work on Route 9 resolved if that involves
speaking to our state reps or even the

1374
02:01:49,05 --> 02:01:55,89
governor I think that's something that
the Board of Selectmen has the horse

1375
02:01:55,90 --> 02:02:02,41
power to do or at least do more to get
it done that's part of the solution

1376
02:02:03,25 --> 02:02:08,43
excessive density and resolving
the issues on 9 thank you.

1377
02:02:16,67 --> 02:02:21,66
And just more so I have a follow up
question for you censure speaking as

1378
02:02:21,67 --> 02:02:27,73
a resident that lives in the area and we're
here to talk about the traffic what you

1379
02:02:27,74 --> 02:02:31,81
saw this evening and what was Prince's
presented on the information that we have at

1380
02:02:31,82 --> 02:02:38,11
hand what would you implement 1st

1381
02:02:39,38 --> 02:02:43,38
under our control as a planet
planning board member but speaking as

1382
02:02:43,39 --> 02:02:48,66
a resident of St we're looking
for I wasn't speaking as

1383
02:02:48,67 --> 02:02:51,41
a resident of different
road or speaking as

1384
02:02:51,61 --> 02:02:53,65
a member of the planning
board I was speaking as

1385
02:02:53,66 --> 02:02:58,58
a member of I as an elected official and
I'm proud of that but I don't stand here

1386
02:02:58,59 --> 02:03:01,12
and say that I'm an elected
official but speaking as

1387
02:03:01,13 --> 02:03:04,90
a private resident I am speaking as an
elected official and I'm asking you as

1388
02:03:04,91 --> 02:03:09,30
a resident that lives on the street as
she has some of the same issues that the

1389
02:03:09,31 --> 02:03:16,11
residents of your neighbors share what
would you implement in this plan 1st

1390
02:03:16,22 --> 02:03:21,22
we have an existing problem which we've
all identified my children play all of my

1391
02:03:21,23 --> 02:03:26,04
children played on Redgate lover's lane
Deerfoot I don't think I know that they

1392
02:03:26,05 --> 02:03:32,15
lived on Middleborough so I'm familiar with
the story but there are suggestions in

1393
02:03:32,16 --> 02:03:36,10
front of us this evening that we need
to implement something based on the

1394
02:03:36,11 --> 02:03:39,44
conditions of today where
would you start as

1395
02:03:39,45 --> 02:03:46,12
a resident or go to assist us. 1st
thing that I would suggest is that

1396
02:03:46,51 --> 02:03:53,00
the Board of Selectmen to the full extent
of your authority and influence instruct

1397
02:03:53,06 --> 02:03:59,74
or advise the z.b. Of a 2
if they approve the 40 b.

1398
02:03:59,75 --> 02:04:04,65
Which would then trigger the approval
of the $48.00 to list as one of the

1399
02:04:04,66 --> 02:04:09,30
conditions of approval that the
project not be built until there's

1400
02:04:09,31 --> 02:04:14,98
a resolution on Route 9 that the profit
that clearly that would be one of the

1401
02:04:14,99 --> 02:04:20,22
conditions of approval nothing's built
until there's access to Route 9 that's the

1402
02:04:20,23 --> 02:04:25,90
1st thing that I would ask ask the you know
the Board of Selectmen to do and which

1403
02:04:25,91 --> 02:04:29,91
I asked earlier who is sitting at the table
from this board representing the town

1404
02:04:29,92 --> 02:04:36,79
that now start so we're getting to that but
the other areas that were suggested for

1405
02:04:36,80 --> 02:04:41,88
improvements on today's conditions what
would you suggest that we start out

1406
02:04:43,23 --> 02:04:49,46
striping the road eliminating
the parking stop signs

1407
02:04:51,67 --> 02:04:56,88
one way we're going take a little I wouldn't
support her and I would from Asia but

1408
02:04:56,92 --> 02:05:02,88
a starting point Well it's certainly.

1409
02:05:04,38 --> 02:05:05,47
Not as qualified as

1410
02:05:05,48 --> 02:05:10,35
a road traffic engineer here that's going
to you know I can have an opinion I guess

1411
02:05:10,39 --> 02:05:17,35
why that's why I'm asking Yeah yeah it
would be to not increase the. I don't

1412
02:05:17,36 --> 02:05:22,28
know I just I don't I don't think that's
fair the previous speakers have stated

1413
02:05:22,29 --> 02:05:28,76
that they don't want to change the character
of the road changed I've heard so

1414
02:05:28,92 --> 02:05:32,83
that's fine but we can't ignore the safety
So we've got to do something well you

1415
02:05:32,84 --> 02:05:36,68
know you don't have to do anything unless
you decide to do it on the other similar

1416
02:05:36,69 --> 02:05:39,85
roads throughout the town the
earlier statement by the z b

1417
02:05:39,86 --> 02:05:44,82
a chairman that this has nothing to do with
the 40 being is is like we said earlier

1418
02:05:44,83 --> 02:05:51,20
we're talking about rights Well tonight.
All right it's you know we can dance

1419
02:05:51,21 --> 02:05:55,39
around it but the reason we're here
tonight is because of the 40 being the 48

1420
02:05:55,40 --> 02:06:01,24
project that's the reason why I
would recommend you try to find

1421
02:06:01,25 --> 02:06:06,68
a way to implement to address
some of the issues today and work

1422
02:06:07,54 --> 02:06:12,44
collaboratively with Mass Highway mass
thought of what about the right and having

1423
02:06:12,45 --> 02:06:17,44
a public meeting here which I suggested
to get the residents to be able to give

1424
02:06:17,45 --> 02:06:20,34
their input and have
Carolyn Dyke emerging me.

1425
02:06:23,86 --> 02:06:28,90
Eldridge and others in this room but we
still have to address what we already know

1426
02:06:30,56 --> 02:06:37,13
thank you. So. I I want to
thank everybody for their

1427
02:06:37,31 --> 02:06:43,70
input so no I want to just address something
that I was just brought up no I'm not

1428
02:06:43,74 --> 02:06:50,55
I'm not trying to wrap things up.
When this study came out. You know. I

1429
02:06:50,56 --> 02:06:55,34
think it's clear that but for this project
we don't have this study so there's

1430
02:06:55,35 --> 02:07:01,14
a relationship whether it's official
or legal or not. That being the case.

1431
02:07:02,85 --> 02:07:03,46
I was that

1432
02:07:03,50 --> 02:07:08,83
a mascot hearing with Mr Rooney and Ms
Dikembe regarding main street several weeks

1433
02:07:08,84 --> 02:07:15,13
ago at that time I asked
Representative Di camera to

1434
02:07:15,71 --> 02:07:22,58
help us get involved with the state
with regard to the route 995

1435
02:07:22,59 --> 02:07:27,48
area but with particular regard to what we
knew was coming or was proposed to come

1436
02:07:28,13 --> 02:07:32,75
with with regard to flag road and the
Park Central project she wholeheartedly

1437
02:07:32,76 --> 02:07:37,51
agreed So in answer to the question of who's
going to be sitting at the table with

1438
02:07:37,52 --> 02:07:43,33
the state is Galligan I certainly will
volunteer to do that Ms Di Camillo will be

1439
02:07:43,34 --> 02:07:48,78
as well she has made that pledge and as
far as I'm concerned everything is on the

1440
02:07:48,79 --> 02:07:53,50
table including Mr Morris the suggestion
that construction be delayed until we get

1441
02:07:53,51 --> 02:07:58,57
it resolved I'm not saying that's ultimately
where I would come out on this but you

1442
02:07:58,58 --> 02:08:03,03
know there's no there's no sugarcoating
or hiding the fact that this is all

1443
02:08:03,04 --> 02:08:09,43
interrelated I do have. Sympathy

1444
02:08:09,71 --> 02:08:12,86
for or empathy for the
suggestion that this is

1445
02:08:12,87 --> 02:08:15,82
a this is an infrastructure
issue this is not

1446
02:08:15,83 --> 02:08:20,08
a neighborhood issue. It's not to say where
I come out on it but to the but to the

1447
02:08:20,09 --> 02:08:25,55
question about where we go from here I
just want to make that comment. So we can

1448
02:08:25,56 --> 02:08:32,24
continue with the learning
London I live on for you 9

1449
02:08:32,78 --> 02:08:38,45
and I have 4 children their school and we
frequent this road of course and I'm very

1450
02:08:38,46 --> 02:08:44,64
concerned. I want to say if there were no
development and I were just to look at

1451
02:08:44,65 --> 02:08:49,90
the road I would have concerns also about
the place between Deerfoot and where it

1452
02:08:49,91 --> 02:08:56,55
starts where different terms and flag up
and everything because it is. And I'm very

1453
02:08:56,56 --> 02:09:02,08
concerned about the idea of having. Because
I remember from my experience driving

1454
02:09:02,09 --> 02:09:07,39
the Jamaica way back in the days that the
center line in evil to drive much faster

1455
02:09:07,71 --> 02:09:12,41
than not having it there I remember in 2000
you were 2003 repave that you make away

1456
02:09:12,64 --> 02:09:18,75
and I'm driving down to Norwood from Boston
on that road and when when we didn't

1457
02:09:18,76 --> 02:09:18,98
have

1458
02:09:18,99 --> 02:09:23,87
a line in there yet it was almost impossible
to drive fast but soon as that yellow

1459
02:09:23,88 --> 02:09:25,70
line came in we were
all companies and like

1460
02:09:25,71 --> 02:09:31,63
a highway and I we don't want that to happen
on flag it's very as it is my kids do

1461
02:09:31,64 --> 02:09:37,95
I do let my kids walk and ride bicycles on
that road from there to get to to blacks

1462
02:09:37,96 --> 02:09:44,04
or nor even Yeah you have to live. By
That's what the current condition of

1463
02:09:44,27 --> 02:09:51,09
traffic if we were to add in volume I think
it's really just practically speaking

1464
02:09:51,20 --> 02:09:57,35
impossible to me that roadway safe without
dramatically changing the character of

1465
02:09:57,36 --> 02:10:02,98
the road we all who live on this road have
historic wall where you'd have to take

1466
02:10:02,99 --> 02:10:07,91
those walls down you'd be eating into
the road it's you know it would become

1467
02:10:07,92 --> 02:10:12,30
a street away road and part of part of the
use curves very dangerous they also slow

1468
02:10:12,31 --> 02:10:14,84
the traffic if it were to become

1469
02:10:14,85 --> 02:10:18,31
a street or road I can see how you
would people would love to use this as

1470
02:10:18,32 --> 02:10:23,70
a cut through and furthermore I think that
the problem really is I think some of

1471
02:10:23,71 --> 02:10:28,47
the people may have said this before too
but if you solve it somehow by mitigating

1472
02:10:28,48 --> 02:10:33,50
for flag and you're for it you leave lover's
lane and clear furred and other side

1473
02:10:33,51 --> 02:10:39,92
of your foot open to cut through in to all
the same problems I think while I love

1474
02:10:39,93 --> 02:10:44,49
to just talk about what I think we should
do here and mitigate the current traffic

1475
02:10:44,50 --> 02:10:45,34
on flag because that's

1476
02:10:45,35 --> 02:10:51,15
a near and dear to me topic being living
there overall I have to say we cannot

1477
02:10:52,19 --> 02:10:57,48
add volume to this road anywhere in this
neighborhood it's just this this involved

1478
02:10:57,49 --> 02:10:59,43
this. This is not

1479
02:10:59,44 --> 02:11:05,88
a problem you can kind of iterate away it's
just going to go somewhere else and if

1480
02:11:05,89 --> 02:11:06,17
this is

1481
02:11:06,18 --> 02:11:11,40
a residential town with small children
and in the on every street that's why we

1482
02:11:11,41 --> 02:11:15,52
moved That's why are these are so expensive
it's because we want to send our kids

1483
02:11:15,53 --> 02:11:19,72
to school here and have a nice town
to live in and if we have created

1484
02:11:19,73 --> 02:11:24,89
a situation where there is dangerous volume
all that stuff is affected. It's not

1485
02:11:24,90 --> 02:11:29,37
felt for anymore so. Please reassure me as

1486
02:11:29,38 --> 02:11:33,52
a resident that you will not increase the
volume on the roads here and then I'd

1487
02:11:33,53 --> 02:11:38,60
love to come back and talk more about the
hunt for through the bone Ok thank you

1488
02:11:38,61 --> 02:11:45,47
very much. Thank. You

1489
02:11:45,64 --> 02:11:47,13
so imagine 16

1490
02:11:47,14 --> 02:11:51,100
a pantry. A lot of points I was going to
make has already been brought up but I

1491
02:11:52,01 --> 02:11:58,65
think to just reiterate the Park
Central project and traffic issues

1492
02:11:58,66 --> 02:12:04,88
absolutely tied together we already are
showing that flag is having issues and I

1493
02:12:04,89 --> 02:12:09,79
don't think just numbers been mentioned
very much we're talking about adding about

1494
02:12:09,80 --> 02:12:13,06
3000 to another 3200 car trips

1495
02:12:13,10 --> 02:12:19,77
a day roads and to add that to
the 1700 or so car trips every

1496
02:12:19,78 --> 02:12:23,58
having already we're talking about
close to $5000.00 car trips

1497
02:12:23,63 --> 02:12:28,73
a day on these roads and that's insane
We're going to be talking essentially

1498
02:12:28,74 --> 02:12:34,19
playing Russian roulette with our kids and
the people who are using these rooms and

1499
02:12:34,23 --> 02:12:41,03
I would advocate and urge the boards
yourselves and the other boards in town. To

1500
02:12:41,26 --> 02:12:45,95
put a halt to this development until we
have addressed these issues until we have

1501
02:12:45,96 --> 02:12:51,81
a solution or won't be going to be doing
for our safety and then have to use

1502
02:12:51,82 --> 02:12:57,07
discussions about this massive project
coming into town it is the largest

1503
02:12:57,08 --> 02:13:01,03
development and the history of this town
we are raising the population by 10

1504
02:13:01,04 --> 02:13:06,48
percent we need to plan to smite more
effectively than what's being done already

1505
02:13:07,59 --> 02:13:13,89
thank you thank you so. I think it
does put it it's been brought up

1506
02:13:13,90 --> 02:13:18,01
a number of times and I think it needs to
be stated for the record that the traffic

1507
02:13:18,02 --> 02:13:23,22
study for the Park Central development the
larger you know whether it's the 40 the

1508
02:13:23,23 --> 02:13:28,86
last study was for the full build out of
the site that's been done multiple times

1509
02:13:29,07 --> 02:13:35,68
it's been vetted peer reviewed by myself
while the different firm and while the

1510
02:13:35,69 --> 02:13:40,68
passions are understandable and the concern
is very real I think everyone needs to

1511
02:13:40,69 --> 02:13:44,02
understand you're up against. You know

1512
02:13:44,03 --> 02:13:49,81
a very defined process of engineering
standards and metrics and whether or not you

1513
02:13:49,82 --> 02:13:55,37
agree with the outcomes the amount of
traffic that will be projected along the

1514
02:13:55,38 --> 02:13:58,91
residential portions of these roads from
that development unless that is at its

1515
02:13:58,92 --> 02:14:05,30
peak hour under the worst case assumptions
which we asked for in the peer review is

1516
02:14:05,31 --> 02:14:05,81
less than 2

1517
02:14:05,82 --> 02:14:10,86
a minute in the morning peak hour you may
disagree with that you may feel that that

1518
02:14:10,87 --> 02:14:15,49
was not properly vetted I will tell you
it's been through the ringer 3 times you're

1519
02:14:15,50 --> 02:14:16,16
not going to get

1520
02:14:16,17 --> 02:14:20,66
a traffic scenario out of there that shows
holistic catastrophic failure you have

1521
02:14:20,67 --> 02:14:26,70
no safety instances on record of real
consequence which would document

1522
02:14:26,71 --> 02:14:32,49
a safety concern I am not trying to say
this from the point of view of saying your

1523
02:14:32,50 --> 02:14:39,41
concerns are not real I'm saying it
from the point of view of. The the data

1524
02:14:39,52 --> 02:14:44,15
in the outcome of these studies is not in
question this project's been returned you

1525
02:14:44,16 --> 02:14:45,96
from way in court already from

1526
02:14:45,97 --> 02:14:50,23
a safety traffic standpoint I said this
during the period you process you do not

1527
02:14:50,24 --> 02:14:53,84
have grounds to the night the project based
on traffic and safety what you do have

1528
02:14:53,85 --> 02:14:54,90
is a fair share commitment to

1529
02:14:54,91 --> 02:15:01,23
a preexisting safety concern which is.
What we're trying to narrow the focus down

1530
02:15:01,24 --> 02:15:06,06
to with the approach we took in the safety
study done many development projects of

1531
02:15:06,79 --> 02:15:12,50
large large scale I can tell you the
infrastructure that's on this plan is

1532
02:15:12,51 --> 02:15:16,67
a representative dollar amount for
mitigation from a transportation impact for

1533
02:15:16,68 --> 02:15:23,50
a project of this size and scale. That's
the reality that faces the town and

1534
02:15:25,10 --> 02:15:30,26
you know the solutions got to be somewhere
you know the passions only elevate us

1535
02:15:30,27 --> 02:15:36,29
above the conversation of what's the
pragmatic solution at hand so just to get

1536
02:15:36,30 --> 02:15:39,82
a sense of this gentleman's been waiting
is there any up any other people that do

1537
02:15:39,83 --> 02:15:41,48
wish to speak just we can get

1538
02:15:41,49 --> 02:15:48,28
a sense. So I'm going to start with
John I'm at the microphone now

1539
02:15:48,43 --> 02:15:54,94
Jeremy travels 59 flag road. You know so I
kind of got back to what we do today you

1540
02:15:54,95 --> 02:16:01,61
know it's it for the traffic safety issue
on the road so you know I I would if I

1541
02:16:01,62 --> 02:16:03,93
had 10 year old kids I would not
send them out on the road it is

1542
02:16:03,94 --> 02:16:10,60
a reasonably fast windy blind side road
that being said you know I walk I jog I

1543
02:16:10,64 --> 02:16:11,00
don't ride

1544
02:16:11,01 --> 02:16:15,65
a bike but I do those things on the road I
know when to navigate the road I know to

1545
02:16:15,66 --> 02:16:20,52
be careful I chose to live here I actually
don't want anything changed on the road

1546
02:16:21,14 --> 02:16:25,78
maybe so maybe some were in force and I
think maybe more signage enforcement if we

1547
02:16:25,79 --> 02:16:30,43
have to go if we have to do this let's do
it incrementally I think with the least

1548
02:16:30,44 --> 02:16:37,02
damage to the road to the to the
neighborhood like I said I I walk I I run

1549
02:16:37,54 --> 02:16:41,67
I can navigate when cars into cars they
do come down and it's tough when 2 are

1550
02:16:41,68 --> 02:16:47,22
coming and you know there is that is
surprising more surprising and that it happens

1551
02:16:47,23 --> 02:16:50,31
very often in fact. I still have

1552
02:16:50,32 --> 02:16:55,39
a gate that but it now looking down the
road past just what we do now if there was

1553
02:16:55,40 --> 02:17:01,67
4 times 3 times the volume of that I couldn't
navigate that that's what I can't so

1554
02:17:01,83 --> 02:17:08,51
that's the longer term
things thank you. Briefly

1555
02:17:08,73 --> 02:17:15,18
just I think your whole report and even
being sponsored by the developer was

1556
02:17:15,19 --> 02:17:20,33
a clear conclusion that this is an unsafe
road so I don't think I backtrack on your

1557
02:17:20,34 --> 02:17:23,92
own findings are you talking to the
average crash rate as great of income

1558
02:17:23,93 --> 02:17:27,30
comparable roads in our state
you mention that there's

1559
02:17:27,31 --> 02:17:31,44
a lack of roadside shoulders clear zones
line of sight pedestrian refuge areas

1560
02:17:31,99 --> 02:17:34,34
that's also called hopping off the
road so you don't get slammed by

1561
02:17:34,35 --> 02:17:40,47
a car. So. I don't think we end on the
note that there is no safety concern here

1562
02:17:40,72 --> 02:17:45,47
and also we look at this through the rubric
of commuters We love our cars in the

1563
02:17:45,48 --> 02:17:50,03
burbs but there's no mention of the number
of pedestrians per day and so nothing or

1564
02:17:50,04 --> 02:17:55,79
no sense of who uses the road who doesn't
know for rubber wheels beneath them and I

1565
02:17:55,80 --> 02:17:56,14
think that's

1566
02:17:56,15 --> 02:18:00,21
a completely different perspective that
has to be taken into account those people

1567
02:18:00,22 --> 02:18:03,83
are not going away and they will have to
dodge 4 times the number of cars on an

1568
02:18:03,84 --> 02:18:07,35
already declared by your
own report on safe road.

1569
02:18:12,21 --> 02:18:16,20
I'll just say the characterization of 4
times as much traffic is not accurate that

1570
02:18:16,21 --> 02:18:20,48
there is for all traffic exits on Flag road
but the vast majority of it 80 percent

1571
02:18:20,53 --> 02:18:25,34
upwards quickly takes a right out of
flag road from the site driveway in

1572
02:18:25,35 --> 02:18:30,12
a right on to Route 9 so 80 at
most you know you're talking about

1573
02:18:30,13 --> 02:18:33,52
a very small percentage that actually
travels through that the populated areas of

1574
02:18:33,53 --> 02:18:36,33
these roadways and that's you know we're
going to keep hearing it over and over

1575
02:18:36,34 --> 02:18:41,27
again the reality of the situation is that's
actually what's taking place all right

1576
02:18:41,86 --> 02:18:46,37
Mr Green Mr Green please that's a
hypothetical guess right that has

1577
02:18:46,38 --> 02:18:49,91
a tickle guess that's what I think this
audience these understand I'm not saying

1578
02:18:49,92 --> 02:18:54,10
this for my per opinion I'm telling you
from the methodology of traffic engineering

1579
02:18:54,11 --> 02:18:59,23
had been vetted for 50 years any arbiter
is going to side with the methodology and

1580
02:18:59,24 --> 02:19:04,95
that's the reality that the residents have
to understand. The other point I want to

1581
02:19:04,96 --> 02:19:09,74
make that you had agreed earlier is at the
end of this study the developer opened

1582
02:19:09,75 --> 02:19:14,44
up the traffic to the existing office
building the existing hotel and the gas

1583
02:19:14,45 --> 02:19:16,68
station none of these 3300 cars

1584
02:19:16,69 --> 02:19:19,95
a day account for those metrics
and we didn't raise that point.

1585
02:19:27,11 --> 02:19:31,93
Thank you for this form because having
gone attended other planning meetings

1586
02:19:32,36 --> 02:19:37,37
meetings there has been no form to express
concerns to the board selectman in terms

1587
02:19:37,38 --> 02:19:43,02
of process IOW it's my understanding
that there was that the you know 40 b.

1588
02:19:43,03 --> 02:19:46,69
Is locked and loaded that there's been an
agreement among some of the about hers

1589
02:19:46,80 --> 02:19:49,01
with with the towel with his e.p.a.

1590
02:19:49,78 --> 02:19:53,36
Part of that is subject to
a gag order I would have

1591
02:19:53,37 --> 02:19:55,34
a question with regard
to whether or not that's

1592
02:19:55,35 --> 02:19:58,25
a violation of open meeting
law in that state maybe

1593
02:19:58,29 --> 02:20:01,70
a question for the state ethics commission
because it's my understanding that these

1594
02:20:01,71 --> 02:20:07,70
kinds of issues these matters these
developments huge in scope get vetted publicly

1595
02:20:07,91 --> 02:20:13,85
so so let's just clear that up right now
what are you referring to gag order. It's

1596
02:20:13,86 --> 02:20:15,71
my understanding that
some of the a bothers

1597
02:20:15,75 --> 02:20:19,55
a struck an agreement some kind of agreement
now certainly that doesn't represent

1598
02:20:19,73 --> 02:20:24,60
the town at large of the citizens in this
room but there was some kind of agreement

1599
02:20:24,61 --> 02:20:28,41
struck and and the individuals
involved are subject to

1600
02:20:28,42 --> 02:20:32,03
a gag order and I would have a
question as to whether or not that's

1601
02:20:32,04 --> 02:20:37,65
a violation of open meeting law so
what meeting took place. Who is.

1602
02:20:38,87 --> 02:20:45,57
That Jeremy Well you're saying that
you believe the individuals that the

1603
02:20:45,58 --> 02:20:51,28
neighbors who. Struck an agreement with the
developer and I believe that did occur

1604
02:20:51,32 --> 02:20:52,47
but they're subject to

1605
02:20:52,48 --> 02:20:56,06
a gag order you can explain it to no no
no I'm asking you ma'am you said they're

1606
02:20:56,07 --> 02:20:56,49
subject to

1607
02:20:56,50 --> 02:21:00,66
a gag order I'm just asking the source of
of your statement because I'm certainly

1608
02:21:00,67 --> 02:21:04,29
not aware of that the people in the
neighborhood the people involved but you should

1609
02:21:04,30 --> 02:21:05,16
ask those a.b.a.

1610
02:21:05,17 --> 02:21:08,23
And it's clearly you must have some knowledge
of it could you just referenced it

1611
02:21:08,24 --> 02:21:12,36
yourself but thank you I have knowledge
that that agreement exists absolutely gag

1612
02:21:12,37 --> 02:21:15,63
order absolutely not Mr
Bartolini the neighbors had

1613
02:21:15,64 --> 02:21:21,04
a lawyer representing them and it was
during the permitting of the use variance

1614
02:21:21,08 --> 02:21:26,15
they made an agreement witness the
Peachtree on the development and different

1615
02:21:26,16 --> 02:21:32,19
things we took in put that agreement in the
decision of the use variance on record

1616
02:21:32,20 --> 02:21:37,93
with the town it was properly done
that way so the agreement itself is

1617
02:21:37,94 --> 02:21:42,26
a public record yes it is right you have
any any comment with regard to the gag

1618
02:21:42,27 --> 02:21:47,04
order and the only comment that I haven't
had would correct me on it is that the

1619
02:21:47,05 --> 02:21:51,52
traffic study that was done was
done on the original 3 funny b.

1620
02:21:51,53 --> 02:21:58,21
Projects which was $588.00
units and this is $374.00

1621
02:21:58,22 --> 02:22:04,24
units less than that that's being built
as of today but the December 2015 t.c.

1622
02:22:04,25 --> 02:22:10,08
Traffic report took into account Park
Central project as it exists Yes well it's

1623
02:22:10,09 --> 02:22:11,44
the full build of the project as

1624
02:22:11,45 --> 02:22:17,71
a term in Permian these developments
segmentation. To get their state level permit

1625
02:22:17,87 --> 02:22:21,02
they have to account for the full build
out of their site you can't carve out one

1626
02:22:21,03 --> 02:22:27,75
piece and then come back and so going back
to our 1st peer review we asked for an

1627
02:22:27,76 --> 02:22:32,61
accounting of the full traffic at full build
out which are less and exactly relates

1628
02:22:32,66 --> 02:22:36,25
but. We did ask for that year and

1629
02:22:36,26 --> 02:22:41,62
a half ago that's what the December study
was for and. Are going to mitigate the

1630
02:22:41,63 --> 02:22:48,38
project for its full build
out thank you. Mr Green

1631
02:22:49,04 --> 02:22:52,94
was ready to make a comment after Mr
Green if you could please line up with

1632
02:22:52,95 --> 02:22:53,99
a microphone just so we can get

1633
02:22:54,00 --> 02:22:59,25
a sense for where we are at 950 now
obviously want to be buddies concerns heard

1634
02:22:59,58 --> 02:23:03,86
just to comment on whatever agreement the
agreement between the neighbors of the

1635
02:23:03,87 --> 02:23:10,36
butter's was actually was to consider
allowing for grading for specific

1636
02:23:10,91 --> 02:23:16,25
pieces of the $48.00 that's all and that's
all it was about her specific so I'm not

1637
02:23:16,26 --> 02:23:22,23
sure what other language that the attorney
I'm sure Mr. Believe his name is I'm

1638
02:23:22,24 --> 02:23:27,90
sure he can he can certainly comment on
what exactly is within that order I would

1639
02:23:27,91 --> 02:23:34,10
be appalled if it went anything beyond
the the grading agreement to allow the

1640
02:23:34,11 --> 02:23:40,21
builder or developer Mr De Petri to look
at the possibility of grading on to some

1641
02:23:40,22 --> 02:23:47,20
of the butter Mr Martell to
Mark Nelson Bantry just.

1642
02:23:48,58 --> 02:23:55,20
Point of clarification even though
it wasn't in the official study the

1643
02:23:55,21 --> 02:24:00,49
idea of terminating flag road is now something
that is to be officially considered

1644
02:24:01,12 --> 02:24:05,61
and it's something that you have
officially identified as potentially cheap

1645
02:24:05,62 --> 02:24:11,30
potentially very effective is that correct
it's something that's in the tool box I

1646
02:24:11,31 --> 02:24:13,32
think given the nature of
where we are that there's

1647
02:24:13,33 --> 02:24:19,42
a place for it in the conversation I
would say that that what is a requires

1648
02:24:19,43 --> 02:24:23,67
a far different conversation to take place
that's taking place here today the study

1649
02:24:23,68 --> 02:24:28,23
doesn't account for any you know where does
that traffic go that would be something

1650
02:24:28,24 --> 02:24:33,83
that could be explored in the future. And
from yes from my perspective I think

1651
02:24:34,91 --> 02:24:35,32
having

1652
02:24:35,33 --> 02:24:40,06
a conversation that includes getting flag
wrote at this point in time it should be

1653
02:24:40,07 --> 02:24:46,91
at least better look thank you
and thank you all right I

1654
02:24:46,92 --> 02:24:53,00
think we are good and if there's
any. I'd just like to make

1655
02:24:53,01 --> 02:24:58,75
a clarification 1st when I was pressing
Mr Morris It was out of respect for his

1656
02:24:58,76 --> 02:25:00,62
knowledge but I also had

1657
02:25:00,63 --> 02:25:06,48
a fatality on my street on the road which
is windy with stone walls and probably

1658
02:25:06,49 --> 02:25:09,92
for the last 6 or 7 years of
gone to Ms Gallagher to have

1659
02:25:09,93 --> 02:25:13,73
a tree removed at the end of my driveway
because of the slight clearance and

1660
02:25:13,74 --> 02:25:13,88
there's

1661
02:25:13,89 --> 02:25:19,11
a line drive away side to the right of
my driveway and every time I talk to her

1662
02:25:19,12 --> 02:25:23,51
about it and I stand there at the school
bus stop with my grandchildren I decide

1663
02:25:23,52 --> 02:25:23,92
it's not

1664
02:25:23,93 --> 02:25:27,45
a good move to remove the tree because the
traffic is going to go that much faster

1665
02:25:27,52 --> 02:25:32,35
that's why I asked the question it might
have came across that I wasn't concerned I

1666
02:25:32,36 --> 02:25:33,39
am concerned I did have

1667
02:25:33,40 --> 02:25:37,89
a fatality at the end of my driveway so
whatever we do here has another impacts so

1668
02:25:37,90 --> 02:25:39,24
that's all I was opening the door

1669
02:25:49,02 --> 02:25:54,17
thank Mr Gray and one of the next day
or so now before we move on any further

1670
02:25:54,18 --> 02:25:58,26
discussions with mass thought there needs
to be represented from this board or at

1671
02:25:58,27 --> 02:26:00,68
least to with the d.p.w.

1672
02:26:00,79 --> 02:26:03,76
And police chief and ask for

1673
02:26:03,77 --> 02:26:08,11
a public meeting to take place in this room
yet more discussion now but I think it

1674
02:26:08,12 --> 02:26:08,31
should be

1675
02:26:08,32 --> 02:26:14,56
a no vote that's what we're going to
do so anyone leaving here knows that's

1676
02:26:14,57 --> 02:26:21,57
a boat surely something that works and
it's fine. I'm personally committed to

1677
02:26:21,58 --> 02:26:24,18
it and and that's as good as

1678
02:26:24,19 --> 02:26:28,58
a vote is far as I'm concerned I would add
to this conversation they should be very

1679
02:26:28,59 --> 02:26:32,50
cognizant of the people process that is
your opportunity to officially weigh in on

1680
02:26:32,51 --> 02:26:36,13
the record for your comments that need to
be responded to and that's going to be

1681
02:26:36,14 --> 02:26:41,69
a key moment for the town's interest to be
represented at the state level and just

1682
02:26:41,70 --> 02:26:46,98
for the scheduling of that you know where
we stand on the meter process and when

1683
02:26:47,29 --> 02:26:50,84
I'm not overly familiar with it I'm sure
there's going to be elements in the town

1684
02:26:50,85 --> 02:26:57,67
who are fair and conservation
with you thank you

1685
02:26:57,92 --> 02:26:59,19
thank you very much disagree.

1686
02:27:08,63 --> 02:27:11,12
Thank you for coming out this
evening to really welcome back.

1687
02:27:15,64 --> 02:27:18,40
Do you. Want to take it and take

1688
02:27:18,41 --> 02:27:23,22
a 2 minute Terry 2 minute recess. As

1689
02:27:23,23 --> 02:30:17,42
a sacred. Public

1690
02:30:17,43 --> 02:30:24,33
comment. He says thank you. Thank
you Mr Rooney I just want to

1691
02:30:24,95 --> 02:30:29,42
I had no idea that my remarks
tonight would somewhat echo

1692
02:30:29,43 --> 02:30:34,50
a couple of comments that were made during
the last discussion but nonetheless I'd

1693
02:30:34,51 --> 02:30:36,02
just like to read into the record

1694
02:30:36,03 --> 02:30:41,07
a letter that I will submit to
the board for just your f.y.r.

1695
02:30:41,08 --> 02:30:47,65
Your information. And it is in response
to my re appointment to the public works

1696
02:30:47,66 --> 02:30:52,23
planning board so I'd just like to read
it into the record Dear Mr Rooney in the

1697
02:30:52,24 --> 02:30:56,64
members of the board I am writing to inform
you that after much deliberation I have

1698
02:30:56,65 --> 02:31:00,97
decided not to seek reappointment to
the public works planning board I have

1699
02:31:00,98 --> 02:31:05,72
informed the town moderator the appointing
authority of the same after 2 years on

1700
02:31:05,73 --> 02:31:08,27
the Public Works planning
board I walk away with

1701
02:31:08,28 --> 02:31:13,94
a dual sense of accomplishment and frustration
while I am pleased to I was part of

1702
02:31:13,98 --> 02:31:18,93
an effort to reenergize the Public Works
planning board I am equally dissatisfied

1703
02:31:18,94 --> 02:31:23,27
with the lack of collaboration the Public
Works planning board has received from

1704
02:31:23,28 --> 02:31:27,35
the town's executive it is very
disconcerting to be a member of

1705
02:31:27,36 --> 02:31:31,88
a board that must struggle to do its job
effectively do the lack of courtesy

1706
02:31:31,89 --> 02:31:37,35
respect and appreciation while the Board
of Selectmen is not the appointing

1707
02:31:37,36 --> 02:31:41,04
authority it is the direct board the
Public Works Planning Board reports to

1708
02:31:41,23 --> 02:31:45,95
offering advice on certain Department of
Public Works matters I joined the Public

1709
02:31:45,96 --> 02:31:49,63
Works planning board to try to promote
enhance and support the d.p.w.

1710
02:31:49,64 --> 02:31:54,62
And its mission to provide quality services
to our town this was after the cemetery

1711
02:31:54,63 --> 02:31:58,44
debacle of 2014 I was met with

1712
02:31:58,45 --> 02:32:03,74
a hostile indivisible environment from the
beginning my very 1st meeting to major

1713
02:32:03,75 --> 02:32:08,80
events set the tone one I was elected
chairperson with an uncomfortable $3.00 to

1714
02:32:08,81 --> 02:32:13,79
$2.00 vote and 2 former Board of Selectmen
Chairman Bill Bowlen told the public

1715
02:32:13,80 --> 02:32:18,15
works planning board that he didn't believe
we had any relevance and if it were up

1716
02:32:18,16 --> 02:32:23,01
to him the Public Works planning but would
not exist from then. I did my very best

1717
02:32:23,02 --> 02:32:26,35
to work cooperatively with
my colleagues the d.p.w.

1718
02:32:26,36 --> 02:32:30,95
Superintendent the board of selectmen and
the town administrator I gain trust and

1719
02:32:30,96 --> 02:32:35,34
respect for my colleagues and was really
reelected chairperson unanimously

1720
02:32:35,38 --> 02:32:36,07
establishing

1721
02:32:36,08 --> 02:32:40,38
a professional working relationship with
the group however I am not convinced the

1722
02:32:40,39 --> 02:32:41,07
d.p.w.

1723
02:32:41,08 --> 02:32:45,35
Superintendent Board of Selectmen or the
town administrator ever truly wanted the

1724
02:32:45,36 --> 02:32:49,78
public works planning board to work
efficiently and effectively the course of

1725
02:32:49,79 --> 02:32:55,08
events this past year confirmed my assessment
after multiple attempts to bridge the

1726
02:32:55,09 --> 02:32:59,93
gap between the boards I appealed to
Selectmen to work with us or dissolve the

1727
02:32:59,94 --> 02:33:02,22
board through Home Rule petition during

1728
02:33:02,23 --> 02:33:07,61
a board of selectmen meeting in September
15 This resulted in Mr Sze outlining in

1729
02:33:07,62 --> 02:33:12,45
his personal goals and need to clarify the
role ultimately the board of selectmen

1730
02:33:12,46 --> 02:33:13,28
voted to make this

1731
02:33:13,29 --> 02:33:17,57
a yearly goal I'll note that due to my
insistence and the Public Works planning

1732
02:33:17,58 --> 02:33:23,10
boards tenacity this was the only board
of selectmen goal of 15 and 16 that was

1733
02:33:23,11 --> 02:33:27,20
successfully achieved to that and I
am very proud of that accomplishment.

1734
02:33:28,17 --> 02:33:32,49
Unfortunately the events leading up to this
meeting tonight solidified my decision

1735
02:33:32,50 --> 02:33:36,89
not to seek report appointment even though
the Public Works planning board and

1736
02:33:36,90 --> 02:33:41,79
board of selectmen agreed to clarify
charge 3 weeks ago there was no attempt to

1737
02:33:41,80 --> 02:33:45,71
communicate and reach out to the board
relative to the transfer station rules and

1738
02:33:45,72 --> 02:33:51,39
regulations agenda item per the clarified
charge the blob of works Planning Board

1739
02:33:51,40 --> 02:33:55,95
has review and recommendation authority
over this issue yet the town never informed

1740
02:33:55,96 --> 02:34:00,98
me of an agenda item in or deadline for
submission of documentation for the meeting

1741
02:34:01,22 --> 02:34:06,45
I did however submit materials prior to
this meeting as I assumed this discussion

1742
02:34:06,63 --> 02:34:12,08
was taking place I never received confirmation
of my correspondence and it was not

1743
02:34:12,09 --> 02:34:17,19
included in the public packet intell
recently Additionally the d.p.w.

1744
02:34:17,20 --> 02:34:21,57
Superintendent notified the public works
Planning Board of changes in the transfer

1745
02:34:21,58 --> 02:34:27,44
station information including the financial
numbers after my memo was sent I firmly

1746
02:34:27,45 --> 02:34:31,96
believe that had my memo not been sent
Miss Galligan would not have informed the

1747
02:34:31,97 --> 02:34:37,13
public works Planning Board of any changes
these deficiencies in communication in

1748
02:34:37,14 --> 02:34:38,45
conciliation show me

1749
02:34:38,46 --> 02:34:42,75
a true lack of willingness to work
collaboratively It's like the entire process

1750
02:34:42,76 --> 02:34:47,42
this year to work toward a common goal was
a colossal waste of all of our time as

1751
02:34:47,43 --> 02:34:52,27
a matter of fact this week's experience is
not an isolated incident over the course

1752
02:34:52,28 --> 02:34:56,85
of my 2 your appointment the Public Works
planning board members and I have enjoyed

1753
02:34:56,86 --> 02:35:02,02
a great working relationship yet Miss
Galligan flip flops on many issues depending

1754
02:35:02,03 --> 02:35:07,23
on her audience if you care to attend any
of our meetings you would find we respect

1755
02:35:07,24 --> 02:35:11,70
one another's diverse opinions share plenty
of laughs and even discuss town stories

1756
02:35:11,71 --> 02:35:17,43
new and old Miss Galligan is cordial
informative and assists us during our meetings

1757
02:35:17,71 --> 02:35:23,27
however when the issue goes before your
board and the cameras turn on the story for

1758
02:35:23,28 --> 02:35:29,40
Miss Galligan routinely changes Mr Rooney
I. Just like the op be afforded the

1759
02:35:29,41 --> 02:35:34,49
opportunity to finish my statement I have
about 6 sentence through it we've got

1760
02:35:34,74 --> 02:35:40,46
statements being made against or about
public officials town officials who are

1761
02:35:40,47 --> 02:35:41,81
sitting in the room or we're going to have

1762
02:35:41,82 --> 02:35:43,86
a debate back and forth
about there is no off

1763
02:35:43,87 --> 02:35:48,10
a bit in my public comment Mr Clendon and
I would appreciate if you didn't continue

1764
02:35:48,11 --> 02:35:50,25
to bully me every time I have

1765
02:35:50,26 --> 02:35:54,67
a hold on hold you hold may not only have
done that throughout your tenure I hold

1766
02:35:54,68 --> 02:36:01,67
little else hold Israel on hold
on everyone hold on there is

1767
02:36:01,68 --> 02:36:06,63
an item on the agenda or public comment
I will allow the public to continue

1768
02:36:06,64 --> 02:36:08,63
commenting I'm not going to engage in

1769
02:36:08,64 --> 02:36:14,98
a back and forth unless Mr Galligan
wants to continue on and finish up and

1770
02:36:15,78 --> 02:36:19,07
that was my concern you.
This results in a can

1771
02:36:19,30 --> 02:36:22,96
a vast majority of the time she tells the
public works planning board one thing in

1772
02:36:22,97 --> 02:36:25,35
the Board of Selectmen
another this results in

1773
02:36:25,36 --> 02:36:30,01
a contentious environment pitting me is
chairperson against her resulting in

1774
02:36:30,02 --> 02:36:32,67
a public perception that the
public works planning board as

1775
02:36:32,68 --> 02:36:34,82
a whole is out to get the d.p.w.

1776
02:36:34,83 --> 02:36:39,82
Or superintendent nothing could be further
from the the truth despite my best

1777
02:36:39,83 --> 02:36:43,84
efforts to work collaboratively with her
and her entire admin in your entire

1778
02:36:43,85 --> 02:36:45,48
administration it has been

1779
02:36:45,49 --> 02:36:49,67
a struggle of epic proportions serving
on the Public Works Planning Board has

1780
02:36:49,68 --> 02:36:54,59
confirmed my view of Miss Galligan she is
very intelligent and very knowledgeable

1781
02:36:54,60 --> 02:36:58,07
in her field but exhibits
tactless unscrupulous and

1782
02:36:58,08 --> 02:37:02,65
a vase of character this is not up to the
standards of our community her lack of

1783
02:37:02,66 --> 02:37:07,22
leadership an inability to connect with
residents has hurt our town in many d.p.w.

1784
02:37:07,23 --> 02:37:09,33
Initiatives in recent years as

1785
02:37:09,34 --> 02:37:13,99
a volunteer in our town for almost 20 years
I am saddened by the current state of

1786
02:37:14,00 --> 02:37:19,02
volunteerism in our community the complete
and utter disregard for cooperation and

1787
02:37:19,03 --> 02:37:23,97
appreciation for what community volunteers
have to offer is astounding I can no

1788
02:37:23,98 --> 02:37:28,24
longer in good conscious and good health
continue to give myself to a community

1789
02:37:28,54 --> 02:37:29,89
a board of selectmen and

1790
02:37:29,90 --> 02:37:34,65
a municipal organization that doesn't
appreciate the aspect of working together for

1791
02:37:34,66 --> 02:37:39,19
the betterment of the town the environment
the board of selectmen has afforded me

1792
02:37:39,74 --> 02:37:45,52
over the course of my 2 year involvement
has been met with confrontation disrespect

1793
02:37:45,56 --> 02:37:45,69
and

1794
02:37:45,70 --> 02:37:50,70
a very low professional standard I do not
know why anyone would want to volunteer

1795
02:37:50,71 --> 02:37:50,91
for

1796
02:37:50,92 --> 02:37:56,87
a board or committee and be met with this.
And be met with this or your staff that

1797
02:37:56,88 --> 02:38:01,34
is oftentimes colds and unprofessional
it's an environment that I must remove

1798
02:38:01,38 --> 02:38:06,70
remove myself from respectfully submitted
Deseret asa beacon and I'd also wish any

1799
02:38:06,71 --> 02:38:10,28
of the remaining members of the Public
Works planning board and anyone that takes

1800
02:38:10,29 --> 02:38:16,49
my place much success I sincerely hope that
they do not have the same struggle that

1801
02:38:16,50 --> 02:38:17,92
I have had in my shoe years as

1802
02:38:17,93 --> 02:38:22,32
a volunteer in this town for this
particular board Thank you Mr Rooney for

1803
02:38:22,33 --> 02:38:28,74
affording me the opportunity to speak
during public comment. Any comment from the

1804
02:38:28,75 --> 02:38:35,11
board. I am going to Mr Rooney.

1805
02:38:37,71 --> 02:38:44,05
Mr Purple did is Miss Galligan
latest review complete

1806
02:38:44,31 --> 02:38:46,72
and what was

1807
02:38:46,73 --> 02:38:51,70
a review her reviews not complete
yet her review date is July 1st Ok.

1808
02:38:55,93 --> 02:39:00,39
I'm going to skip around only because on
the consent to gender there are Spiegel

1809
02:39:00,40 --> 02:39:06,83
who have been here since 7 o'clock. And
I'm going to try to address those items

1810
02:39:07,60 --> 02:39:13,42
for those people who would probably
prefer to leave as opposed to stay here

1811
02:39:18,62 --> 02:39:23,90
I'm going to go. First to Mr Moderator.

1812
02:39:25,23 --> 02:39:31,67
On item number 6 approved charge
for ad hoc town meeting review

1813
02:39:31,68 --> 02:39:35,48
committee and item number.

1814
02:39:39,19 --> 02:39:46,02
For one appointment of members
to ad hoc town meeting review

1815
02:39:46,03 --> 02:39:52,19
committee I think I can at least get one
person out of the room that may not want

1816
02:39:52,20 --> 02:39:58,75
to be here. For much longer Mr Moderator
Good evening good evening to the board.

1817
02:39:59,94 --> 02:40:05,29
So when we had last met or it may have
been last me may have been the meeting

1818
02:40:05,30 --> 02:40:11,69
before that we discussed some revisions to
the ad hoc town meeting review committee

1819
02:40:11,70 --> 02:40:18,33
which I believe had been made Yes so it
would be for this board it on Item Number

1820
02:40:18,34 --> 02:40:23,35
6 to approve that charge which was in our
package is that you understand yes on the

1821
02:40:23,36 --> 02:40:30,29
modifications are simple 1st that at
your be hast the board to add an ex

1822
02:40:30,30 --> 02:40:35,14
officio member which would be time
in a straight or and also to include

1823
02:40:35,43 --> 02:40:42,17
a dissolution date which in my mind
would be after the annual time meeting

1824
02:40:42,53 --> 02:40:45,56
in the event that that group would
be required to come and make

1825
02:40:45,57 --> 02:40:50,48
a statement about what they found
so that perhaps the motion Mr Sze

1826
02:40:58,12 --> 02:41:03,86
. Any further discussion My only question
is Is there anything that they may

1827
02:41:03,87 --> 02:41:08,30
propose that town meeting may approve that
would then have to go to the ballot in

1828
02:41:08,31 --> 02:41:15,09
May of next year that we know and the only
reason I ask is perhaps we extend the

1829
02:41:15,46 --> 02:41:21,48
sunset day to the committee beyond town
election next year and I have no objection

1830
02:41:21,49 --> 02:41:23,66
to there is the possibility there is

1831
02:41:23,67 --> 02:41:27,06
a possibility that they may come back and
recommend representative you don't know

1832
02:41:27,10 --> 02:41:32,70
Representative Tom anyone else. And that
would require some some discussion for

1833
02:41:32,71 --> 02:41:35,22
sure I'm not suggesting
that but I'm saying that is

1834
02:41:35,23 --> 02:41:40,48
a plausibility Well just for ease of the
calendar why don't we just make their

1835
02:41:40,52 --> 02:41:45,52
their dissolution date June 30 coincided
with the fiscal year and then we would

1836
02:41:45,53 --> 02:41:50,48
want to I have no objection that's my
only suggestion otherwise I'm in favor.

1837
02:41:54,16 --> 02:41:58,57
With respect to item number
for one. We received

1838
02:41:58,58 --> 02:42:05,56
a letter to day from. The

1839
02:42:05,57 --> 02:42:11,87
moderator indicating that there were 3
out of the 5 committee members that we

1840
02:42:13,88 --> 02:42:18,78
indicated would constitute the committee
you were to appoint 3 you've indicated the

1841
02:42:18,79 --> 02:42:24,10
3 that you are going to appoint those are
Mr Clay Rannells Mr Stephen David and

1842
02:42:24,11 --> 02:42:30,64
misusing green blackness. And
as this board knows there are 3

1843
02:42:30,65 --> 02:42:36,96
additional candidates who have
indicated interest or desire to.

1844
02:42:38,31 --> 02:42:44,82
Be on that committee and those are
Mr Timothy Martell Ms Donna McDaniel

1845
02:42:45,31 --> 02:42:51,35
and Ms Julie Conley.
So if we adhere to the

1846
02:42:51,92 --> 02:42:58,14
strict dictates of 5 members and one of
those volunteers would not be on the

1847
02:42:58,15 --> 02:43:03,70
committee my suggestion my recommendation
is that unless there is strong objection

1848
02:43:04,55 --> 02:43:09,63
and although it's not always the best
practice to do this is that given the nature

1849
02:43:09,64 --> 02:43:13,89
of this committee given what I would
expect the discussions take place and the

1850
02:43:13,90 --> 02:43:19,51
research that will be ongoing this can
it would seem to me at my simple one now

1851
02:43:20,39 --> 02:43:26,54
that we include everyone who is applied
to be on this ad hoc committee and not

1852
02:43:26,70 --> 02:43:29,69
excise out one just based upon

1853
02:43:29,70 --> 02:43:33,48
a numbers game that would be my record and
if I may I'm in complete agreement with

1854
02:43:33,49 --> 02:43:39,93
that we raise the flag 6 people raise their
hand and I think it would behoove us to

1855
02:43:39,94 --> 02:43:45,08
accept those volunteers because I think
we'll get some good discussion and good

1856
02:43:45,09 --> 02:43:49,81
research from that So you see you seeing
your package in terms of 3 additional

1857
02:43:49,82 --> 02:43:56,16
volunteers Mr much tell Mr
McDaniel and Miss con. Should

1858
02:43:56,20 --> 02:44:02,65
we amend the charge of the ad hoc
committee to increase the numbers

1859
02:44:02,92 --> 02:44:09,74
for board of selectmen appointees
to 3 I so I move toward

1860
02:44:09,75 --> 02:44:20,98
a good yes

1861
02:44:20,98 --> 02:44:23,69
. I have a question for t.v.

1862
02:44:23,70 --> 02:44:28,84
Land was your advisory board member would
require the approval of the advisory

1863
02:44:28,85 --> 02:44:35,52
board so I believe him no he's

1864
02:44:35,53 --> 02:44:39,78
no longer on it. So that does
it becomes moot right thank you

1865
02:44:42,51 --> 02:44:47,10
so so you have any more questions on
increasing the size of the committee I do know

1866
02:44:47,11 --> 02:44:53,07
you resign go ahead you are going

1867
02:44:54,01 --> 02:45:00,94
so I move to amend the charge the
charge to increase it up to 3 Board of

1868
02:45:00,95 --> 02:45:07,47
Selectmen appointees and for the

1869
02:45:07,48 --> 02:45:11,79
discussion Yeah I'm in favor of this all
vote for but I do want to just reiterate

1870
02:45:11,80 --> 02:45:16,79
my personal. Concern as you just said Mr
Rooney that this is not precedent setting

1871
02:45:16,80 --> 02:45:20,83
and that you know increasing committees
to fit the size of the volunteer pool is

1872
02:45:20,84 --> 02:45:24,76
not something that you know we all know I'm
not suggesting we automatically do it I

1873
02:45:24,77 --> 02:45:27,71
just want to make clear to whoever else
might be out there were listening or

1874
02:45:27,72 --> 02:45:31,79
watching that it's not something
that you know it was as

1875
02:45:31,80 --> 02:45:36,31
a matter of course but in this case I think
your justification is well taken and if

1876
02:45:36,32 --> 02:45:40,84
I may speak to that in most cases in most
committees you're going to have an odd

1877
02:45:40,85 --> 02:45:47,45
number 587835879 and in this case it would
be unusual I don't think it should be

1878
02:45:47,74 --> 02:45:53,54
protocol in every situation I don't remain
in this case I don't think that. I.

1879
02:45:56,96 --> 02:45:58,77
Will I move to

1880
02:45:58,78 --> 02:46:04,30
a point Donna McDaniel to Martell and
Julie Connelly is the Board of Selectmen

1881
02:46:04,31 --> 02:46:08,89
appointees to the ad hoc town
meeting review committee there's

1882
02:46:08,90 --> 02:46:15,71
a 2nd thing I gradually sions
regulations thank you for volunteering

1883
02:46:16,47 --> 02:46:21,53
and one must thing that Mr Rooney if if I
May 1 of the things that has suggested in

1884
02:46:21,54 --> 02:46:25,23
the letter is that at some point in time
will make contact with this group I will

1885
02:46:25,24 --> 02:46:30,55
formally appoint an. The board will
point their members but we can create

1886
02:46:30,91 --> 02:46:35,34
a quick meeting for charge that myself and
you would be able to and so we'll try to

1887
02:46:35,35 --> 02:46:39,60
coordinate that just to point them in the
right direction and set them free perfect

1888
02:46:39,73 --> 02:46:46,27
thank you thanks very much. Mr Guy or I'm

1889
02:46:46,28 --> 02:46:50,82
skipping around here because I I mean
I'm trying to make it as convenient as

1890
02:46:50,83 --> 02:46:57,82
possible item number of 51212
approved one day liquor license and

1891
02:46:57,83 --> 02:47:01,59
Rotary Club June 1916 event
tells a little bit that

1892
02:47:02,01 --> 02:47:05,04
a little bit about that welcome
now what we're planning is

1893
02:47:05,05 --> 02:47:10,27
a fundraising event and the purpose
of the fund raising is to support our

1894
02:47:10,28 --> 02:47:14,26
scholarship program and I don't know if
you've seen we recently stepped up to the

1895
02:47:14,45 --> 02:47:19,64
table and we are now offering a $4000.00
scholarship for a student going to

1896
02:47:19,65 --> 02:47:23,80
a state school in Melbourne when actually
from Southport resident we don't limit it

1897
02:47:23,81 --> 02:47:29,25
to accomplish. And in order to support
that we're looking to try to expand our

1898
02:47:29,26 --> 02:47:35,13
fundraising opportunities and. One of the
members and one of our new members to the

1899
02:47:35,62 --> 02:47:41,15
for the club is the dean of students that
Saint Marks and he has been very helpful

1900
02:47:41,16 --> 02:47:46,90
to us and arranging to use facilities
their fathers they so. They have

1901
02:47:46,91 --> 02:47:51,24
a tent already set up their facility set
up and so we could we could easily use

1902
02:47:51,25 --> 02:47:52,46
that thing I know this is

1903
02:47:52,47 --> 02:47:58,43
a little short notice on this because.
So what we're trying to plan is

1904
02:47:58,44 --> 02:48:02,03
a Father's Day event that we think fathers
would be and would would like to have

1905
02:48:02,08 --> 02:48:05,46
would be a beer and and some chicken
wings and some ice cream in

1906
02:48:05,47 --> 02:48:08,98
a bonfire is that what we're that's we're
planning that we hope people will be in

1907
02:48:09,02 --> 02:48:12,40
those about that right and and if this
goes well what I would like to invite

1908
02:48:12,41 --> 02:48:16,48
everybody was if I were to come right so
hopefully you can know you can approve

1909
02:48:16,49 --> 02:48:19,93
this and that we can get all the you know
we have all the paperwork straightened

1910
02:48:19,94 --> 02:48:25,89
out and. We can make this happen so I
hope you consider this thank you any

1911
02:48:25,90 --> 02:48:32,19
questions. Ok

1912
02:48:33,03 --> 02:48:38,75
I moved to approve the one day liquor
license Rotary Club June 19th 2016 event it

1913
02:48:38,76 --> 02:48:44,11
was like all favor right thank you
thank you thank you love to see you do

1914
02:48:44,12 --> 02:48:48,57
1048 pm thank you thank
you thank you very much

1915
02:48:55,36 --> 02:49:02,23
I guess with regards to number consent
agenda number one and number 11

1916
02:49:02,59 --> 02:49:08,57
I'd recommend that we hold those both
those minutes with respect to number 11

1917
02:49:09,43 --> 02:49:10,17
you do not have

1918
02:49:10,18 --> 02:49:14,28
a draft of the executive session and so I
don't know you could approve those and

1919
02:49:14,29 --> 02:49:19,45
number one there's still some discussion
as to the wording on some of the minute

1920
02:49:19,95 --> 02:49:24,74
language so I would just take those off
the consent agenda the seating and move

1921
02:49:24,75 --> 02:49:26,90
forward with those on

1922
02:49:26,91 --> 02:49:33,20
a different evening your time I just note
May 17th correct we can we can approve

1923
02:49:33,21 --> 02:49:38,66
May 6th that's the that's
half of the number one

1924
02:49:40,54 --> 02:49:47,32
can you Mr Smith can you just remind
me what May 60 Minutes. Yes it

1925
02:49:47,33 --> 02:49:48,07
was it was

1926
02:49:48,08 --> 02:49:54,93
a. An ad hoc meeting in the morning to
ratify the hire of your agent we can put

1927
02:49:57,96 --> 02:50:04,38
all move we approve the minutes of May 6th
2016 is printed in our packet 2nd and

1928
02:50:04,39 --> 02:50:09,42
further discussion own favor
I want one abstention.

1929
02:50:12,17 --> 02:50:14,12
Consent agenda items

1930
02:50:14,13 --> 02:50:21,00
234578910

1931
02:50:22,61 --> 02:50:29,57
we want Mr Clinton we're going
to request that we through 9

1932
02:50:29,58 --> 02:50:36,14
separate So 2 through $9.00 to $3.00
on exclusive lips and we take out 8

1933
02:50:40,90 --> 02:50:47,52
but now so well we should acknowledge
7 as well you know open session.

1934
02:50:49,49 --> 02:50:55,62
Move consent agenda items 234
and 5 2nd so all in favor.

1935
02:50:57,76 --> 02:51:02,42
I move consent Agenda Item number
7 approve new contract for d.p.w.

1936
02:51:02,43 --> 02:51:05,94
Superintendent interest 2nd
2nd any further discussion

1937
02:51:12,74 --> 02:51:16,52
no I just want to make sure that people
understand you know the devotions and so

1938
02:51:16,53 --> 02:51:20,41
forth are done in executive session but
obviously we come back to public session to

1939
02:51:20,88 --> 02:51:26,30
do the final approval right now and the
contract was in the packet right back on

1940
02:51:26,31 --> 02:51:33,06
Favre. A move consent agenda item number 8
approved bottom line budget spending for

1941
02:51:33,07 --> 02:51:33,35
d p

1942
02:51:33,36 --> 02:51:42,99
w f y 17 budget and like to
amend that it's the f y 16 2nd

1943
02:51:43,00 --> 02:51:48,67
it has amended. Any further
discussion on favor.

1944
02:51:50,94 --> 02:51:55,15
A move consent Agenda Item number 9
approved meeting schedule for remainder of

1945
02:51:55,20 --> 02:52:02,14
calendar 2016 your 2nd 2nd just one f y I

1946
02:52:02,15 --> 02:52:08,91
that the next June meeting date May
I may well i know i cannot be there

1947
02:52:08,92 --> 02:52:15,80
so there may be some changing and Mr
Purple is not available either so put that

1948
02:52:16,50 --> 02:52:22,06
schedule in your and so and won't
miss that as we move forward on

1949
02:52:23,33 --> 02:52:30,10
Friday with the next June
meeting on Favre I move

1950
02:52:30,11 --> 02:52:35,90
consent agenda item 1017 board in
committee appointments there are 2nd

1951
02:52:38,49 --> 02:52:42,40
discussions. We have I know there's

1952
02:52:42,41 --> 02:52:49,49
a print out black and white like

1953
02:52:49,53 --> 02:52:55,21
my main point Mr Chairman and we've
talked about this and other meetings is.

1954
02:52:56,44 --> 02:53:03,02
We've got. It. The term issue
you know there's some of these.

1955
02:53:04,19 --> 02:53:08,61
Boards and committees have and I know that
it's part of our bylaws that maybe it's

1956
02:53:08,62 --> 02:53:15,52
gushing some of these for one
year some for 3 some for 5 this

1957
02:53:15,53 --> 02:53:16,44
board of selectmen is

1958
02:53:16,45 --> 02:53:21,59
a 3 year term. The 5 year terms obviously
those are to me quite signature.

1959
02:53:22,29 --> 02:53:28,59
Appointments. That I think we owe it to
but number one the discussion of people

1960
02:53:28,60 --> 02:53:28,96
want to have

1961
02:53:28,97 --> 02:53:34,04
a tonight as to whether or not I think
it's appropriate to continue with 5 or

1962
02:53:34,05 --> 02:53:41,03
should they be 3 Damascus the say for
instance the term of board of selectmen and

1963
02:53:41,04 --> 02:53:47,71
see if the if the residents agree
with that and then. I know that the

1964
02:53:47,72 --> 02:53:54,61
practice has been if people want to be
reappointed. There's really not much of

1965
02:53:54,62 --> 02:53:58,87
any discussion about those re appointments
but there's some committees in

1966
02:53:58,88 --> 02:54:05,75
particular that I feel have
significant. Authority that. That

1967
02:54:05,76 --> 02:54:06,42
I've thought of

1968
02:54:07,11 --> 02:54:13,91
a open space historical things that
you know are often in the news and.

1969
02:54:14,99 --> 02:54:18,100
We do We don't have we don't see

1970
02:54:19,01 --> 02:54:24,74
a great influx of residents
looking to be on those

1971
02:54:24,93 --> 02:54:28,14
a good it helps all of us to have a

1972
02:54:28,78 --> 02:54:35,14
a large pool to to look at if that's not
possible that's understandable as well

1973
02:54:35,15 --> 02:54:40,07
sometimes it just doesn't happen but for
those committees in particular I'd love to

1974
02:54:40,08 --> 02:54:44,95
hear from those members that would like
to be reappointed you know did they share

1975
02:54:44,96 --> 02:54:51,47
the same. Concerns of this board

1976
02:54:51,90 --> 02:54:57,85
or there are their concerns or perspectives
may be different from this board which

1977
02:54:57,86 --> 02:55:03,25
is also Ok but we'd like to I think we
owe it to the public to have the that

1978
02:55:03,26 --> 02:55:06,60
discussion before just

1979
02:55:06,61 --> 02:55:13,41
a blanket approval with 0 discussion for
that's that's my thought and if anyone

1980
02:55:13,42 --> 02:55:20,05
else agrees with that or has any
other this is Saturday looking at

1981
02:55:20,06 --> 02:55:26,100
the list of requests for reappointment I
share some of what can is articulating

1982
02:55:27,01 --> 02:55:31,38
here that I'm aware the recycling in the
Green Technology Committee I believe the

1983
02:55:31,39 --> 02:55:35,28
law may be one member on it is it
really necessary we pay a salary to

1984
02:55:35,29 --> 02:55:41,83
a department head we just. Upping on
ourselves. And fairness to miss sitting over

1985
02:55:41,84 --> 02:55:44,45
there she and her committee put together

1986
02:55:44,46 --> 02:55:50,65
a public works charge I call it I mean I
there are some department heads here that

1987
02:55:50,66 --> 02:55:56,29
have multiple committees that they're
serving community with and I wonder if

1988
02:55:56,30 --> 02:55:56,73
there's really

1989
02:55:56,74 --> 02:56:02,08
a need there's open space preservation and
I'm probably going to get criticized for

1990
02:56:02,09 --> 02:56:05,93
mentioning this but I know they're working
with the planning board I mean to me

1991
02:56:05,94 --> 02:56:06,15
that's

1992
02:56:06,16 --> 02:56:11,69
a planning issue it's in the towns by law
what open space is when do we decide that

1993
02:56:11,95 --> 02:56:16,84
everybody's starting to trip over and I
would really like to hear from open space

1994
02:56:17,31 --> 02:56:17,92
not because of

1995
02:56:17,93 --> 02:56:23,61
a reappointment But what is the collaborative
effort between the planning board to

1996
02:56:23,62 --> 02:56:24,30
come up with

1997
02:56:24,34 --> 02:56:28,94
a number or what we're trying to achieve
green technology recycling and I question

1998
02:56:28,95 --> 02:56:31,21
if we need the committee
any longer I do have

1999
02:56:31,22 --> 02:56:35,57
a question about constable I think the
point of that individual the last time we

2000
02:56:35,58 --> 02:56:40,88
know the name was raised and I'm not
sure maybe it needs to be done again for

2001
02:56:40,89 --> 02:56:46,32
summer but I'm not in favor
of pointing the recycling

2002
02:56:51,31 --> 02:56:55,55
committee until we hear from the
committee where they're going and

2003
02:56:59,30 --> 02:57:06,20
so why don't we rather than do this on
the fly if you will why don't we why

2004
02:57:06,21 --> 02:57:11,50
don't you let me put out your posit this
recommendation and see if it has any legs

2005
02:57:12,22 --> 02:57:18,91
that. Between now in June 30th we have
another meeting we will have another meeting

2006
02:57:19,40 --> 02:57:26,34
and to the extent that
those individuals based

2007
02:57:26,35 --> 02:57:32,12
upon Mr Callender's comments or those
committees based upon this is fan it's

2008
02:57:32,13 --> 02:57:37,26
comments to the extent that any
of the 5 of us would like to have

2009
02:57:37,30 --> 02:57:44,25
a discussion either individually
or globally that we send the

2010
02:57:44,26 --> 02:57:50,49
names of the committees or the. The
applicants to Mr Purple we invite those

2011
02:57:51,12 --> 02:57:56,12
committees or individuals to our next
meeting and we have that discussion that

2012
02:58:00,33 --> 02:58:07,29
I spent I don't think it's the
individual's Iman's I mean I there are 2

2013
02:58:07,30 --> 02:58:11,45
committees I think we need to hear from
before we decide we don't need Ok I do You

2014
02:58:11,46 --> 02:58:14,90
mentioned the constable I just didn't
understand it perhaps understand that I think

2015
02:58:14,100 --> 02:58:19,82
I mentioned it only because I believe we
are already made that point Ok At our last

2016
02:58:19,83 --> 02:58:23,15
meeting at our last meeting
along with sexual harassment

2017
02:58:29,64 --> 02:58:36,35
this I'd like to invite or at least now
ask Karen for recycling the recycling

2018
02:58:36,36 --> 02:58:41,78
committee green technology committee and
our next meeting not tonight but the

2019
02:58:41,79 --> 02:58:45,89
envelope of your open space I think that's

2020
02:58:45,90 --> 02:58:52,58
a discussion with the planning now what you
are there rules with the committees not

2021
02:58:52,59 --> 02:58:55,76
individuals yet can be

2022
02:58:55,77 --> 02:59:01,21
a combination of committees and
particular roles terms and what

2023
02:59:02,92 --> 02:59:08,80
I would be in for what you propose rather
than trying to do it I mean in deference

2024
02:59:08,81 --> 02:59:13,72
to the committees or the in deference to
them we should at least invite them for

2025
02:59:13,73 --> 02:59:19,50
the discussion to give us more into it
from ation I know for instance having been

2026
02:59:19,51 --> 02:59:24,70
on the green technology committee that
they have historically or have immediately

2027
02:59:24,71 --> 02:59:30,01
been the main proponent of the town becoming
the green can community and if they're

2028
02:59:30,02 --> 02:59:33,57
no longer exist which I don't think they
can exist because there's only one member

2029
02:59:33,58 --> 02:59:39,80
now then someone needs to take that up and
that may be the type of discussions that

2030
02:59:39,81 --> 02:59:46,57
we could have so I would recommend that
we continue item number 10 until our

2031
02:59:46,58 --> 02:59:48,60
next meeting in June and we have

2032
02:59:48,61 --> 02:59:54,82
a further discussion at that time and
between now and then members of this board

2033
02:59:54,83 --> 03:00:01,54
can send comments to Mr
Purple as to what committees

2034
03:00:01,98 --> 03:00:07,32
they would like to have come in to discuss
with us at our next meeting because it

2035
03:00:07,33 --> 03:00:13,10
makes sense as just one quick question if
I guess. I do notice in the reappointment

2036
03:00:13,11 --> 03:00:13,92
list there is

2037
03:00:13,93 --> 03:00:18,83
a fence viewer and feel driver and yet we
have one of each also in the vacancies

2038
03:00:19,52 --> 03:00:26,05
correct that we have no actually we want I

2039
03:00:31,81 --> 03:00:37,21
can just add to those that have
served on various committees

2040
03:00:37,95 --> 03:00:44,78
a number of years one reason
or of it not chosen to be

2041
03:00:44,79 --> 03:00:47,87
reappointed I would just like to thank
them all for the service that they have

2042
03:00:47,88 --> 03:00:54,29
provided to us thank you for noting that
So we'll continue that to our next meeting

2043
03:00:56,17 --> 03:01:00,95
and I believe that. The consent
to get one's understanding.

2044
03:01:05,42 --> 03:01:10,38
I don't 62 appointment of temporary
employee to facilities department.

2045
03:01:13,30 --> 03:01:14,39
Has the power please

2046
03:01:22,70 --> 03:01:28,37
Good evening and good day
very long there were 16.

2047
03:01:31,17 --> 03:01:37,31
Please tell us about this temporary employee
they need in where you are at on that

2048
03:01:37,32 --> 03:01:38,66
sir as you know we have

2049
03:01:38,67 --> 03:01:43,04
a vacancy in the department right now
maintenance technician and as you are also

2050
03:01:43,05 --> 03:01:47,34
aware we are currently beginning the move
of the building department down to court

2051
03:01:47,35 --> 03:01:51,68
of the hall as such are workload is quite
heavy We want to be thorough in our

2052
03:01:51,69 --> 03:01:56,20
investigation and search for the proper
employee to take the place to fill the

2053
03:01:56,21 --> 03:02:01,19
vacancy we're hoping to do so by Labor Day
we want to put the advertisement out for

2054
03:02:01,20 --> 03:02:03,25
good for 6 weeks I want
to really make sure I get

2055
03:02:03,26 --> 03:02:09,27
a very strong pool of candidates as such
I basically need someone to carry us

2056
03:02:09,28 --> 03:02:14,57
through to that point we put the ad out
we posted in-house we only received 5

2057
03:02:14,73 --> 03:02:18,86
applicants likely I have one that
has carpentry background work as

2058
03:02:18,87 --> 03:02:24,78
a carpenter's assistant. To work for the
summer and the department is in desperate

2059
03:02:24,79 --> 03:02:28,38
need so as such I would like
to hire that individual

2060
03:02:32,15 --> 03:02:37,43
and any questions comments
discussion. Of course this is

2061
03:02:37,44 --> 03:02:39,70
a position that you're feeling
it's not a position it's

2062
03:02:39,71 --> 03:02:46,65
a temporary position yes there's no
suggestion on. The position look and you know

2063
03:02:46,66 --> 03:02:50,87
if you're in the time that you're at
it. Was during the time of advertiser

2064
03:02:50,88 --> 03:02:52,19
advertising for

2065
03:02:52,20 --> 03:03:00,86
a full time permanent
position. No indication. That

2066
03:03:00,87 --> 03:03:06,29
this position will continue none whatsoever
Nope this is and unbeneficial temporary

2067
03:03:06,30 --> 03:03:12,44
full time position strictly until it
is filled with new you know we go out

2068
03:03:12,45 --> 03:03:18,21
advertisement for the regular full time
mate and start mission this is literally

2069
03:03:18,22 --> 03:03:19,62
a bridge to get us to

2070
03:03:19,63 --> 03:03:26,39
a point where we've hired someone we don't
have offer any way you know when it's

2071
03:03:26,40 --> 03:03:30,10
ever to my knowledge it was advertised
as an benefitted No it's a 10 No it's

2072
03:03:30,11 --> 03:03:34,75
a temporary position we're not required
to offer benefits to it as the personnel

2073
03:03:34,76 --> 03:03:37,78
board reviewed this
request at all or played

2074
03:03:37,79 --> 03:03:41,93
a role here the personnel board
doesn't have a role in in hiring

2075
03:03:41,94 --> 03:03:45,70
a temporary employee unless
the salary would go above

2076
03:03:45,74 --> 03:03:52,33
a particular range which we have no
intention of doing so they aware of that

2077
03:03:52,92 --> 03:03:58,50
notwithstanding their lack of authority
I believe that that Mrs Hale has shared

2078
03:03:58,51 --> 03:04:02,63
that with with at least the chair of the
personnel board to make him aware that

2079
03:04:04,44 --> 03:04:05,86
this is simply this is simply

2080
03:04:05,87 --> 03:04:10,55
a bridge to help Mr Parent get
through you know what is going to be

2081
03:04:10,56 --> 03:04:13,33
a very busy season albeit we've made it

2082
03:04:13,34 --> 03:04:19,97
a busier season one. And again this
you know the this is not intended

2083
03:04:20,01 --> 03:04:24,33
to be someone that's going to be moved
into a full time position this is simply

2084
03:04:24,34 --> 03:04:27,76
a bridge to get us to where we can have

2085
03:04:27,80 --> 03:04:32,86
a permanent replacement for the person
that Mr parent has lost Absolutely and the

2086
03:04:32,87 --> 03:04:39,33
department is feeling it already so
really it would. That's all right I have

2087
03:04:39,65 --> 03:04:45,61
I would just let you mentioned this
this person has skills in carpentry

2088
03:04:46,47 --> 03:04:51,05
Can you speak though to the skills of
this person qualifications of the person

2089
03:04:51,06 --> 03:04:58,02
you're proposing. As compared to
the other applicants Actually he

2090
03:04:58,03 --> 03:05:02,95
is the only applicant that had any kind
of carpentry skills I've had people with

2091
03:05:02,96 --> 03:05:08,49
security guard pharmaceutical
background. See what was the 3rd one

2092
03:05:10,21 --> 03:05:16,00
was sort of call security one had some
landscaping background and the 4th was

2093
03:05:16,01 --> 03:05:19,39
strictly janitorial that's a that's

2094
03:05:19,40 --> 03:05:23,22
a pool of candidates I have ties to your
judgment is that this person is this

2095
03:05:23,23 --> 03:05:26,60
person has what I need to do
the movie for making we have

2096
03:05:26,61 --> 03:05:31,40
a pretty big project ahead of us for the
next 2 or 3 months we are going to be out

2097
03:05:31,41 --> 03:05:38,10
pretty straight no license
no Perry or you know

2098
03:05:41,82 --> 03:05:47,20
Mr and I would move to prove the point
of temporary employee to apartments as

2099
03:05:47,21 --> 03:05:54,01
requested but in this is that whenever the

2100
03:05:54,02 --> 03:06:00,93
person is goes Never.

2101
03:06:09,11 --> 03:06:16,01
Sorry. Let me just go back and say that
the person that you have put forward

2102
03:06:16,05 --> 03:06:22,32
as the most qualified or indeed the only
qualified is Mr Joseph Gallagher in was

2103
03:06:22,42 --> 03:06:28,32
this Galligan son in and as I was saying
whenever I hire some or whatever in my

2104
03:06:28,33 --> 03:06:35,10
business whenever we hire something we
always do even more due diligence to make

2105
03:06:35,11 --> 03:06:40,46
sure that the person is being hired not
based upon his or her lineage but based

2106
03:06:40,47 --> 03:06:47,11
upon his or her abilities and
anticipated performance. Mr

2107
03:06:47,12 --> 03:06:51,83
Parent can you just can you just assure
this board having met with this individual

2108
03:06:52,14 --> 03:06:58,62
that that concern has is. That I can
absolutely assure you and I will be quite

2109
03:06:58,63 --> 03:07:00,44
honest I found

2110
03:07:00,45 --> 03:07:06,24
a troublesome myself that I actually had
to sit there in question when I knew I was

2111
03:07:06,25 --> 03:07:12,30
going to be hiring the most qualified
individual I actually considered passing them

2112
03:07:12,31 --> 03:07:17,84
over and going to someone possibly less
qualified just out of appearances and I

2113
03:07:17,85 --> 03:07:21,45
find that quite troubling
that I even had to think such

2114
03:07:21,46 --> 03:07:27,00
a thought yeah and I bring it up not not
to put you on the spot but just so that

2115
03:07:27,17 --> 03:07:31,58
you know what that that diligence was
done in terms of your interview process

2116
03:07:31,59 --> 03:07:35,76
absolutely not questioning who you're
putting forward or why you putting forward

2117
03:07:35,77 --> 03:07:39,34
but I just want to assure anyone
who perhaps has that type of

2118
03:07:39,35 --> 03:07:42,74
a concern or would have that type
of concern that that was taken into

2119
03:07:42,75 --> 03:07:43,87
a cab salute me this is

2120
03:07:43,88 --> 03:07:50,26
a trade school trained Carpenter this is
who I need for what I have going on right

2121
03:07:50,27 --> 03:07:51,87
now I don't need someone who is

2122
03:07:51,88 --> 03:07:58,38
a security guard so the motion miss you
know yeah no I just I I'm glad the question

2123
03:07:58,39 --> 03:08:03,29
was asked I you know I don't think we have
any doubt about your the thoroughness of

2124
03:08:03,30 --> 03:08:07,91
your process the reality of
appearances it's just that it's

2125
03:08:07,92 --> 03:08:12,29
a reality so I know unfortunate Well it may
be you know may or may not be but it is

2126
03:08:12,30 --> 03:08:17,14
what it is so we appreciate your coming I
agree so the motion has been made and 2nd

2127
03:08:17,18 --> 03:08:22,28
any further discussion all in
favor I thank you thank you.

2128
03:08:26,66 --> 03:08:32,99
The next item is Item 6 subsection
3 requests from the d.p.w.

2129
03:08:32,100 --> 03:08:38,69
Superintendent to expand chapter 90 funds
on Main Street Project is Galligan.

2130
03:08:48,09 --> 03:08:51,12
I'm since we had we didn't get the vote at

2131
03:08:51,13 --> 03:08:55,53
a town meeting about the easement we put

2132
03:08:55,54 --> 03:09:02,18
a moratorium on spending more money on
the Main Street project but. I ended up

2133
03:09:02,19 --> 03:09:03,25
getting a call from

2134
03:09:03,29 --> 03:09:07,42
a consultant who we were using were actually
guests and technically our consultants

2135
03:09:07,43 --> 03:09:11,87
to the ground penetrating radar survey guys
that I had made an agreement with back

2136
03:09:11,88 --> 03:09:16,52
in October to come and do some work
that storable society requested

2137
03:09:18,54 --> 03:09:24,12
requested along the wall at on the comment
to make sure there was there's nothing

2138
03:09:24,13 --> 03:09:29,90
there archaeologically significant. I had
to put them off obviously because we were

2139
03:09:29,91 --> 03:09:30,02
on

2140
03:09:30,03 --> 03:09:37,34
a moratorium of spending but. We did
commit. To the Historical Commission

2141
03:09:37,35 --> 03:09:41,22
that we would do that along with some
other things and now we're in that letter

2142
03:09:41,23 --> 03:09:46,53
that you saw what I wanted to see was if
we could still do this spending because

2143
03:09:46,54 --> 03:09:52,03
either way even if the project doesn't
go through if that wall ever were to

2144
03:09:52,04 --> 03:09:55,79
collapse of anything that we're doing in
the process of doing any road work it

2145
03:09:55,80 --> 03:10:01,31
would be worth knowing if there is
anything to change the it would change

2146
03:10:01,32 --> 03:10:06,44
everything about any project that we might
want to do on Main Street. But with that

2147
03:10:06,45 --> 03:10:11,00
piece being said there is
also at the at the m.p.o.

2148
03:10:11,01 --> 03:10:16,88
Meeting which Mr and Mr Rooney
gone with me we had a discussion

2149
03:10:16,89 --> 03:10:23,85
a little bit about maybe having some
more. Of the computer renderings

2150
03:10:23,86 --> 03:10:28,88
that we have right now for having We talked
a little bit about if you could drive

2151
03:10:28,89 --> 03:10:30,04
a quarter like as

2152
03:10:30,05 --> 03:10:35,94
a. Computer generated I am working with
cable to do some stuff that will be

2153
03:10:35,95 --> 03:10:41,27
a little different that would obviously
show what was going to be but. That that

2154
03:10:41,28 --> 03:10:47,13
would end up being. The drive through would
be like $7000.00 I'm assuming want to

2155
03:10:47,14 --> 03:10:52,17
do that but to just get more renderings
and to have them be able to address.

2156
03:10:53,65 --> 03:10:55,63
Address the current comments from d.o.t.

2157
03:10:55,64 --> 03:10:59,67
Just to have them address prior to the
vote I just thought that that might be

2158
03:10:59,68 --> 03:11:05,65
helpful if we could have an up to spending.
That the board would be comfortable

2159
03:11:05,66 --> 03:11:10,54
with I don't I don't have right now an
estimate from them on from the consultants

2160
03:11:10,55 --> 03:11:16,38
on how little effort for handling the last
sets of comments there is there's not

2161
03:11:16,39 --> 03:11:21,49
much to them but I just it would be nice
if we could get to that place. Where that

2162
03:11:21,50 --> 03:11:28,37
much further along when meeting
happens and. I'm sorry I

2163
03:11:28,38 --> 03:11:35,35
may have missed this and again if I did
it's not for lack of your effort. The June

2164
03:11:35,36 --> 03:11:39,79
2nd vote did not take place that
is going to be taking place in

2165
03:11:39,80 --> 03:11:44,72
a couple of weeks is that correct yes I was
going to give you an update on that Ok

2166
03:11:45,29 --> 03:11:50,99
well it kind of relates at least in my mind
the efforts of spending money for this

2167
03:11:51,03 --> 03:11:56,98
type of historical research if the
decision from the state is no to us then

2168
03:11:57,60 --> 03:12:04,26
why would we spend that money I think that's
kind of that's what I'm doing and so I

2169
03:12:04,27 --> 03:12:06,42
guess my question is is there

2170
03:12:06,43 --> 03:12:13,29
a way to. Put this item on our
next agenda when we will know

2171
03:12:13,30 --> 03:12:20,17
for certain whether or not we continue on
the tip list yes we can definitely delay

2172
03:12:20,17 --> 03:12:27,14
. I didn't reschedule them yet however I
do think one way or another at least this

2173
03:12:27,15 --> 03:12:32,52
piece would be good to do because it's we
have to obviously do so. Thing on main

2174
03:12:32,53 --> 03:12:38,03
street regardless and it just would be good
to have the information about this but

2175
03:12:38,04 --> 03:12:41,75
it can wait that's not a problem but
just to give you an update on the m.p.o.

2176
03:12:41,76 --> 03:12:46,92
Also before you leave before you leave
the radar how long does it take is

2177
03:12:46,93 --> 03:12:52,17
a one day thing 2 days 2 days All right
thank you go have so with when I was at the

2178
03:12:52,18 --> 03:12:52,75
m.p.o.

2179
03:12:52,99 --> 03:12:59,25
It's much different when you don't have
Carol and I can always. Remember So the

2180
03:12:59,94 --> 03:13:01,62
the committee as

2181
03:13:01,63 --> 03:13:08,23
a whole. They actually there was no staff
recommendation that day which the last

2182
03:13:08,24 --> 03:13:11,80
recommendation was to move us
to f y 18 and staff didn't make

2183
03:13:11,81 --> 03:13:17,91
a recommendation based on the fact that.
Brookline had an issue and we had an issue

2184
03:13:17,92 --> 03:13:21,04
so we were moved back in
theory but that it left

2185
03:13:21,05 --> 03:13:26,77
a gap and they were trying to work out how
to fill that gap and they wanted to make

2186
03:13:26,78 --> 03:13:28,65
sure I understood that we do we did create

2187
03:13:28,66 --> 03:13:32,41
a ripple effect and that we really need
to get moving because it was 100 percent

2188
03:13:32,42 --> 03:13:36,71
our own fault and you know unfortunately
I did not get the word out appropriately

2189
03:13:36,72 --> 03:13:42,25
about the meeting about the about the
easement what they meant to the project and

2190
03:13:42,26 --> 03:13:44,85
whether or not you know
we feel feel we had

2191
03:13:44,86 --> 03:13:51,09
a good representation of what people
really feel like about the project so I

2192
03:13:51,10 --> 03:13:53,82
explained that to them they did seem
to understand it they did have quite

2193
03:13:53,83 --> 03:14:00,69
a few questions for me this time.
About maybe if we could go back to 17

2194
03:14:00,78 --> 03:14:05,31
and if we could see an 18 but right now the
staff recommendation I've been told is

2195
03:14:05,32 --> 03:14:12,28
going to be to keep us in 18
as are. As are currently the

2196
03:14:12,29 --> 03:14:15,46
plan and then they're actually
looking at trying to split

2197
03:14:15,50 --> 03:14:20,14
a project originally thought they were going
to split Weymouth but they're actually

2198
03:14:20,15 --> 03:14:23,50
taking one of these long term
projects and just front loading

2199
03:14:23,51 --> 03:14:28,81
a little bit more so that's right now their
theory and plan and know next Thursday

2200
03:14:31,51 --> 03:14:33,82
one more what they're going to vote.

2201
03:14:42,42 --> 03:14:43,17
Talked about

2202
03:14:43,18 --> 03:14:50,07
a week no parties to be we

2203
03:14:50,08 --> 03:14:55,21
have actually said I don't believe we have

2204
03:14:57,10 --> 03:15:01,60
it helps I know there's some other things
that need to be worked out in order to

2205
03:15:01,61 --> 03:15:06,58
have that I mean the sooner the better for
for me to be able to report to them but

2206
03:15:07,42 --> 03:15:12,70
they haven't really been pushing They said
we we need to get moving but they didn't

2207
03:15:12,71 --> 03:15:15,91
necessarily say if you don't have
it by this you know such and such

2208
03:15:15,92 --> 03:15:19,46
a date you don't have your meeting then
you know all bets are off they've they've

2209
03:15:19,47 --> 03:15:25,00
been accommodating because they understand
there's multiple multiple directions

2210
03:15:25,01 --> 03:15:27,32
that towns are going at the
same time so there's not

2211
03:15:27,33 --> 03:15:30,03
a different schedule and then
we are we have to at least have

2212
03:15:30,04 --> 03:15:33,10
a date in mind because we have proposed
that we have to have hearings in your favor

2213
03:15:33,10 --> 03:15:37,20
. Whatever the warrant is.

2214
03:15:42,71 --> 03:15:49,20
What they were telling me and maybe.

2215
03:15:51,47 --> 03:15:53,20
I think we can arbitrarily pick

2216
03:15:53,21 --> 03:15:56,98
a date in the fall but I'm not sure that
that additional information is going to

2217
03:15:56,99 --> 03:16:01,85
have anything based upon what you told us
in terms of night I think we can probably

2218
03:16:01,86 --> 03:16:04,42
put off until you guys are
ready to actually have

2219
03:16:04,43 --> 03:16:11,28
a set date to tell them we committed I
mean the there Carol and I was there to

2220
03:16:11,29 --> 03:16:13,44
say you know we are committed to having

2221
03:16:13,45 --> 03:16:17,29
a fall town meeting and they're they're
understanding that that's actually one of

2222
03:16:17,30 --> 03:16:22,65
the reasons d.o.t. Is very
supportive of moving us to a b.

2223
03:16:22,66 --> 03:16:26,39
And that was the question could you manage
it and I do believe the consultants

2224
03:16:26,40 --> 03:16:31,10
could manage it I do believe we could
probably get through all the appraisals and

2225
03:16:31,11 --> 03:16:37,85
the and the events if we needed to get it
into 18 I mean I'm sorry 17 which would

2226
03:16:37,86 --> 03:16:44,85
be October. October 1st is the deadline for
that so we technically could do it even

2227
03:16:44,86 --> 03:16:47,42
if I think if they moved
us up but it leaves

2228
03:16:47,43 --> 03:16:52,93
a weird hole versus moving us and Brookline
actually seems to give them. That

2229
03:16:53,07 --> 03:16:59,33
leaving that hole that actually seems
better for them. I would be hesitant to set

2230
03:16:59,34 --> 03:17:03,62
a date at this point knowing that another
part of that special town meeting

2231
03:17:03,66 --> 03:17:09,87
equation public safety but I would
feel I think that we are more

2232
03:17:11,17 --> 03:17:11,68
ready for

2233
03:17:11,69 --> 03:17:15,83
a special town meeting with respect to
Main Street than we are public see as we

2234
03:17:15,84 --> 03:17:19,42
stand right now so I wouldn't mind
saying that we're holding off on setting

2235
03:17:19,43 --> 03:17:22,85
a date until we can get
that half of the equation

2236
03:17:26,23 --> 03:17:28,99
Yeah if if you know the stars do

2237
03:17:29,00 --> 03:17:34,01
a line which we expect them to be aligning
this week somewhat in terms of our

2238
03:17:34,02 --> 03:17:38,75
discussions I think at our next meeting
in June we can discuss or hopefully will

2239
03:17:38,76 --> 03:17:39,81
have on the agenda

2240
03:17:40,19 --> 03:17:45,77
a discussion about where we're at on the
public safety facility proposal and also

2241
03:17:45,78 --> 03:17:51,31
come forward with full town meeting

2242
03:17:56,46 --> 03:18:01,55
I do think we'll be able to set that and
our next meeting in June and also update

2243
03:18:01,56 --> 03:18:05,25
the public where we are at in
our discussions on the publics

2244
03:18:08,54 --> 03:18:15,25
So getting back to this item on the
record on our agenda. Can we put that off

2245
03:18:15,26 --> 03:18:19,11
until our next meeting in June to
that we get further clarification

2246
03:18:19,12 --> 03:18:22,73
a definition as to what if
we are still on that list

2247
03:18:26,63 --> 03:18:33,13
is anyone have anything else that they'd
like to discuss and the other comment

2248
03:18:37,76 --> 03:18:39,79
favor and I thank you.