WEBVTT 1 00:01:06.921 --> 00:01:12.241 Ok Good evening this is the February 15th 2017 meeting of the z. V.a. 2 00:01:15.211 --> 00:01:22.203 And you. Know you can carry. The green light is on better now 3 00:01:26.414 --> 00:01:26.754 you can. 4 00:01:39.617 --> 00:01:40.517 Just make work 5 00:01:52.718 --> 00:01:57.588 Ok so the 1st matter on the agenda is the continued hearing of park Central's 6 00:01:57.598 --> 00:02:03.368 appeal of the planning board's denial of site plan approval and we had We're going 7 00:02:03.378 --> 00:02:04.498 to have a request for 8 00:02:04.508 --> 00:02:11.681 a. Continuance of this year and the date that. Park 9 00:02:11.691 --> 00:02:16.291 Central Park Central has requested and it would work for me would be April 12th 10 00:02:16.701 --> 00:02:23.574 does that work for everyone Wednesday April 12th yes that's 11 00:02:23.584 --> 00:02:30.374 fine with me. Is be thinking of 3 of those making sure it was well so it will to 12 00:02:30.384 --> 00:02:34.114 all 7 o'clock and then we would extend that to the time that we have to make 13 00:02:34.124 --> 00:02:40.986 a decision until May of next week. Yeah yeah 30 days after the 14 00:02:40.996 --> 00:02:46.417 hearing so. May 20th 12 15 00:02:49.438 --> 00:02:55.671 Ok so 16 00:02:56.601 --> 00:02:57.001 can we have 17 00:02:57.011 --> 00:03:02.961 a motion to continue the hearing until April 12th and to extend the time to make 18 00:03:02.971 --> 00:03:08.201 a decision until. In at this time do we have anything else on the agenda for the 19 00:03:08.831 --> 00:03:14.583 12th that we know meeting on the 12th you know the other one. So should we set this 20 00:03:14.593 --> 00:03:18.753 for 7 o'clock then is that yes Ok so I'll make 21 00:03:18.763 --> 00:03:25.693 a motion to extend this matter to an April 12th meeting at 7 pm Ok 22 00:03:25.733 --> 00:03:27.893 and also to extend the time to make 23 00:03:27.903 --> 00:03:34.875 a decision until May 12th and extend the time to make the decision to May 12th also 24 00:03:35.095 --> 00:03:38.066 Ok 2nd all those in favor. 25 00:03:47.839 --> 00:03:48.219 Ok. 26 00:03:58.400 --> 00:04:04.460 Ok the next matter on the agenda is the appeal of Park Central. And the Senate this 27 00:04:04.470 --> 00:04:09.271 is an appeal from the building inspectors failure to. Issue 28 00:04:09.281 --> 00:04:13.081 a decision about basically the same issue planning board denial of site plan 29 00:04:13.091 --> 00:04:17.272 approval. So we're going to do the same thing we're going to take 30 00:04:17.282 --> 00:04:19.582 a vote to continue with the care and could you please read the. 31 00:04:24.264 --> 00:04:27.694 Public your notice the board of appeals of the town of hold 32 00:04:27.704 --> 00:04:29.664 a public hearing in the Thomas j. 33 00:04:29.674 --> 00:04:34.874 McCullough hearing room of self proton house 17 common street on Wednesday their 34 00:04:34.884 --> 00:04:37.454 very 15th 2017 at 7 35 00:04:37.464 --> 00:04:41.884 o 5 pm with regard to the appeal of Capital Group Properties l.l.c. 36 00:04:42.194 --> 00:04:45.674 Regarding failure of a building inspector to issue 37 00:04:45.684 --> 00:04:49.694 a decision pursuant to Mass General Law c 40 38 00:04:49.704 --> 00:04:54.664 a section 7 to enforce town by law 17410 f. 39 00:04:54.934 --> 00:05:00.354 By affirmatively that its site plan was constructively approved and has resulted in 40 00:05:00.364 --> 00:05:03.264 actual harm to the applicant and aggrieved party 41 00:05:03.774 --> 00:05:07.334 a copy of the application may be reviewed at the office of the building department 42 00:05:07.344 --> 00:05:12.884 located at 9 cortical road salt mass during normal business hours Andrew are 43 00:05:12.894 --> 00:05:19.845 getting to Chairman Ok And what I'd like to do is just continue it to 44 00:05:19.855 --> 00:05:22.175 the same date and we could put it on for 7 45 00:05:22.185 --> 00:05:28.355 o 5 and then depending on how the 1st appeal was resolved and there may not even be 46 00:05:28.365 --> 00:05:34.167 a need to proceed with the 2nd you do understand everyone understand what I'm 47 00:05:34.217 --> 00:05:40.950 suggesting Yes Ok so. I think if you want to do it to separate votes that's 48 00:05:40.960 --> 00:05:45.340 fine them yes so. 49 00:05:47.462 --> 00:05:52.972 There as you may know the planning board denied side plan approval for Park Central 50 00:05:53.502 --> 00:05:53.942 we held 51 00:05:53.952 --> 00:06:01.193 a pretty extensive hearing on that in January and. We 52 00:06:01.203 --> 00:06:06.231 didn't. Come to a decision we discontinued it and there's been a request for 53 00:06:06.241 --> 00:06:12.511 a further continuance from the applicant I'm agreeable to it so we're taking 54 00:06:12.521 --> 00:06:14.631 a vote to continue we just took 55 00:06:14.641 --> 00:06:18.501 a vote to continue the appeal of the planning boards and I'll cite plan approval 56 00:06:19.011 --> 00:06:19.981 out into 57 00:06:21.553 --> 00:06:28.495 a date in April April 12th Park Central also filed. An 58 00:06:28.505 --> 00:06:29.855 appeal they wrote 59 00:06:29.865 --> 00:06:33.845 a letter to the building inspector that basically asked the building inspector to 60 00:06:34.275 --> 00:06:34.515 make 61 00:06:34.525 --> 00:06:38.755 a declaration that the site plan had already been approved because the planning board 62 00:06:38.765 --> 00:06:42.836 had not issued a decision within 63 00:06:42.846 --> 00:06:47.816 a certain period of time Ok so because they're seeking pretty much the same relief 64 00:06:47.816 --> 00:06:54.439 . It makes sense to 65 00:06:54.449 --> 00:06:56.449 continue to wrap up the 1st 66 00:06:56.459 --> 00:07:00.999 a few peel before we take up the 2nd appeal as that may move the need to even 67 00:07:01.109 --> 00:07:06.422 proceed with the 2nd appeal. Yes 68 00:07:09.263 --> 00:07:10.965 yes yes. 69 00:07:17.579 --> 00:07:21.889 Well we indicated in our agenda tonight that we were not going to get into the 70 00:07:21.899 --> 00:07:23.469 merits of this we're really just taking 71 00:07:23.479 --> 00:07:35.614 a vote to continue it but it just seems. Like 72 00:07:35.624 --> 00:07:35.744 we're 73 00:07:43.085 --> 00:07:46.236 playing. It you know. 74 00:07:52.501 --> 00:07:58.585 And. It's. Very much. 75 00:08:02.107 --> 00:08:02.627 So. 76 00:08:13.741 --> 00:08:19.534 It was Ok You know you know let's. Can we have 77 00:08:19.544 --> 00:08:20.934 a I'd like to have 78 00:08:20.944 --> 00:08:27.634 a motion to continue the hearing you know you feel. That. 79 00:08:29.127 --> 00:08:31.618 Well. Is there 80 00:08:31.628 --> 00:08:38.560 a 2nd all those in favor and then you need to say we also want to extend the 81 00:08:38.570 --> 00:08:39.610 deadline for us to make 82 00:08:39.620 --> 00:08:46.571 a decision out through May 12th. Is there 83 00:08:46.581 --> 00:08:50.181 a 2nd. All those in favor 84 00:08:53.883 --> 00:08:54.823 Yeah I know Ok 85 00:09:01.476 --> 00:09:08.247 yeah. Yeah I think it's also because you know it's already signed Ok 86 00:09:08.417 --> 00:09:15.378 so I think it's in yeah yeah. Ok when people 87 00:09:15.388 --> 00:09:18.668 think it's so cute I'm going to submit that yes the o.b. 88 00:09:18.678 --> 00:09:23.940 Follow the town clerk and Carolyn you know Ok All right 89 00:09:26.832 --> 00:09:32.742 so the next thing we have the actual public hearing is the continued hearing on the 90 00:09:32.742 --> 00:09:39.643 . Lights for the baseball field and the tennis courts but we can't get to that 91 00:09:39.683 --> 00:09:39.843 in 92 00:09:39.853 --> 00:09:46.866 a clock so. We want to just take the next 93 00:09:47.016 --> 00:09:53.777 item I like to take up is the request of. Mr Bartolini is here 94 00:09:53.967 --> 00:09:54.197 he has 95 00:09:54.207 --> 00:10:02.258 a request to extend. His special permit for $251.00 96 00:10:02.268 --> 00:10:03.788 to $53.00 Parker Bill road. 97 00:10:09.079 --> 00:10:11.670 Ok Ok 98 00:10:17.202 --> 00:10:23.212 Ok so then and you know under-staffed down I don't know if it matters or not but I 99 00:10:23.222 --> 00:10:23.702 just received 100 00:10:23.712 --> 00:10:28.702 a message from Mr Walker that he will not be able to attend this evening Ok so I 101 00:10:28.712 --> 00:10:34.103 don't know if that. So I'm going to I don't recall what Debbie you know as the 102 00:10:34.113 --> 00:10:35.903 alternate if you can come up and. 103 00:11:17.679 --> 00:11:20.129 Ok Mr Barly would like like make 104 00:11:20.139 --> 00:11:26.710 a presentation when you come up here Trevor 105 00:11:27.821 --> 00:11:32.731 let let us know if that Mike works Ok. 106 00:11:36.281 --> 00:11:43.030 Yeah Ok. Good evening. We're here to night request an extension for one 107 00:11:43.040 --> 00:11:49.900 year for only housing for over $55.00 we received a special notice 108 00:11:49.910 --> 00:11:50.670 a decision for 109 00:11:50.680 --> 00:11:57.580 a special permit by this board on April 25th to 2016. Was filed with the Town 110 00:11:57.590 --> 00:12:00.220 Clerk May 3rd and we had 111 00:12:00.230 --> 00:12:04.160 a certified sort of geisha in from town clerk on May 24th and then it was recorded 112 00:12:04.170 --> 00:12:04.980 in the with 113 00:12:04.990 --> 00:12:10.880 a registry of deeds on June 10th. We're trying to be proactive in get out ahead of 114 00:12:10.890 --> 00:12:14.270 this I don't know if I'm actually going to need it but the they the big thing is 115 00:12:14.280 --> 00:12:18.730 that we're still working through the system we are currently before the 116 00:12:18.770 --> 00:12:21.810 conservation we are currently and we should be done with conservation tomorrow 117 00:12:21.820 --> 00:12:26.140 night done list on wanted tomorrow night I've just found out we have to do I think 118 00:12:26.150 --> 00:12:28.820 we have to do another special permit through the planning board but I don't know if 119 00:12:28.830 --> 00:12:32.710 that's true or not but anyway we're still working through the system to get all our 120 00:12:32.720 --> 00:12:37.060 permits done and the other thing is I would prefer to start this in June during the 121 00:12:37.070 --> 00:12:44.060 dry season rather than April May in the wet season so these are my reasons 122 00:12:44.070 --> 00:12:50.222 for asking for the extension currently and believe your decision runs on April 123 00:12:50.232 --> 00:12:57.125 25th Billman is Specter says May 24th I'd rather just get the one 124 00:12:57.135 --> 00:13:04.047 year extension and not have to deal with what's what and any questions from the 125 00:13:04.057 --> 00:13:07.149 board for 126 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:13.954 a straightforward Ok through any public comment Ok 127 00:13:13.964 --> 00:13:19.127 I I'm in favor of this I think it's pretty straightforward and I understand why 128 00:13:19.137 --> 00:13:23.887 you're why you're seeking it. I'll make 129 00:13:23.897 --> 00:13:27.747 a motion to extend this special permit for 130 00:13:28.087 --> 00:13:33.648 a year period an additional year period all right is there a 2nd would you give 131 00:13:33.658 --> 00:13:38.168 a date or just that I think if we're going to extend it by one year and then leave 132 00:13:38.178 --> 00:13:43.058 it to the developer of the building inspector to figure out what is the that's on 133 00:13:43.068 --> 00:13:49.908 strike which I can I think we'd use Karen we use the all the 134 00:13:49.918 --> 00:13:54.090 20th day I. All those 135 00:13:54.100 --> 00:14:01.024 a post Ok thank you. Thank you for 136 00:14:01.034 --> 00:14:01.484 you if. 137 00:14:11.388 --> 00:14:11.638 You have 138 00:14:11.648 --> 00:14:30.149 a job. Ok 139 00:14:30.599 --> 00:14:36.439 the next matter on the agenda is are rules and regulations so for meeting after 140 00:14:36.449 --> 00:14:39.319 meeting I have been promising that I would put together 141 00:14:39.329 --> 00:14:46.241 a draft. Set of amendments to our regulations and I have done that 142 00:14:46.811 --> 00:14:47.351 so this is 143 00:14:47.361 --> 00:14:54.153 a red line version meaning that the language that struck 144 00:14:54.163 --> 00:15:00.413 through that's the stuff which will change and all the language which. Isn't struck 145 00:15:00.423 --> 00:15:07.303 through that remained so basically this all began nearly 9 months ago when the 146 00:15:07.313 --> 00:15:12.623 Town Clerk Jim Haggerty came and asked us just to confirm what our current rules 147 00:15:12.633 --> 00:15:19.585 and regulations are. Although Craig and I looked into it confirmed 148 00:15:19.595 --> 00:15:26.286 that. Our rules and regulations. The ones that are in effect 149 00:15:26.296 --> 00:15:27.066 now are 150 00:15:27.106 --> 00:15:33.927 a series of rules that were put into place in February 2007 and 151 00:15:34.407 --> 00:15:38.327 we looked at and we looked at them to see what if anything was inaccurate in them 152 00:15:38.647 --> 00:15:44.830 and the only thing we could really see was that the chairpersons. 153 00:15:46.361 --> 00:15:52.983 Tenure was wrong in the current regulations and said that. The 154 00:15:52.993 --> 00:15:59.224 term was for basically July 1st through August 31st and I understand that 155 00:15:59.274 --> 00:16:03.294 a couple years ago that had been changed we actually do it from July 1st through 156 00:16:03.304 --> 00:16:07.484 June 30th so that's really the only change that's made here there might be one 157 00:16:07.494 --> 00:16:14.267 spelling change. Basically what I think we should 158 00:16:14.277 --> 00:16:15.087 do is just take 159 00:16:15.097 --> 00:16:21.490 a vote to affirm that. That's if if the board agrees that these are rules and 160 00:16:21.500 --> 00:16:25.270 regulations subject to that one amendment. 161 00:16:28.622 --> 00:16:32.183 But I want to open it up here for discussion 162 00:16:36.543 --> 00:16:41.213 Greg and I looked at No it's I mean it really is just more of an accurate 163 00:16:41.223 --> 00:16:47.435 reflection of how we operate so it seems pretty simple that it seems 164 00:16:47.475 --> 00:16:48.635 straightforward to me as well 165 00:16:57.045 --> 00:17:02.665 Ok so. Actually our rules and regulations say that our rules can be amended any 166 00:17:02.675 --> 00:17:06.656 time by a vote for the 5 then sitting members of the board so if we take 167 00:17:06.666 --> 00:17:11.306 a vote and as long as 4 of 5 of us approve this then these will be our rules and 168 00:17:11.316 --> 00:17:15.446 regulations and I'll work with Karen to make sure they get flat filed with the town 169 00:17:15.456 --> 00:17:21.553 clerk about the justice Oh wait. 170 00:17:28.988 --> 00:17:33.869 Why are they not because I don't I don't know what they are because they never were 171 00:17:33.959 --> 00:17:40.470 filed the. Town council Greg and I met for probably an hour 172 00:17:40.850 --> 00:17:47.062 to talk about this and we 1st thing we needed to identify is what our rules are 173 00:17:47.072 --> 00:17:52.823 rules and regulations and. These are the only rules and regulations we have we do 174 00:17:53.866 --> 00:17:58.756 in addition to this have all sorts of 4 forms that say this is the amount of money 175 00:17:58.766 --> 00:18:00.646 that you have to pay for to apply for 176 00:18:00.656 --> 00:18:04.056 a variance this is the amount of money you'll have to pay for 177 00:18:04.066 --> 00:18:10.807 a special and and those forms haven't been updated I don't think since 2007 if 178 00:18:10.817 --> 00:18:17.707 someone if we wanted to do that also I think maybe we couple people could form 179 00:18:17.717 --> 00:18:21.067 a sub committee and look into it and then just report back to the board I would be 180 00:18:21.077 --> 00:18:27.809 in favor of that but we're not voting on that also meant that. With 181 00:18:28.809 --> 00:18:34.850 plan I don't believe that there. To discuss these issues which that was probably. 182 00:18:36.090 --> 00:18:37.980 All of these other. The 183 00:18:37.990 --> 00:18:44.620 a pool we did they would have that. So they could I think that's still that's 184 00:18:44.890 --> 00:18:47.250 probably done that not that I think it's 185 00:18:47.260 --> 00:18:50.960 a good idea for the forms to have the building inspector of view them but these 186 00:18:51.010 --> 00:18:57.422 rules are just very basic rules about you know. 187 00:18:59.013 --> 00:19:03.993 What the chairpersons term is so I don't see there's any need for Mark to weigh on 188 00:19:04.003 --> 00:19:09.873 when it's. Ok but when I think with the others 189 00:19:12.116 --> 00:19:18.576 I think it's but I. Think we can go forward the other stuff afterwards this 190 00:19:18.586 --> 00:19:23.706 is this is what's recorded with the clerk this needs to be updated to reflect what 191 00:19:23.716 --> 00:19:30.626 we do. That's what this is and that's it. The other forms the stuff that 192 00:19:30.636 --> 00:19:35.098 involves Mark I think Andrew's right we form a subcommittee we take 193 00:19:35.108 --> 00:19:39.729 a look at it we get his input we make sure the forms are correct for this day and 194 00:19:39.739 --> 00:19:42.229 age and we'll deal with that in 195 00:19:42.239 --> 00:19:48.191 a 2nd component Ok but just I think it was 196 00:19:48.201 --> 00:19:54.062 a question just just to clarify what I know has already been said so the only thing 197 00:19:54.072 --> 00:20:00.994 that's actually being changed or updated here is the is the dates. And the 198 00:20:01.004 --> 00:20:04.616 one misspelling it superseded the 3 Ok 199 00:20:07.937 --> 00:20:14.642 if I think it happens Ok I'm colorblind. I take offense to that because. 200 00:20:17.574 --> 00:20:23.564 I move that we approve the updated rules and regulations for the Board of Appeals 201 00:20:24.084 --> 00:20:30.569 as presented to us so I can always in favor write all those 202 00:20:30.579 --> 00:20:37.012 a post Ok and then the next thing we can accomplish before 203 00:20:37.912 --> 00:20:41.942 baseball tennis relights is minutes maybe. 204 00:20:55.951 --> 00:21:01.485 I didn't see anything wrong on the 18th or at that. Time but yeah. 205 00:21:11.210 --> 00:21:13.690 Well I have some I have some that it's 206 00:21:31.232 --> 00:21:37.932 so of the for the 1st was I think on both of the minutes you have Jeff as 207 00:21:37.972 --> 00:21:43.853 absent but I think he was present for one or one of these meetings and so remember 208 00:21:46.644 --> 00:21:53.027 this was this was the last meeting I don't believe was in 209 00:21:53.037 --> 00:21:59.380 attendance and I didn't come for the 25th I thought I thought he was here on the 210 00:21:59.390 --> 00:22:05.472 18th though thing lightly and I don't think it's been that long since from blast 211 00:22:05.512 --> 00:22:11.852 Jeff here to get our song last 3 meetings right I think he came on Ok all right 212 00:22:11.862 --> 00:22:15.002 Imani 18 but he didn't stay because everyone was here. 213 00:22:19.073 --> 00:22:22.403 And he didn't know when I go for them for they hear about nothing when I do it 214 00:22:22.413 --> 00:22:26.153 right now but he came and saw that we're all here and this was the only. 215 00:22:34.116 --> 00:22:39.929 It wasn't just he was he was definitely here for one but I think Greg might be 216 00:22:39.939 --> 00:22:44.390 right that he was here and yeah. Yeah. 217 00:22:47.864 --> 00:22:52.944 Yeah I almost want to say that I think he was here but the only thing on the docket 218 00:22:52.954 --> 00:22:57.414 that evening was to extend Park Central News that's sitting on that so I think he 219 00:22:57.424 --> 00:23:02.884 left them so if you give him credit for being here and leaving your home and you're 220 00:23:02.894 --> 00:23:09.857 just piece present right now yeah. So I think we should mark him present as I mean 221 00:23:09.867 --> 00:23:16.857 the 18th do you want me to try to text him quickly Ok yeah because I can and then 222 00:23:16.947 --> 00:23:17.427 I just got 223 00:23:17.437 --> 00:23:24.077 a couple spelling things think. On the 1st page preceding should be proceeding 224 00:23:25.398 --> 00:23:31.328 on the bottom on September 20th plenty Word file there certificate of extension of 225 00:23:32.061 --> 00:23:35.202 I guess that's Ok to keep out of. 226 00:23:40.510 --> 00:23:45.372 If you have it you have it twice on the 1st page right Andrew the proceeding Yeah 227 00:23:45.482 --> 00:23:51.524 point is it right see it twice it's you know it's incorrect twice for p.r. 228 00:23:51.534 --> 00:23:54.376 All right. And should be too easy. 229 00:24:03.642 --> 00:24:10.534 Other than that it's pretty minor yeah just got some spelling 230 00:24:10.544 --> 00:24:15.956 stuff like complete van on page 3 or 6 bam 231 00:24:18.516 --> 00:24:24.856 there. Morris' discussed site plan approval process in an effort to keep the 232 00:24:24.866 --> 00:24:31.367 application moving instead of if and effort. There 233 00:24:31.767 --> 00:24:33.747 still step statutory s. 234 00:24:33.757 --> 00:24:40.248 $8080.00 u t. U t o 235 00:24:40.368 --> 00:24:46.579 r y. Make 236 00:24:46.589 --> 00:24:53.141 a motion that we have to put you way 237 00:24:54.151 --> 00:25:00.573 that's as amended without 70 did did we amended that Jeff was present. 238 00:25:01.954 --> 00:25:05.534 I'm going to wait it may be going to call me 20 odd because I sent of 239 00:25:05.544 --> 00:25:11.236 a no done on of all of this we're going to approve the 25th and we can approve them 240 00:25:11.246 --> 00:25:15.217 as amended and depending on what that is just as a made 241 00:25:15.227 --> 00:25:22.200 a motion for that's. Done I believe he was 242 00:25:22.210 --> 00:25:28.082 present I think are you writing us present in the new president and for the group 243 00:25:28.212 --> 00:25:32.754 that are right because that's all we do is going in and that was that so so I mean 244 00:25:32.764 --> 00:25:38.035 I guess could we and should we amended to say that he was present not absent or not 245 00:25:38.405 --> 00:25:41.405 yeah that Ok Ok so they only had a 246 00:25:41.685 --> 00:25:48.546 a motion pending which was to approve the minutes and as amended in the 2nd that 247 00:25:48.986 --> 00:25:55.428 and that includes that amendment Yes Ok I am in favor. Favor all those against 248 00:25:56.910 --> 00:25:58.960 that there's another set of minutes. 249 00:26:14.104 --> 00:26:14.774 Having issues with. 250 00:26:30.514 --> 00:26:32.904 I don't see any problem with these new make 251 00:26:32.914 --> 00:26:38.590 a motion to approve the minutes from January 25th. And all those in favor. 252 00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:45.471 All those against So we now have to wait until 8 o'clock Moshe's 253 00:26:48.773 --> 00:26:53.395 5 seconds I was there. 254 00:26:59.768 --> 00:27:01.498 But I forgot it happened so quickly. 255 01:00:22.712 --> 01:00:29.148 Oh my God. I'm just. Ok. 256 01:00:30.220 --> 01:00:33.841 Good evening everyone. We dealt with 257 01:00:33.851 --> 01:00:38.911 a couple matters earlier tonight and the next item on the agenda is the continued 258 01:00:38.921 --> 01:00:44.961 public hearing on the variance application for the. Baseball field lights at George 259 01:00:44.971 --> 01:00:50.474 Mooney park and we didn't come to a decision at the last meeting we heard 260 01:00:50.484 --> 01:00:56.024 a presentation by the applicant from from the recreation department and also 261 01:00:56.034 --> 01:01:00.014 Southborough you baseball were also heard from several The 262 01:01:00.024 --> 01:01:06.227 a better. I want to let everyone know that one of the issues that we identify the 263 01:01:06.237 --> 01:01:12.669 last hearing was that the application the recreation department filed said. They 264 01:01:12.679 --> 01:01:13.159 were seeking 265 01:01:13.169 --> 01:01:19.600 a variance to go up 60 up to 60 feet but then you look at the plans and some of the 266 01:01:19.610 --> 01:01:24.440 polls were actually going up 70 feet so to to deal with that and correct any 267 01:01:24.920 --> 01:01:31.890 defects in the the notice. I think Doreen So you sent out that 268 01:01:32.210 --> 01:01:37.550 she basically Republic the whole notice so that. People on the borders less 269 01:01:37.560 --> 01:01:39.490 forgotten notice of 270 01:01:39.500 --> 01:01:46.070 a rehearing with the going up to 70 feet and so just as kind of 271 01:01:46.080 --> 01:01:53.030 a formality I'd like Karen to read in that new public hearing. The Board of Appeals 272 01:01:53.040 --> 01:01:55.760 for the town of salt borough will hold a public hearing in the Thomas j. 273 01:01:55.770 --> 01:02:00.560 McAuliffe hearing room of cell proton how the 17 common street on Wednesday 274 01:02:00.570 --> 01:02:07.070 February 15th 2017 at 8 pm with regard to the petition of cell for recreation 21 275 01:02:07.080 --> 01:02:11.551 Highland Street cell borough mass a 1772 the petitioner seeking 276 01:02:11.561 --> 01:02:16.721 a variance to install outdoor lumination at the Georgia park pole height of 60 to 277 01:02:16.731 --> 01:02:23.071 70 feet relief is requested pursuant to Section $174.00 dash 121 age 278 01:02:23.951 --> 01:02:26.751 pictures shall not exceed height limitation and chart 279 01:02:27.181 --> 01:02:30.681 a copy of the application may be reviewed at the office of the building department 280 01:02:30.731 --> 01:02:36.241 located at 9 quotable road math Jory during normal business hours and you are 281 01:02:36.251 --> 01:02:41.153 getting to thank you so I understand there was a 282 01:02:41.323 --> 01:02:48.204 a meeting. And I know. It's Jim and I think we should read 283 01:02:48.214 --> 01:02:54.700 the letter from John calander that was submitted to us on the 12th we've got 284 01:02:54.970 --> 01:03:00.870 4 of the us letters what I think so the board knows we've got we've got to see 285 01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:06.890 letters of support there's 4 of them. I would rather not read in all of them just 286 01:03:06.900 --> 01:03:10.670 because they're It would take a lot of time we've done this before is when we have 287 01:03:10.680 --> 01:03:13.950 a lot of letters of support I can just tell you who wrote in the letters and kind 288 01:03:13.960 --> 01:03:17.250 of summarize them. In there's 289 01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:22.550 a couple different ways I think what I'd like to hear was how the meetings would be 290 01:03:22.560 --> 01:03:29.240 about as well and I know Mr Schaeffer Yes. Someone wants to speak to that we could 291 01:03:29.510 --> 01:03:33.952 1st hear that information then and then we can read in these letters or at least 292 01:03:33.962 --> 01:03:38.292 note who who they were in that the the Senate approval yes they have. 293 01:03:41.795 --> 01:03:48.255 The ethics did you get copies of all these letter it's there letters of support. I 294 01:03:48.265 --> 01:03:49.825 can you can take my copies 295 01:03:55.627 --> 01:04:02.301 if you want to look at the while he. So Mr surfer you want to you know 296 01:04:02.311 --> 01:04:07.011 brain short for in 79 out of road and chair of the Recreation Commission so after 297 01:04:07.021 --> 01:04:12.481 the last hearing that we had here we did sit in on 298 01:04:12.491 --> 01:04:18.911 a public forum meeting between the. I guess in attendance was members of 299 01:04:19.411 --> 01:04:23.271 baseball and the concerned neighbors in 300 01:04:23.281 --> 01:04:29.071 a butters to the moon and field and couple of the selectmen were there. 301 01:04:30.891 --> 01:04:31.731 And I think there was 302 01:04:31.741 --> 01:04:38.451 a very fruitful discussion regarding policies that needed to be in place in order 303 01:04:38.461 --> 01:04:45.351 to. Have an acceptable acceptable use of the field with the 304 01:04:45.361 --> 01:04:51.911 lights certainly not everyone was still in favor of having lights there but if they 305 01:04:51.921 --> 01:04:58.381 did have to be there they seemed to be accepting of the policies that were 306 01:04:58.421 --> 01:05:05.301 established. After the meeting baseball formed in 307 01:05:05.371 --> 01:05:10.731 working with recreation formed policies regarding scheduling when the lights would 308 01:05:10.741 --> 01:05:17.491 shut off. Points of contact during the season believe all of you have copies of the 309 01:05:17.501 --> 01:05:23.702 proposed policy. So when the lights would go off contacts during the season. 310 01:05:26.292 --> 01:05:31.972 How the field could be used with lights and how the the use would not be expanded 311 01:05:32.042 --> 01:05:38.794 without coming back to the zoning board. Things like that so if. 312 01:05:39.781 --> 01:05:43.061 Any of these things that are in the policy that are sent to you are not necessarily 313 01:05:43.071 --> 01:05:45.611 under your purview and can't be in 314 01:05:45.621 --> 01:05:51.021 a decision they would we are going also to the Planning Board which may be able to 315 01:05:51.031 --> 01:05:55.631 incorporate some of those things and they would also be in the baseball permit 316 01:05:55.641 --> 01:06:02.591 issued by recreation they'd all be listed there so. I think that's the 317 01:06:02.601 --> 01:06:07.421 basic summary of what happened then I think it was very well received by everyone I 318 01:06:07.431 --> 01:06:12.953 was involved and there actually is 319 01:06:12.963 --> 01:06:19.853 a. Proposed draft light policy that was submitted to us I think would be beneficial 320 01:06:19.893 --> 01:06:23.703 care and if you could just read that into the record so I wrote the hearing knows 321 01:06:23.873 --> 01:06:27.013 what we're talking about and I think that's what Mr Schorr from his talking about 322 01:06:27.023 --> 01:06:32.053 the proposed policy for money field lights lighting schedule Sunday through 323 01:06:32.063 --> 01:06:38.855 Thursday actually wanted to begin with just. 2 Zoning Board of 324 01:06:38.865 --> 01:06:44.875 Appeals from sell for Recreation Commission Brian Shifrin chair Doreen Ferguson 325 01:06:44.925 --> 01:06:51.575 recreation director February 13th 2017 on January 31st 2017 the Recreation 326 01:06:51.585 --> 01:06:55.675 Commission sell for Little League in the abiders to the money field in Richardson 327 01:06:55.685 --> 01:07:00.425 tennis courts met also in attendance were 2 members from the Board of Selectmen Mrs 328 01:07:00.435 --> 01:07:02.305 Stanhope and Mr Kalinda as 329 01:07:02.315 --> 01:07:06.785 a result draft policies were created and shared via email with the appropriate 330 01:07:06.795 --> 01:07:11.765 letters to the only field in the tennis court one response was received from Mrs 331 01:07:11.775 --> 01:07:16.565 fan of and her suggestions were incorporated the policy stated below still need to 332 01:07:16.575 --> 01:07:23.511 be reviewed and accepted by the Recreation Commission. Lighting schedule 333 01:07:23.561 --> 01:07:30.101 Sunday through Thursday off at 9 pm Friday and Saturday at 9 30 pm any changes of 334 01:07:30.111 --> 01:07:32.531 the proposed lighting schedule would require a new z.b. 335 01:07:32.541 --> 01:07:38.331 a Or planning approval hearing the Mooney Major's diamond is for baseball ages 12 336 01:07:38.341 --> 01:07:42.811 and under and will not be expanded to accommodate other older children no 337 01:07:42.821 --> 01:07:46.371 additional lighting will be added to Mooney field to accommodate any players under 338 01:07:46.381 --> 01:07:52.601 the age of 12 or older without approval hearing tournaments may not be held using 339 01:07:52.611 --> 01:07:58.732 the lights provided that has disappeared it is an action may be held. Tournaments 340 01:07:58.742 --> 01:08:02.152 may be held to using the lights provided that salt has participants in the 341 01:08:02.162 --> 01:08:04.382 tournament if parking becomes an issue 342 01:08:04.422 --> 01:08:10.165 a police detail would be required at the cost of the user points of contact will be 343 01:08:10.545 --> 01:08:14.015 provided to ensure that lights are turned off when not in use if 344 01:08:14.025 --> 01:08:17.715 a butter's do have contact information they may call the police department for 345 01:08:17.725 --> 01:08:21.955 assistance if this becomes an issue the recreation department in youth baseball 346 01:08:21.965 --> 01:08:23.915 will review this policy with the 347 01:08:23.925 --> 01:08:27.785 a butter's slash neighborhood along with members of the board of selectmen in the 348 01:08:27.795 --> 01:08:31.045 police chief announcer speakers must be kept at 349 01:08:31.055 --> 01:08:37.015 a reasonable despoil level lights shall not be used for practice after 9 pm I soon 350 01:08:37.936 --> 01:08:42.306 the commission reserves the possibility to use lights for residence only birthday 351 01:08:42.316 --> 01:08:44.976 parties Recreation Commission will host 352 01:08:44.986 --> 01:08:50.559 a mid seizing meeting with the neighborhood to resolve any issues proposed policy 353 01:08:50.569 --> 01:08:54.620 for tennis court lights the tennis court lights will have 354 01:08:54.630 --> 01:08:58.300 a push button system allowing the lights to turn on for 355 01:08:58.310 --> 01:09:02.920 a set period of time once the lights are approaching that set times the user can 356 01:09:02.930 --> 01:09:06.150 press the button again. And get 357 01:09:06.160 --> 01:09:10.160 a great point but it's one document the deals with the baseball the tennis or we're 358 01:09:10.170 --> 01:09:11.020 going have a somewhat of 359 01:09:11.030 --> 01:09:17.621 a separate hearing on Thomas So that covers the baseball right correct Ok And 360 01:09:17.891 --> 01:09:24.110 we also did receive letters of support. From I think I counted for people's 361 01:09:24.230 --> 01:09:30.769 selectman Dan Columbus sent an e-mail in support John Karoly Patrick 362 01:09:31.289 --> 01:09:37.489 Cody and can tree hob and rather than read all these letters in verbatim I can just 363 01:09:37.529 --> 01:09:41.499 so everyone knows what the points were made basically the points in favor are of 364 01:09:41.509 --> 01:09:46.139 helps to find coaches because people work in Boston gives people time to get back 365 01:09:46.740 --> 01:09:52.500 if we can have later games the games go about 2 hours because of there's sometimes 366 01:09:52.510 --> 01:09:57.870 not very good pitching the games go on longer than they ordinarily would safety 367 01:09:57.880 --> 01:10:03.572 Baseball's not safe after dark helps the silted practice time helps 368 01:10:04.843 --> 01:10:09.703 supper you spaceball host tournaments and that the impact on the neighbors could be 369 01:10:09.713 --> 01:10:10.833 mitigated by having 370 01:10:10.843 --> 01:10:18.535 a cut off time that about fair so 371 01:10:20.845 --> 01:10:25.635 this one of the things you guys want to open it up to what's your Shifrin or we 372 01:10:25.645 --> 01:10:30.066 could have hear from Doreen so. 373 01:10:32.297 --> 01:10:37.377 The policies that are here that was the direct result of the back and forth with 374 01:10:37.387 --> 01:10:43.069 the about hers and this was through that meeting most of what I mean I'm assuming 375 01:10:43.079 --> 01:10:47.020 not everything can beat agreed upon but this is the representation of where 376 01:10:47.030 --> 01:10:53.033 everybody kind of stood at the end of it and you know thought it was good for where 377 01:10:53.043 --> 01:10:58.973 we're at you know the the policies were the result of I believe all of the concerns 378 01:10:58.983 --> 01:11:05.851 that were brought up at the meeting. I 379 01:11:05.861 --> 01:11:12.091 do think of the concerns were addressed in these policies. Like I said I think from 380 01:11:12.101 --> 01:11:16.371 what I've heard some people at the end of the day would prefer that there were no 381 01:11:16.381 --> 01:11:20.371 lights so I can't say I would not I don't think would be accurate to say that 382 01:11:20.381 --> 01:11:24.561 everybody left there happy with the fact the lights were going in but I think all 383 01:11:24.571 --> 01:11:28.981 of the concerns that were raised are addressed in those lighting policies there 384 01:11:28.991 --> 01:11:35.471 were some additional things regarding landscaping fencing aesthetics in general of 385 01:11:35.511 --> 01:11:39.791 the complex and I can say from the recreation side of it I have 386 01:11:40.041 --> 01:11:46.311 a strong interest in. Following up on those and seeing that baseball is doing 387 01:11:46.321 --> 01:11:53.191 everything that it can. To address those concerns this season so we'll be working 388 01:11:53.201 --> 01:11:55.001 on that I don't think it's really part of 389 01:11:55.011 --> 01:11:58.831 a light policy or could be under this but that those would be the only additional 390 01:11:58.841 --> 01:12:04.342 things that I think came from that meeting baseball then after the meeting broke 391 01:12:04.352 --> 01:12:10.642 those up with the help of recreation. I think baseball was actually more 392 01:12:10.682 --> 01:12:17.644 restrictive on themselves than recreation was just saying they should be and 393 01:12:17.654 --> 01:12:24.094 then those were sent to the So I mean that attended and the neighbors and as 394 01:12:24.104 --> 01:12:29.024 indicated there was one response back to us from 395 01:12:29.034 --> 01:12:34.445 a selectman and those are incorporated in there Ok I agree that I think the 396 01:12:34.455 --> 01:12:41.356 landscape you know is part of life yes and the other questions we can 397 01:12:41.366 --> 01:12:46.748 continue the conversation as we go Doreen do you want to. 398 01:12:50.190 --> 01:12:56.874 And then I'd also like to hear from the. What would your view is on this and also 399 01:12:56.884 --> 01:12:59.924 Mrs Fanning if you want to comment on this as well. 400 01:13:08.140 --> 01:13:10.640 Again Bonnie fan of I tended as 401 01:13:10.650 --> 01:13:16.410 a resident not as Board of Selectmen and my responses to the recreation was signed 402 01:13:16.490 --> 01:13:17.640 just fine Bonnie not 403 01:13:17.650 --> 01:13:24.610 a select person most of my comments were incorporated into the policy so 404 01:13:24.620 --> 01:13:28.920 I think the members of the baseball My concern was that it was going to end up 405 01:13:28.960 --> 01:13:34.010 growing into something that the neighbors would not. Feel that they had any 406 01:13:34.740 --> 01:13:40.090 recourse because the approval would be so vague so I have to say thank you again 407 01:13:41.351 --> 01:13:42.701 there seems to be 408 01:13:43.011 --> 01:13:49.102 a lack of concern about parking I was down there this evening and I can count 50 409 01:13:49.112 --> 01:13:53.682 parking spaces in the field not counting the school parking directly around the 410 01:13:53.692 --> 01:13:59.284 school how many participants would be at again during a turn over 411 01:13:59.294 --> 01:14:05.726 a period that you could keep the parking on site body of an idea. 412 01:14:11.247 --> 01:14:17.737 So Paul Seacrest $46.00 overlooked drive. So in terms of number that's tough. 413 01:14:19.017 --> 01:14:25.187 You know there's 5 fields down there you know the chance that they're all being 414 01:14:25.197 --> 01:14:29.607 played on same time is no I guess the point that I want to make is the lights 415 01:14:29.647 --> 01:14:36.549 lighting this one field isn't going to increase traffic beyond what's currently 416 01:14:36.559 --> 01:14:41.209 there because at the time these lights come on none of the other fields would be 417 01:14:41.219 --> 01:14:47.249 getting played on and so it extend it will extend the cars coming into our parking 418 01:14:47.259 --> 01:14:53.570 you know in our parking lot for that extra time for that game but the other cars in 419 01:14:53.580 --> 01:14:58.240 fields will not be in you at the time so are so when the lights are on the. 420 01:15:00.471 --> 01:15:04.411 What you're stating is the other fields will not be utilized during that period 421 01:15:05.091 --> 01:15:09.161 correct I'm not concerned about the traffic the traffic's are already there how are 422 01:15:09.171 --> 01:15:12.921 you going to park the vehicles that may be coming to the fields so they're not 423 01:15:12.931 --> 01:15:17.521 disturbing the residents tournaments I know nothing about baseball even though my 424 01:15:17.531 --> 01:15:24.401 grandchildren but. Is that still the students of the under 12 do they 425 01:15:24.411 --> 01:15:31.111 arrive in buses or how do they get there when you need bus parking on site now or 426 01:15:31.121 --> 01:15:37.961 what now that's that's us parents. You know we all participate all of our teams 427 01:15:37.971 --> 01:15:41.941 participate in tournaments in the summer and it's good sometimes you'll carpool 428 01:15:41.951 --> 01:15:46.071 with you know and take 3 or 4 the kids but now it's it's not that well organized 429 01:15:46.511 --> 01:15:51.601 I'd like to get Southborough recreation or south for a little aid to buy 430 01:15:51.611 --> 01:15:57.201 a boss but I don't think that's going to happen I'm not suggesting that. I don't 431 01:15:57.211 --> 01:15:57.901 think we can make that 432 01:15:57.911 --> 01:16:02.641 a condition but I'm not suggesting that either yeah it's just parents as 433 01:16:02.651 --> 01:16:08.841 a nurse the hours my understanding of that meeting Monday Sunday to Thursday to 9 434 01:16:08.851 --> 01:16:15.723 pm The concern was. More Monday to Thursday 435 01:16:15.913 --> 01:16:21.625 to 9 pm Sunday being a school night so I don't know if that's 436 01:16:21.635 --> 01:16:27.105 a misunderstanding or something you're going to cut back on so that it was Monday 437 01:16:27.145 --> 01:16:33.317 to Thursday at the games. I 438 01:16:33.807 --> 01:16:37.767 actually read this is so Sunday to through Sunday through Thursday is all of the 439 01:16:37.777 --> 01:16:44.740 school nights Friday and Saturday not so much are the shorter tights. So Friday 440 01:16:44.750 --> 01:16:47.830 night and Saturday night they can go to 930 but every night where 441 01:16:47.840 --> 01:16:52.892 a kid at school the next day it was me but I died Sunday was included in that 442 01:16:52.902 --> 01:16:53.452 because it was 443 01:16:53.462 --> 01:17:00.330 a Sunday yes because the kids would be going to school the next morning. So 444 01:17:00.340 --> 01:17:03.550 Sunday through Thursday I see that but I thought it was going to be earlier on 445 01:17:03.560 --> 01:17:08.610 Sunday for some reason you're closing it down before 9 that everyone would be out 446 01:17:08.620 --> 01:17:15.502 of there by 9 on Sunday evening could be my misunderstanding. 447 01:17:16.994 --> 01:17:21.054 As far as the lights are not technical however I have been watching the 448 01:17:21.064 --> 01:17:23.404 installation all to hear them there twice 449 01:17:23.414 --> 01:17:28.646 a day the grade of the property is about 5 feet below street level 450 01:17:30.597 --> 01:17:34.077 if you're driving down part of the road you live across the street from the field 451 01:17:34.367 --> 01:17:40.860 the insulation of the lights 5 feet below grade the base the cement things. 452 01:17:42.260 --> 01:17:49.204 Does that reduce the height of the lights visually from the street level 453 01:17:50.644 --> 01:17:57.526 and I make any sense I'm not an engineer. Right I 454 01:17:57.536 --> 01:18:02.206 think you're right that that from the street the height will appear lower because 455 01:18:02.216 --> 01:18:07.617 you're 5 feet up so the glare would be closer to 456 01:18:07.627 --> 01:18:13.387 a residential property 2nd floor window from the light 457 01:18:14.788 --> 01:18:21.749 you bring in the light down. Looking out my window I'd be likely to see more of the 458 01:18:21.759 --> 01:18:27.579 light from the. Fixture itself then if it was higher than my house it 459 01:18:28.509 --> 01:18:34.389 means that might be the mean so this would be something the Moscow and would would 460 01:18:34.519 --> 01:18:39.429 have an answer to I guess we don't know that I don't think any of us know that I 461 01:18:39.439 --> 01:18:43.389 think I do know that when they measure that they do measure it like 4 feet above 462 01:18:43.399 --> 01:18:47.669 the ground but yeah I guess in theory with the look of lights being 463 01:18:47.679 --> 01:18:54.665 a bit lower. Yeah I can answer I'm not sure as I noticed just recently 464 01:18:54.675 --> 01:18:59.797 the 2nd satellites on the poles have been put out here as a top set in 465 01:18:59.807 --> 01:19:06.507 a couple along with we talking the same will see 2 sets of lights on the poles so 466 01:19:06.517 --> 01:19:10.217 that I think the 2nd one is here on day to shoot the backside I have no idea the 467 01:19:10.227 --> 01:19:16.521 mascot for the basketball court. Yeah the 2nd satellites are for basketball and or 468 01:19:16.521 --> 01:19:22.721 . For the smaller soccer field can you hear to the side so those can be 469 01:19:23.201 --> 01:19:28.631 lit from 40 feet where is the field is lit from 70 feet 470 01:19:31.132 --> 01:19:35.472 Well again I want to thank you for listening to the residents the night that I was 471 01:19:35.482 --> 01:19:38.732 there corporate pretty much everything I suggested 472 01:19:38.842 --> 01:19:44.352 a little more I appreciate as well I would personally like to wait till these 473 01:19:44.362 --> 01:19:46.402 lights go on so that we get 474 01:19:46.412 --> 01:19:52.683 a visual. Impact of what it's going to look like I think that's only fair to the 475 01:19:52.693 --> 01:19:53.543 community as 476 01:19:53.553 --> 01:19:57.873 a whole whether you live next door to park No I don't but I think I would like to 477 01:19:57.883 --> 01:20:01.733 see what it looks like this for you put up another set misspent are you talking 478 01:20:01.743 --> 01:20:08.013 about the field lights Yes Ok when is that going to happen I have no idea. It's 479 01:20:08.023 --> 01:20:14.303 like to see them go on as soon as possible to. Send e-mails today Karen. 480 01:20:15.413 --> 01:20:16.543 At the t.v. W. 481 01:20:16.553 --> 01:20:23.263 Is kind of the. Ordination person or contact with the contractor that's in song 482 01:20:23.273 --> 01:20:29.833 it's I'm trying to get an update. Of the lights are in. They just need to be the 483 01:20:29.843 --> 01:20:36.514 trenching needs to be done and and the wiring between them so I think the other 484 01:20:36.524 --> 01:20:39.734 thing the comment I'd like to make there is if it were going to be 485 01:20:39.744 --> 01:20:45.324 a direct apples to apples comparison you know that it would be more valid there's 486 01:20:45.334 --> 01:20:49.984 more light poles there at different heights there's different number of fixtures on 487 01:20:49.994 --> 01:20:51.734 each pole it's lighting 488 01:20:51.744 --> 01:20:57.164 a bigger area than we're going to be lighting so there's just our differences that 489 01:20:57.304 --> 01:21:00.444 would make it I think a little bit tough to make 490 01:21:00.454 --> 01:21:06.014 a comparison like that but I get I see where we also need to go with after the 491 01:21:06.024 --> 01:21:11.164 neighborhood discussion and these meetings we also have to go with the o.e. D. 492 01:21:11.334 --> 01:21:18.151 Option. At the Moonie field which would be less intrusive by far both 493 01:21:18.161 --> 01:21:24.951 glare and seeing the the light on the neighbors. And I'm obviously not 494 01:21:24.961 --> 01:21:29.781 a Moscow person but just from all my meetings with them out try to answer those 495 01:21:29.791 --> 01:21:34.311 questions about the height difference the height would have easily be from the 496 01:21:34.321 --> 01:21:40.252 field not the road and I think it benefits the neighbors because 497 01:21:40.972 --> 01:21:47.694 lowering if you are talking about lowering the pole relative to the field then you 498 01:21:47.704 --> 01:21:54.504 would have less shielding or more aiming up but the height to the field is 499 01:21:54.544 --> 01:21:59.064 staying where it's supposed to be so more the lights are still shielded where they 500 01:21:59.074 --> 01:22:05.924 can be and pointed down as much as they can be so looking at the lights I can 501 01:22:05.934 --> 01:22:12.836 tell you that the engineering that we used accounts for the elevation and I think 502 01:22:12.846 --> 01:22:18.086 the numbers on the 2nd story given that the actual fixture is 5 feet lower is 503 01:22:18.096 --> 01:22:23.088 actually better for those neighbors because that's 504 01:22:23.098 --> 01:22:27.998 a follow up on that because I think at the 1st hearing Mr Barlinnie asked about are 505 01:22:28.008 --> 01:22:29.048 these are these l 506 01:22:29.058 --> 01:22:32.618 e D's in the mosque of Representatives and they're not so and it's not in the 507 01:22:32.628 --> 01:22:39.070 policy that. So is that another thing that you would want that would mitigate the 508 01:22:39.080 --> 01:22:41.390 impact on the neighbors to have held and we d. 509 01:22:41.400 --> 01:22:45.650 Instead of one other of the formal like yeah when we originally did this number of 510 01:22:45.660 --> 01:22:49.560 reasons we weren't towing we weren't looking at o.e. D. 511 01:22:50.090 --> 01:22:54.940 And it was this the suggestion or the question if you would benefit the neighbors 512 01:22:55.390 --> 01:23:02.340 and the answer you know was by far it would. Enough for mil you're 513 01:23:02.350 --> 01:23:08.150 with the units but you know Claire on the neighboring properties across the street 514 01:23:08.540 --> 01:23:15.190 the ability to see the ball was in the 30250000 range whatever the units are 515 01:23:15.460 --> 01:23:19.780 on their schematic when we change that we did see it was like 516 01:23:19.840 --> 01:23:26.830 502303500 units in that ballpark so. It 517 01:23:26.840 --> 01:23:32.771 was an increased cost that was already addressed with. C.p.c. 518 01:23:32.781 --> 01:23:33.121 Were 519 01:23:33.161 --> 01:23:37.541 a lot of this money is coming from and that's the avenue that we've chosen to take 520 01:23:37.781 --> 01:23:42.212 if. If you want that to be part of the policy you could certainly be part of the 521 01:23:42.222 --> 01:23:48.814 policy it's it's the way we're going and if you just what the cost versus 522 01:23:48.824 --> 01:23:51.134 savings when you think of l.e.d.s. 523 01:23:51.144 --> 01:23:56.254 a More efficient light it just the numbers really weren't there but it's consistent 524 01:23:56.264 --> 01:24:03.201 with our town green policy and it will be better for the neighbors. I think 525 01:24:03.211 --> 01:24:08.611 and what Mrs fan it states about watching the lights down he had lit is the fact 526 01:24:08.621 --> 01:24:09.811 that it's going to light 527 01:24:09.821 --> 01:24:14.691 a big field but we'll be able to look at those lights and see what the exterior 528 01:24:14.701 --> 01:24:18.781 lighting would be because those lights are going to be just like these lights in 529 01:24:18.791 --> 01:24:25.231 the late it's going to stay inside of the area and not go outside the area and that 530 01:24:25.241 --> 01:24:30.281 was discussed at the last meeting that we had that it would be that way and that's 531 01:24:30.291 --> 01:24:34.651 why I had asked back then about when these lights would go on so we could look at 532 01:24:34.661 --> 01:24:40.762 these lights and see them and see you know what goes behind the poles which the guy 533 01:24:40.772 --> 01:24:45.622 that was here the did the light said that everything stays inside the poles so we 534 01:24:45.632 --> 01:24:51.372 could watch them and see it so I think this is fantasy recommendation of waiting to 535 01:24:51.382 --> 01:24:53.342 see those lights 1st would be 536 01:24:53.542 --> 01:24:56.462 a good recommendation I think sir you have you want to make 537 01:24:56.472 --> 01:25:01.202 a comment on that if the user use the microphone introduce yourself I was walking 538 01:25:01.212 --> 01:25:05.732 up just that I don't think there's any way these lights would be even started 539 01:25:05.742 --> 01:25:10.942 before those lights are on I think I think we're close enough to having those 540 01:25:10.952 --> 01:25:17.202 lights on and we will see that and I'll just add that again it's going to be if 541 01:25:17.212 --> 01:25:23.322 there is any spill which hopefully there isn't much it's going to be fractions less 542 01:25:23.832 --> 01:25:30.442 moony because of the id versus what's going on if you take Chodas example and see 543 01:25:30.452 --> 01:25:34.912 whatever the spill is there it's going to be much less moon 544 01:25:37.384 --> 01:25:39.634 so you want to turn the economy you know you're in 545 01:25:39.644 --> 01:25:44.684 a major controversy and enjoy it you know I also thought it wasn't I thought the 546 01:25:44.694 --> 01:25:51.355 lights were actually 10 feet taller but there are 80 not 70 because that's 547 01:25:51.365 --> 01:25:54.335 a bigger area they're trying to cover Yeah and you know and some of those are 548 01:25:54.345 --> 01:26:00.017 already installed already installed at Cho but are they but there are 5 not hooked 549 01:26:00.027 --> 01:26:06.230 up and there's more there. Like right right razor I mean wonders one thing that's 550 01:26:06.240 --> 01:26:09.830 important to keep in mind is that your you are talking about talking 10 feet tall 551 01:26:09.840 --> 01:26:16.760 or to stand off 11 other thing I'm very sensitive to emergency vehicles 552 01:26:16.770 --> 01:26:21.690 for some of you who are unaware I come from emergency family whether it be police 553 01:26:21.700 --> 01:26:27.231 or fire or others in the past when the fences went up I had the fire chief drive 554 01:26:27.241 --> 01:26:31.971 down there to make sure the Witts was there so that the ambulances could get into 555 01:26:31.981 --> 01:26:35.971 the field to help out whatever needs to be done and that was achieved with the 556 01:26:35.981 --> 01:26:39.821 cooperation of both groups and the fire chiefs It also is 557 01:26:39.831 --> 01:26:45.641 a landing zone for some of you that on aware of it it's for you Mass Medical or 558 01:26:45.651 --> 01:26:47.651 even Boston med flight I have 559 01:26:47.661 --> 01:26:54.123 a family member that works with that organization as well the ambulances are the 560 01:26:54.133 --> 01:27:00.173 air ambulances now are very large I went to the fire chief after your meeting and I 561 01:27:00.183 --> 01:27:05.343 asked him to follow up with life flight and med flight and have 562 01:27:05.353 --> 01:27:12.233 a letter written by both not his letter but from them that they can land safely and 563 01:27:12.243 --> 01:27:16.943 that they can leave the area because they drift and without hitting any one of your 564 01:27:16.953 --> 01:27:23.405 light poles so I don't know if that happened very very sorry. 565 01:27:24.666 --> 01:27:31.606 I did get an email from the chief that he did get. The Ok from those 566 01:27:31.616 --> 01:27:37.906 groups but not the official letter from the group he would keep said everything's 567 01:27:37.916 --> 01:27:43.516 good but not for All right so if this is approved and I would pass it it's approved 568 01:27:43.526 --> 01:27:45.676 with the condition that the board receives 569 01:27:45.806 --> 01:27:51.717 a letter from the organizations whether it be you master or Boston flight that they 570 01:27:51.727 --> 01:27:53.647 can use when you feel as 571 01:27:53.657 --> 01:28:00.430 a landing zone and the concern there is. Granted we just put lights up here they're 572 01:28:00.440 --> 01:28:05.350 going to be used the helicopter can still land at St Mark's field if they need to 573 01:28:05.920 --> 01:28:12.880 they can land at Cannes food if necessary at the south side of town backwater town 574 01:28:13.630 --> 01:28:18.420 there is no other landing zone that's it so and it's been used I have photos it 575 01:28:18.430 --> 01:28:22.390 will work out the landing there it's been used for training as well and it's for 576 01:28:22.400 --> 01:28:26.600 the benefit of the town and I owe it so that I don't have 577 01:28:26.610 --> 01:28:30.450 a problem with the lights again I thank you well but I think that letter from you 578 01:28:30.460 --> 01:28:33.260 mass and Boston bad flight is very important to the. 579 01:28:49.511 --> 01:28:53.751 I mean I crossed to 15 parka and I just want to see you thank you to the Little 580 01:28:53.761 --> 01:28:55.291 League for meeting with us it did make 581 01:28:55.301 --> 01:28:59.091 a difference that you were willing to address some of our concerns with that being 582 01:28:59.101 --> 01:29:00.771 said I'm still not 583 01:29:00.781 --> 01:29:04.121 a fan of having the lights there I don't look at the lights and I don't look at the 584 01:29:04.131 --> 01:29:08.681 late pull off. And I think for the purposes of this meeting my understanding was 585 01:29:08.691 --> 01:29:09.131 there had to be 586 01:29:09.141 --> 01:29:14.541 a burden of hardship proven I just don't feel like that has been that it's nice to 587 01:29:14.551 --> 01:29:19.274 have and I know it's something that people want but I just don't know that it meets 588 01:29:19.374 --> 01:29:26.177 that standard so I just wanted to say that but thank you again yes 589 01:29:26.187 --> 01:29:33.169 sir. Hi I'm Jim French I live it to 590 01:29:33.179 --> 01:29:40.079 19 pocketable road and I have many many concerns about having lights money 591 01:29:40.089 --> 01:29:45.439 feel I was involved in little league for like 10 years and they wanted to put 592 01:29:45.449 --> 01:29:50.791 lights and while I was involved in little league and I was totally against it. We 593 01:29:50.801 --> 01:29:57.311 have 7 houses properties are 20 to 30 feet away from only fields 594 01:29:58.021 --> 01:30:03.381 and I don't know of any other town that has lights the Little League that the 595 01:30:03.391 --> 01:30:09.891 houses are as close as we are I know some towns have lights that the House is you 596 01:30:09.901 --> 01:30:10.081 know 597 01:30:10.091 --> 01:30:15.741 a fairly close but they are separated by woods. So that's one concern I have another 598 01:30:15.751 --> 01:30:21.591 concern I have is I believe only 4 teams are going to be used in the lights during 599 01:30:21.601 --> 01:30:28.502 the regular season is that true well. No that's not true so they'll be AAA as well 600 01:30:28.512 --> 01:30:34.364 so that's another 4 teams which is AAA it's and it's another. It's 601 01:30:34.374 --> 01:30:40.364 a younger age group it's say that it's $10.11 Step play on the fan one field so 602 01:30:40.374 --> 01:30:45.794 they're going to be using the major league field in playing that night. On school 603 01:30:45.804 --> 01:30:52.507 nights so that's unlikely but I was asked answering your question about 604 01:30:52.567 --> 01:30:58.847 use of the field. Because we have $28.00 teams that play around on the different 605 01:30:58.857 --> 01:31:03.257 field right but I believe there's only 4 teams that use that major league field for 606 01:31:03.267 --> 01:31:08.638 games is that for oh yeah that's the expectation this year while the registration 607 01:31:08.648 --> 01:31:13.659 still going that they'll be like there's regulation measure in majors Yes and right 608 01:31:13.669 --> 01:31:20.329 and so well so during the regular season you only play 609 01:31:20.339 --> 01:31:26.292 Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday is that correct so why would you need the lights 610 01:31:26.302 --> 01:31:30.273 on 7 nights I ask 611 01:31:30.503 --> 01:31:37.283 a question that might help. Or the lights if we say no lights up to 9 o'clock 612 01:31:37.723 --> 01:31:42.841 during the summer. Would the lights just be on even if there wasn't 613 01:31:42.851 --> 01:31:46.391 a game or you would have a way so that these lights are only on if you have 614 01:31:46.401 --> 01:31:49.101 a game yes so at the meeting we talked 615 01:31:49.111 --> 01:31:53.711 a lot about the schedules and I walked through the number of games and that was an 616 01:31:53.721 --> 01:31:59.481 issue or was it was brought up and yeah so let's clarify that the it probably 617 01:31:59.491 --> 01:32:04.911 should read at the latest because if there is no game which there often isn't 618 01:32:04.921 --> 01:32:11.171 because of rain outs the lights will probably never even go on when games and early 619 01:32:11.431 --> 01:32:16.921 which they will most of the nights if they go as planned they will be shut off and 620 01:32:16.931 --> 01:32:20.641 they won't go they'll be they'll be 2 there's 2 things there'll be an automatic 621 01:32:20.651 --> 01:32:26.791 shut off that none of us can control that that will go off you know if they are on 622 01:32:27.081 --> 01:32:30.601 and then recreation and the coaches will have 623 01:32:30.611 --> 01:32:37.514 a code to shut them off as soon as the Games are over with so that will happen and 624 01:32:37.554 --> 01:32:41.544 of course because this is so sensitive because that was one of the one of the major 625 01:32:41.554 --> 01:32:47.224 issues I mean as you know the president of baseball I'm going to make sure that 626 01:32:47.234 --> 01:32:49.614 that happens we're going to adhere to that because I know that's 627 01:32:49.624 --> 01:32:52.944 a major concern that your president for how long once you run 628 01:32:52.954 --> 01:32:55.894 a little league then you get another regime coming in we have 629 01:32:55.904 --> 01:33:01.784 a list of of roles and responsibilities of the president we can put that right in 630 01:33:01.794 --> 01:33:07.554 there right and this and this policy is under the direction is under the Recreation 631 01:33:07.564 --> 01:33:12.154 Commission so it's their responsibility no matter who is president of any one 632 01:33:12.194 --> 01:33:16.384 organization this is resides under our responsibility ultimately. 633 01:33:20.296 --> 01:33:27.191 Just addressed. Them. John I'm really 21 pack 634 01:33:27.201 --> 01:33:30.931 of your road I'm directly across the street from the field and I think the point 635 01:33:30.941 --> 01:33:37.861 that Jim is making is that you're here for as long as your son is in baseball 636 01:33:38.071 --> 01:33:42.771 and then you're not going to be over near pack of your food again unless you go to 637 01:33:42.781 --> 01:33:43.161 see 638 01:33:43.381 --> 01:33:49.871 a friend play and all of you young fathers do the same thing I think if if the 639 01:33:50.421 --> 01:33:52.291 rule is put in place and it's part of 640 01:33:52.301 --> 01:33:56.361 a stipulation that he's be adhered to the point is that it's irrelevant who the 641 01:33:56.371 --> 01:34:00.871 president and we neighbors are going to be living with every day for the rest of 642 01:34:00.881 --> 01:34:02.841 our life you're making a point of trying to answer 643 01:34:02.851 --> 01:34:06.951 a question here Ok regardless of who the president is or the organization if 644 01:34:06.961 --> 01:34:07.191 there's 645 01:34:07.201 --> 01:34:11.341 a rule that's not being followed it would be reported and you would have to be 646 01:34:11.551 --> 01:34:17.931 remedied So you would report that too but I like the luggage part you reported to 647 01:34:17.941 --> 01:34:19.681 the police department there is 648 01:34:19.691 --> 01:34:24.481 a ruling something you said he's going to not be after the fear were there but he's 649 01:34:24.491 --> 01:34:26.541 already ruled you happy with the regulars are 650 01:34:26.551 --> 01:34:32.711 a lot of the time so our rules I mean we if we pass something out of 651 01:34:33.261 --> 01:34:38.151 a bill for any other variants of the rule doesn't get it the world gets broken it 652 01:34:38.161 --> 01:34:43.953 gets reported and it has to be remedied So you would report any rule violation to 653 01:34:43.963 --> 01:34:47.913 the to the building inspector to the police and it have to be adhered to so it's 654 01:34:47.923 --> 01:34:51.803 a rodent who I mean we don't it's irrelevant who 655 01:34:51.813 --> 01:34:55.773 a president of an organization is and if the rules of the rules are all it has to 656 01:34:55.783 --> 01:35:00.223 be and I understand that I am I mean I don't think you need to I understand that 657 01:35:00.233 --> 01:35:04.013 but my point you're missing my point my point is that you have 658 01:35:04.023 --> 01:35:10.503 a son or daughter in Little League for maybe what 3 years 659 01:35:11.465 --> 01:35:17.886 that you would be using the field we neighbors here for the rest of our lives. 660 01:35:18.651 --> 01:35:25.571 That's like saying to be like well this is it that's why if I may so I 661 01:35:25.581 --> 01:35:30.641 think the part that you're that will help you feel better about this as much as 662 01:35:30.651 --> 01:35:36.611 possible is that the rules and regulations about lights are owned by the Recreation 663 01:35:36.621 --> 01:35:41.011 Commission the Recreation Commission grants or does not grant 664 01:35:41.051 --> 01:35:46.201 a permit to Little League to use that field if literally consistently disobeys the 665 01:35:46.211 --> 01:35:50.541 rules Recreation Commission can say you no longer have 666 01:35:50.551 --> 01:35:57.491 a license to use that field so whether it's Mr Seacrest or anyone else 667 01:35:57.501 --> 01:36:02.372 as the president of the Little League if they're not following the rules of their 668 01:36:02.422 --> 01:36:09.333 license to use the field they will lose that license but the lights will still be 669 01:36:09.343 --> 01:36:12.853 there they will be there in 670 01:36:12.863 --> 01:36:16.333 a race to money I suppose that's why I don't think they want to waste their money 671 01:36:16.343 --> 01:36:21.184 on lights that they don't get to use by not a ban the rules and I do I do have 672 01:36:21.194 --> 01:36:26.684 a couple of the points 1st of all daylight savings is beginning in the 2nd week of 673 01:36:26.694 --> 01:36:33.324 March which it will mean that it will be light out till $930.00 at night so 674 01:36:33.584 --> 01:36:38.034 what difference does it make if the lights go off at $930.00 it will still be 675 01:36:38.044 --> 01:36:40.574 daylight so is there really 676 01:36:40.584 --> 01:36:45.354 a need for the lights also I understood that there were 4 teams only going to be 677 01:36:45.364 --> 01:36:50.824 using this and it seems like an awful lot of money. For just 4 teams using it 678 01:36:50.834 --> 01:36:57.675 constantly. And I also agree with Amy with Jimmy through life. 679 01:36:59.145 --> 01:37:01.165 That I don't think you're showing 680 01:37:01.175 --> 01:37:07.997 a. Real hardship that the coaches can't get there and time and. 681 01:37:09.090 --> 01:37:13.690 Also I think the last meeting that we had here you mentioned that Southborough with 682 01:37:13.700 --> 01:37:16.920 a doctor now now becoming a doctor found but 683 01:37:16.930 --> 01:37:20.560 a lot of the residents moved into Southborough because it was a small had 684 01:37:20.570 --> 01:37:25.950 a small town atmosphere and didn't have all the bright lights which we don't really 685 01:37:25.960 --> 01:37:32.091 want in our town. And now that we have them on 686 01:37:32.611 --> 01:37:39.531 85 over here. Even with the lights off I've been looking at them also every 687 01:37:39.541 --> 01:37:45.791 time I pass by and I think the Poles look ugly even during the day light 688 01:37:45.901 --> 01:37:52.811 so I mean and again those 70 foot poles over this field they do 689 01:37:52.821 --> 01:37:59.341 have 2 sets of lights on them and how it's going to be reflecting on us neighbors 690 01:37:59.751 --> 01:38:05.841 in the last meeting we had here also the gentleman who was selling the lights did 691 01:38:05.851 --> 01:38:11.451 say that some of that light would go out half way into pack of your world which is 692 01:38:11.461 --> 01:38:15.361 pretty close to our house so as a resident that has 693 01:38:15.371 --> 01:38:22.051 a house right across the street I am still I appreciate the fact that still 694 01:38:22.061 --> 01:38:28.011 against them and I appreciate the fact that the Little League did try to compromise 695 01:38:28.021 --> 01:38:32.161 but there really is no compromise the lights are going to be ugly the lights are 696 01:38:32.171 --> 01:38:36.881 going to be shining in our windows and you don't have to put up with them for the 697 01:38:36.891 --> 01:38:41.683 rest of your life and we do thank you yes sir. 698 01:38:47.175 --> 01:38:53.145 Jim your cross to 15 Parker Road like to also to ration department. Really with the 699 01:38:53.835 --> 01:38:59.665 citizens that I. Don't imagine the point that these are something we have to deal 700 01:38:59.675 --> 01:39:04.615 with race row life I can't see anyone in this room who could also say you would 701 01:39:04.625 --> 01:39:10.840 like this across the street from your house. So I respectfully disagree with 702 01:39:10.850 --> 01:39:12.810 records department Little League that there is 703 01:39:12.820 --> 01:39:18.290 a need for this I would also ask the board to think of would you want it's across 704 01:39:18.300 --> 01:39:22.060 the street from your house and that's what our neighbors the neighbors across the 705 01:39:22.070 --> 01:39:26.730 street we don't want this I mean I would love to literally to have like somewhere 706 01:39:26.990 --> 01:39:30.970 not in my yard though down my front yard or backyard or wherever if there was 707 01:39:30.980 --> 01:39:36.551 a different place I'd say great. But it's it's kind of emotional for me because 708 01:39:36.561 --> 01:39:41.101 I've grown up here in town I'm thinking about my parents who live at 230 in Parker 709 01:39:41.111 --> 01:39:47.453 wrote their older now how I just asked I don't have to keep coming back to these 710 01:39:47.463 --> 01:39:53.493 meetings it's just it's straining so I please ask you not to vote for I'm sorry I'd 711 01:39:53.503 --> 01:39:57.073 like the guys from Italy I'd like to people from wrecked apartment I like the 712 01:39:57.083 --> 01:40:03.954 people on the board but please that's all I'm asking thank you Ok yeah and 713 01:40:03.964 --> 01:40:10.774 then I'd like to that's all right Ok. Mike Robbins 47 your foot road just 714 01:40:10.784 --> 01:40:15.034 a quick question with respect to the variances is this 715 01:40:15.044 --> 01:40:17.344 a variance that falls under 40 716 01:40:17.354 --> 01:40:24.255 a section 10 is that the same type of variance that's being sought here I'm 717 01:40:24.265 --> 01:40:27.275 asking I don't know I don't ask the applicant. 718 01:40:32.108 --> 01:40:35.978 It's basically it's a short soil shaped topography hardship 719 01:40:35.988 --> 01:40:39.688 a public good is that the type of them really just you know it's just 720 01:40:39.698 --> 01:40:46.029 a variance for the light height but isn't that so my right they want to have any 721 01:40:46.039 --> 01:40:51.299 fuel correct but also the variance that they're seeking still falls under the 4 722 01:40:51.339 --> 01:40:58.124 Section $48.00 is that correct masking now so they don't have to meet the short 723 01:40:58.164 --> 01:41:02.374 soil shape into far graphy the hardship in the public good means test and I think 724 01:41:02.384 --> 01:41:02.974 you're making more of 725 01:41:02.984 --> 01:41:08.604 a point and I question you know I was following her chapter 14 and so my point is 726 01:41:08.614 --> 01:41:12.684 then and I honestly generally didn't know if this felt fell under 727 01:41:12.694 --> 01:41:17.721 a different set of circumstances. But the light height requirement from 728 01:41:17.731 --> 01:41:22.221 a legal standpoint I don't see how it hits upon the soil shape or topography for 729 01:41:22.231 --> 01:41:28.931 the need chip the hardship is not the public want or need the Supreme Court mass 730 01:41:28.941 --> 01:41:29.701 s.j.c. 731 01:41:29.761 --> 01:41:34.191 Unless circumstances relating to the soil conditions of the land shape of the land 732 01:41:34.201 --> 01:41:41.171 or topography of the land causes the hardship no variance may be granted wofully 733 01:41:41.641 --> 01:41:46.051 So it's not play go it's hard for the kids to play in the dark that's irrelevant 734 01:41:46.641 --> 01:41:46.931 it's 735 01:41:46.941 --> 01:41:52.161 a hardship with relation relationship to the shore oil statement of Hardesty clearly 736 01:41:52.171 --> 01:41:56.061 there's an argument for the public good I just don't see the lights meeting that 737 01:41:56.071 --> 01:42:00.861 criteria for a variance to be caught if it's there's not a legal right for 738 01:42:00.871 --> 01:42:07.713 a variance Ok thanks. We are some people who are lined up to speak in this 739 01:42:07.723 --> 01:42:14.354 woman and so you've already spoken I think twice Oh Hi Sara Nelson 50 740 01:42:14.364 --> 01:42:18.444 Richards road it's my backyard that abuts the property and I've been to all of 741 01:42:18.454 --> 01:42:22.404 these meetings and again I would like to thank both the rector partment and the 742 01:42:22.414 --> 01:42:25.874 league for meeting and talking to all of us that it was 743 01:42:25.884 --> 01:42:32.404 a very good meeting I have so my my points questions would be if it goes through 744 01:42:33.505 --> 01:42:40.110 back to the policy. Forgive me I don't know your name but as you 745 01:42:40.120 --> 01:42:46.320 pointed out I think the wording does need to be at the latest 9 o'clock because 746 01:42:46.330 --> 01:42:49.810 that is what we talked about at the meeting so that when the games do end as well 747 01:42:49.820 --> 01:42:52.740 as we discussed here in Munich when the games do and they go off as soon as 748 01:42:52.750 --> 01:42:58.090 possible and the other part that I saw in this policy it was practices ending by 9 749 01:42:58.140 --> 01:43:05.070 where as we said the whole discussion was well not practice is at 9 but when the 750 01:43:05.080 --> 01:43:09.670 games and by 9 and then you even said you wouldn't be would not be doing practices 751 01:43:09.680 --> 01:43:14.910 afterwards so that it could end as soon as possible so I just want to I want to 752 01:43:14.920 --> 01:43:18.990 bring those 2 points back up because that is what we discussed and that would help 753 01:43:19.390 --> 01:43:25.591 that we continue to help the favor of everything. Those 1000 biggest things so 754 01:43:25.901 --> 01:43:27.761 thank you and I do appreciate the l.e.d. 755 01:43:28.401 --> 01:43:32.861 Factor as well because that does help with the scope of the lighting and again. 756 01:43:37.101 --> 01:43:42.231 With all what you are saying Ok with regards to practices and games are you just 757 01:43:42.241 --> 01:43:46.941 saying that you just want to hit make sure that the hours as stated are here to was 758 01:43:47.161 --> 01:43:52.891 yet as it was on the 1st point was in the policy it says I believe I have in front 759 01:43:52.901 --> 01:43:59.811 of me that they would be off by off at 9 o'clock and the wording would 760 01:43:59.821 --> 01:44:05.511 be better and what we had talked about was off by 9 o'clock and the fact that it 761 01:44:05.521 --> 01:44:11.531 would be after the games and did not because the 2nd thing in there says that 762 01:44:11.541 --> 01:44:16.451 practices they could practice until 9 o'clock 2 and the point that we had to Scots 763 01:44:16.461 --> 01:44:20.521 to the mean the other point we discussed was that after the Games it would go off 764 01:44:20.531 --> 01:44:24.521 that they would not be then doing more practice after the game so the flight would 765 01:44:24.631 --> 01:44:28.661 have to say i Phone or if I can rule on what you're on of this there would be just 766 01:44:28.671 --> 01:44:32.651 a total shut off at 9 o'clock even to the point of if you continue to that room 767 01:44:32.661 --> 01:44:32.941 there was 768 01:44:32.951 --> 01:44:36.761 a fly ball up in the air at 9 o'clock and no one caught it the lights were going 769 01:44:36.771 --> 01:44:42.322 off and that's it right right and other practices this is. 770 01:44:44.270 --> 01:44:50.320 So there's other practices and I think that is so Yes So so the 2 points I know 771 01:44:50.650 --> 01:44:54.800 which is same with both of them and the one the 1st one has to do with if there's 772 01:44:54.880 --> 01:44:58.350 you know lights are going to be on if nobody's playing on those nights so it will 773 01:44:58.360 --> 01:45:02.800 be off by 9 o'clock the other thing the concern was are you going to have 774 01:45:02.810 --> 01:45:04.900 a game tell 8 o'clock and then 775 01:45:04.910 --> 01:45:09.150 a team is going to come in and flip the lights on and want to practice and we 776 01:45:09.190 --> 01:45:13.100 agreed and that meeting and you were right I agree with you that the wording here 777 01:45:13.360 --> 01:45:20.310 is not accurate in that that but there will not be practices after and up under 778 01:45:20.320 --> 01:45:25.140 the lights after those games that won't happen we won't do that so if there isn't 779 01:45:25.150 --> 01:45:31.492 a game you could schedule practices. Just 780 01:45:32.032 --> 01:45:35.582 by this I'm saying it's theoretically possible if there isn't 781 01:45:35.592 --> 01:45:40.642 a game you could schedule practices so that the last one ends at 9 o'clock is what 782 01:45:40.652 --> 01:45:46.754 it sounds like I guess according to that wording what would I mean if you know if I 783 01:45:46.764 --> 01:45:50.874 may be looking to me just to say you were going to show the true nature of what we 784 01:45:50.884 --> 01:45:54.864 did talk about those 2 things that that's all I'm asking and I think that would 785 01:45:54.964 --> 01:45:59.004 that would help and on that we could come to an agreement on all of that and I mean 786 01:45:59.014 --> 01:46:01.964 I would only apply to. The. 787 01:46:05.586 --> 01:46:10.567 No no when there if there's a game happening this is if there's 788 01:46:10.577 --> 01:46:15.559 a game happening in it and it 8 o'clock then the lights shut off they don't want 789 01:46:15.569 --> 01:46:20.019 them to you know oh let's have practice let's throw the ball until 9 o'clock 790 01:46:20.029 --> 01:46:25.089 because we have the lights all night now well shut off it when the game's over is 791 01:46:25.099 --> 01:46:30.659 baseball going to have practices there yes this isn't just about games you know and 792 01:46:30.769 --> 01:46:36.469 baseball's dealing with rain else constantly trying to reschedule games and things 793 01:46:36.759 --> 01:46:42.770 such as that so the hardship is really like trying to schedule everything. Which in 794 01:46:42.780 --> 01:46:49.360 the can I comment on that because. As to what you just said that is why we as 795 01:46:49.370 --> 01:46:54.220 a group agreed to the whole Friday Saturday night thing because he made the point 796 01:46:54.410 --> 01:46:59.650 that scheduling was difficult they had to every make ups so we agreed to the Friday 797 01:46:59.660 --> 01:47:05.900 and Saturday night if needed for make up games is that not correct 798 01:47:06.880 --> 01:47:10.980 but I mean there's only so much that we can go if we have condition of the going to 799 01:47:10.990 --> 01:47:15.380 every possible contingency and like this is what was discussed at that mean and I 800 01:47:15.390 --> 01:47:19.000 agreed upon by both parties and that's why I'm bringing up because it was agreed 801 01:47:19.010 --> 01:47:23.660 upon and it's just not in the policy and that's why I think if we could get back to 802 01:47:23.970 --> 01:47:30.960 that it would be it would be great that's all my that's all I want to say so. No no 803 01:47:30.970 --> 01:47:37.940 no no I don't think so. So my my sense is that these policies 804 01:47:37.950 --> 01:47:43.300 since it sounds like there's still some tweaking. Might be best for the planning 805 01:47:43.310 --> 01:47:49.611 board to put on. Our you know anything we do would direct the planning board to 806 01:47:49.621 --> 01:47:54.621 include policies. So about this issue about whether we can include conditions like 807 01:47:54.631 --> 01:48:00.154 this you know variance I think I think we can definitely I'm just not sure they're 808 01:48:00.164 --> 01:48:05.374 ready but these are these our draft is our draft because of this so that we can get 809 01:48:05.384 --> 01:48:10.284 more feedback I think maybe we could do because it's like 45 now as we can hear 810 01:48:10.554 --> 01:48:15.274 from the other 3 people here want to speak and then we can begin 811 01:48:15.284 --> 01:48:22.226 a discussion about where we want to go from here. And. You know we can take the 812 01:48:22.236 --> 01:48:28.740 time to to do things thoroughly and if that means we if 813 01:48:30.050 --> 01:48:36.181 we go into another meeting we go into another room now. Jason Hanson 6 fully Dr 814 01:48:37.001 --> 01:48:41.481 I just haven't heard any discussion about the safety for the players of 20 foot 815 01:48:41.491 --> 01:48:47.651 lights seems like the baseball is asking for higher lights because it's going to be 816 01:48:47.661 --> 01:48:52.641 safer for the players that just seems to be my impression 20 foot lights on the 817 01:48:52.651 --> 01:48:55.961 field would be in everybody's eyes Anytime you're trying to hit the ball catch the 818 01:48:55.971 --> 01:49:00.511 ball move around the idea of the 60 percent of lights is to make it safer for the 819 01:49:00.521 --> 01:49:04.821 players and I just haven't I wasn't here for the previous meeting on this maybe was 820 01:49:04.831 --> 01:49:10.371 brought up but that just seems to be the goal for baseball is to to make the safer 821 01:49:10.381 --> 01:49:14.911 for the players for the lights that they're allowed to use so you know as someone 822 01:49:14.921 --> 01:49:16.081 who played a lot of baseball coached 823 01:49:16.091 --> 01:49:20.601 a lot of baseball grew up in town playing baseball here I would never want to have 824 01:49:21.281 --> 01:49:26.951 to worry about my own son because we put up lights that were too short because the 825 01:49:26.961 --> 01:49:31.341 town wouldn't give us the rights to put them up higher so that's all I want to say 826 01:49:31.381 --> 01:49:38.322 thank you. David Kline 827 01:49:38.362 --> 01:49:41.622 18 middle road. I just want to talk about 828 01:49:41.632 --> 01:49:46.742 a few comments that I heard one of the you know I understand that the lights are 829 01:49:46.902 --> 01:49:48.992 across the street from your house I live in 830 01:49:49.032 --> 01:49:54.362 a middle road I can see the lights Woodfield and I was in support of those lights I 831 01:49:54.372 --> 01:49:57.632 could see the old lights and I'm sure I'm going to be able to see the new words but 832 01:49:57.642 --> 01:50:01.942 to me the greater good of the town that we have fields that are important to our 833 01:50:01.952 --> 01:50:07.652 kids and we're battling obesity with kids drug addiction with kids and if we keep 834 01:50:07.662 --> 01:50:11.502 them inside point videogames all the time this is this is what you're going to get 835 01:50:11.592 --> 01:50:15.982 show I think to have them outside to have lights on for 836 01:50:16.022 --> 01:50:19.842 a couple hours I think it's a much better thing I think it's 837 01:50:20.702 --> 01:50:24.974 a positive for the town other towns have it I have picture I have 838 01:50:24.984 --> 01:50:31.374 a picture of. It but having to has there was the comment that there was no lights. 839 01:50:32.311 --> 01:50:34.081 Close to houses in other fields I have 840 01:50:34.091 --> 01:50:38.361 a picture here from Hopkinton they're literally feel and it's basically in your 841 01:50:38.371 --> 01:50:41.193 backyard. Now that's 842 01:50:41.203 --> 01:50:48.203 a residential and your service. And. So my feeling is that 843 01:50:48.213 --> 01:50:54.303 increase it increases the the value of the town it makes people want to live there 844 01:50:54.773 --> 01:50:55.633 if their children have 845 01:50:55.643 --> 01:51:01.223 a place to play you know quality fields and and they don't have to worry about them 846 01:51:02.334 --> 01:51:06.454 you know doing things that they shouldn't be doing so I'm in support of it thank 847 01:51:06.464 --> 01:51:12.975 you Ok and you want to have the last word. Right now is to drive 848 01:51:13.375 --> 01:51:17.855 I'm in favor of the lights sorry I forgot your name Donna so Dot I mean 849 01:51:17.865 --> 01:51:22.735 a couple things Don So I just want to comment back on one she said most of the town 850 01:51:22.815 --> 01:51:26.445 doesn't like these things like the quiet town so I'm new to south for about 3 years 851 01:51:26.455 --> 01:51:27.225 ago I know 852 01:51:27.235 --> 01:51:31.575 a lot of new families I can tell you that is not the sentiment of self Ok of 853 01:51:31.585 --> 01:51:37.605 younger families. All right but used you said on behalf of South or on letting it 854 01:51:37.615 --> 01:51:43.257 known that you were not speaking for yourself and 2nd she commented about the 855 01:51:43.267 --> 01:51:45.597 Moscow rep said half you know the light would go happily in 856 01:51:45.607 --> 01:51:50.367 a park of the right he also said be less than that of moonlight halfway into 857 01:51:50.377 --> 01:51:54.400 particles I just want to make that known to be less than if the moonlight was there 858 01:51:55.060 --> 01:51:58.000 when he said that as well also can we get a shot you can get 859 01:51:58.010 --> 01:52:01.260 a show of hands of who actually supports this so me just so you have an idea of 860 01:52:01.270 --> 01:52:08.251 who's here in support of it instead yes 861 01:52:08.311 --> 01:52:14.410 I would. Ok. 862 01:52:15.950 --> 01:52:21.560 Very very very very very brief 20 seconds Howard Rosenstein 9 Hickory road. Paul 863 01:52:21.570 --> 01:52:24.930 and I met with the neighbors a couple weeks ago we had 864 01:52:24.940 --> 01:52:28.320 a very productive meeting in my opinion I think one of the points that's very 865 01:52:28.330 --> 01:52:32.710 important when you look at that list that we agreed upon is the provision that we 866 01:52:32.720 --> 01:52:39.590 will have meetings with the bothers every year midway through the year. To go 867 01:52:39.600 --> 01:52:45.050 over how it's working out you know I would in to supinate because when we're on the 868 01:52:45.060 --> 01:52:49.610 board we're on the board for many years a time when kids generally answer as a t. 869 01:52:49.620 --> 01:52:54.840 Ball or and go all the way through 6 years I would anticipate and expect that the 870 01:52:54.850 --> 01:53:00.340 accommodations that we made during that meeting and the desire to work with the 871 01:53:00.350 --> 01:53:04.220 abiders will carry forward from year for years and years to come and one of the 872 01:53:04.320 --> 01:53:08.350 reasons that will happen is through those meetings during the year to make sure 873 01:53:08.360 --> 01:53:12.511 that we're following through with our commitment Ok Thanks so. 874 01:53:17.913 --> 01:53:21.253 Make it real brief Rob Titus more road south or been in town 875 01:53:21.343 --> 01:53:25.733 a long time here and I supported our use of a scout master here in town 876 01:53:25.743 --> 01:53:30.533 a certain shop see. What Mrs Santa said I think the l.e.d. 877 01:53:30.543 --> 01:53:32.683 Lights are a good idea I think it's 878 01:53:32.693 --> 01:53:36.223 a much better idea even if it didn't show the energy energy efficiency I think it 879 01:53:36.233 --> 01:53:40.383 probably would be less glare on the neighbors I also heard the point about hardship 880 01:53:40.393 --> 01:53:42.793 and that was one of the 1st things I was thinking about before I came down and I 881 01:53:42.803 --> 01:53:44.963 don't know if I really see really truly see 882 01:53:44.973 --> 01:53:51.471 a hardship here. I think. I'd like to see 883 01:53:51.591 --> 01:53:58.151 a final order. You know conditions completely done spelled out that everybody 884 01:53:58.161 --> 01:54:02.401 understands before this goes forward I think this is that of another point about 885 01:54:02.411 --> 01:54:06.841 the lights being on at Woodward or choke whatever we call the field over there that 886 01:54:06.851 --> 01:54:07.991 one doesn't have any neighbors by 887 01:54:08.001 --> 01:54:10.191 a thought I mean the cemetery across the street there's 888 01:54:10.201 --> 01:54:12.961 a school on the other side of it but to give folks 889 01:54:12.971 --> 01:54:15.351 a chance to see what it looks like even if it isn't 890 01:54:15.391 --> 01:54:17.521 a complete apples to apples I think would be 891 01:54:17.531 --> 01:54:20.331 a very very good thing so those are the points I mean 892 01:54:20.371 --> 01:54:24.431 a hardship I guess I don't fully understand the hardship here and maybe that could 893 01:54:24.441 --> 01:54:26.971 be explained The only daylight I do think is 894 01:54:26.981 --> 01:54:31.081 a good idea but the order of conditions and the time they are going to minimize the 895 01:54:31.091 --> 01:54:34.491 time so I think the point about Daylight Savings Time was made and sometimes say 896 01:54:34.501 --> 01:54:39.581 You know you don't let out till 930 do you do you even really need them so. If you 897 01:54:39.591 --> 01:54:44.211 could just address that that would be great thank you. Ok 898 01:54:47.293 --> 01:54:48.913 I don't want to leave here having 899 01:54:48.923 --> 01:54:54.043 a group of people thinking that there's no cooperation I work with Doreen probably 900 01:54:54.053 --> 01:54:59.963 for 15 years whether it be on the 911 field or field uses in other areas of town 901 01:55:00.353 --> 01:55:05.203 and typically any policy comes before the Board of Selectmen if there's some 902 01:55:05.213 --> 01:55:10.323 concern we eventually will hear about it so if there's changes I've worked with 903 01:55:10.333 --> 01:55:17.303 Doreen and Craig in the past in looking at policies and I I do agree that whatever 904 01:55:17.313 --> 01:55:21.603 the policy is it should be not in the draft form we started as 905 01:55:21.613 --> 01:55:26.025 a draft this evening but it should be clear so that the board can make 906 01:55:26.035 --> 01:55:30.995 a decision and in if there are any changes it has to take place of the future I 907 01:55:31.005 --> 01:55:35.125 would hope that you would incorporate the board of selectmen and helping draft 908 01:55:35.885 --> 01:55:39.415 those policies because they will be the individuals I could be hearing the 909 01:55:39.425 --> 01:55:43.755 complaints not that I might be there but it's a helpful tool when there's 910 01:55:43.765 --> 01:55:50.000 a partnership so that's what I'm suggesting Ok thank you. So I think we should. 911 01:55:51.760 --> 01:55:55.070 I don't think we should close the public hearing I because I think we 1st got to 912 01:55:55.270 --> 01:55:55.440 get 913 01:55:55.450 --> 01:56:00.530 a sense of what direction we want to go in and one of the I know Mr Bartolini had 914 01:56:00.540 --> 01:56:04.820 suggested I mean one thing we could do I don't know whether I'm favoring or not is 915 01:56:05.972 --> 01:56:11.572 you know if the field lights were going to come on in 2 weeks right it would make 916 01:56:11.582 --> 01:56:17.844 sense to just continue the hearing so that everyone in town keeping in mind if 917 01:56:17.854 --> 01:56:22.584 they're different or taller I understand your point it's not an apples to apples 918 01:56:22.875 --> 01:56:29.047 comparison so we could do that or we could you know talk about instead kind of 919 01:56:30.479 --> 01:56:36.250 tonight but I really don't think we have time to flush out all think if we were 920 01:56:36.260 --> 01:56:37.750 going to do that we should get 921 01:56:37.790 --> 01:56:43.002 a full draft have it available for people to review and then 922 01:56:46.124 --> 01:56:46.564 thankfully 923 01:56:46.944 --> 01:56:53.697 a question Would Doreen because the fact is what is the timeline on the 924 01:56:53.707 --> 01:56:56.588 project of doing the lighting is 925 01:56:56.598 --> 01:57:01.838 a major reason why it has to be done right away can it be extended for 926 01:57:01.848 --> 01:57:07.278 a while or we have to wait for town meeting to approve the funds so the funds 927 01:57:07.288 --> 01:57:11.618 wouldn't even be available until July 1st so you know what you're so you know 928 01:57:11.628 --> 01:57:16.298 waiting to get approval for before town meeting then is that what you're asking 929 01:57:16.308 --> 01:57:18.408 that was suggested by the c.p.c. 930 01:57:18.418 --> 01:57:24.650 That we try and get approvals again before. Meeting. 931 01:57:26.020 --> 01:57:32.843 These lights would not occur next season and. The plan would like the 932 01:57:32.853 --> 01:57:39.525 idea plan is for them to go up in the fall. I've got I thought from my last meeting 933 01:57:39.535 --> 01:57:44.715 that there was some hope of trying to get this in for this season right now that 934 01:57:44.725 --> 01:57:51.025 that's Ok as far as I know that's not going to have that that being said I I would 935 01:57:51.035 --> 01:57:56.381 agree with Lee's recommendation that I mean time is not of. Huge yes and so that we 936 01:57:56.391 --> 01:58:00.541 could have the benefit of continuing this to see what the lights look like when 937 01:58:00.551 --> 01:58:01.011 they go on 938 01:58:01.021 --> 01:58:05.551 a whim during when do you think I think I asked you before and do you have any 939 01:58:05.561 --> 01:58:12.185 sense of when the lights might be on so we can live. We don't know the 940 01:58:12.195 --> 01:58:19.035 weather is creating havoc right now so we're sure that they'd be on by the 941 01:58:19.045 --> 01:58:20.525 some are going to make 942 01:58:20.535 --> 01:58:25.405 a comment on the fact that the light company could go in and temporarily hope those 943 01:58:25.415 --> 01:58:27.055 lights up on a computer generate 944 01:58:27.065 --> 01:58:31.485 a system so the town could go and look at them when they want the issue that you 945 01:58:31.495 --> 01:58:37.577 brought up about town meeting is this board would have to prove this in the middle 946 01:58:37.587 --> 01:58:42.517 of much because by the time we approve it we file it with the town clerk and the 20 947 01:58:42.527 --> 01:58:48.007 day appeal has to all be done before town meeting so it doesn't give us very much 948 01:58:48.017 --> 01:58:54.879 more time to extend this without approving it or disapproving. Yeah I think 949 01:58:55.019 --> 01:59:01.970 that's true. You know and as I said before that you know they're not only the 950 01:59:01.980 --> 01:59:06.350 lights down there it's completely different configuration I mean you can almost go 951 01:59:06.360 --> 01:59:12.360 to any lighted field in the area and look at it that has the newer new technology 952 01:59:12.860 --> 01:59:19.001 if you want to get that I mean I think I think I think. You know in terms of the 953 01:59:19.011 --> 01:59:25.581 details I mean baseball wants to work with the neighbors and the rec department the 954 01:59:25.591 --> 01:59:28.121 rec department is not going to install 955 01:59:28.131 --> 01:59:35.024 a rule that you know is isn't going to work yeah and 956 01:59:35.034 --> 01:59:39.804 we don't want that either and so you know we will modify things I mean we put 957 01:59:39.814 --> 01:59:45.871 together these we sent him around to try to get. You know ideally an email back 958 01:59:45.881 --> 01:59:49.821 from every abad or that said I approve Well we knew we weren't going to get that 959 01:59:49.861 --> 01:59:54.351 when we sent it out but it's like Ok this is these are the 7 points really we 960 01:59:54.361 --> 02:00:00.341 talked about Bonnie sent back the e-mail. You know with her pieces to that you know 961 02:00:00.351 --> 02:00:06.201 I guess that's what I want to get across is that you know we want to put these 962 02:00:06.481 --> 02:00:09.133 lights up they're going to be there for 963 02:00:09.143 --> 02:00:11.983 a long time policy is going to change we've got 964 02:00:11.993 --> 02:00:18.893 a starting point now we're going to work with the abiders today tomorrow 10 years 965 02:00:18.903 --> 02:00:23.463 in the future 20 years to make sure it works we're not trying to pull anything over 966 02:00:23.473 --> 02:00:29.153 on anybody in terms of the wording that we did there with the practice that you 967 02:00:29.163 --> 02:00:36.144 know we won't do that and. You know I I think it would be great if we could just 968 02:00:36.154 --> 02:00:38.234 get this approved because the other thing if the c.p.c. 969 02:00:38.244 --> 02:00:43.114 Funds don't go through we have to figure out another way of funding it and I would 970 02:00:43.124 --> 02:00:47.914 like to get started on the back up plan today and that we can't even get started 971 02:00:47.924 --> 02:00:52.064 with until we know we can even put these lights up and it's going to be 972 02:00:52.074 --> 02:00:57.734 a very different cost than we than the 20 foot lights that we would put up. If we 973 02:00:58.314 --> 02:01:00.925 had to go out and the only comment I would make 974 02:01:00.935 --> 02:01:05.805 a moat looking at the Cho field is the still does have to have to go in front of 975 02:01:05.815 --> 02:01:10.465 town meeting you know when it be for the neighbors or for any anyone in town to see 976 02:01:10.725 --> 02:01:11.935 Field for them to make 977 02:01:11.945 --> 02:01:16.415 a decision when they vote does that necessarily impact the c 978 02:01:16.425 --> 02:01:23.375 b A's. Decision tonight in terms of the variance of the polls this still has to get 979 02:01:23.385 --> 02:01:28.145 through Tom meeting and you know assuming that you know if we can get those lights 980 02:01:28.155 --> 02:01:34.025 on by then then the town can make that decision. In terms of whether that's 981 02:01:34.145 --> 02:01:35.205 important for the z.b. 982 02:01:35.215 --> 02:01:41.835 a To to approve this or not I don't I can't answer for you. Craig and I. 983 02:01:42.760 --> 02:01:47.553 Greg going to David I was like you guys were leaving or what you thought we should 984 02:01:49.956 --> 02:01:54.996 well I mean certainly when it comes to the you know the conditions here I would 985 02:01:55.006 --> 02:01:59.947 agree that you've got to make sure you've got these things correct. It does it 986 02:01:59.957 --> 02:02:00.617 there's obviously 987 02:02:00.627 --> 02:02:04.167 a lot going around regarding when you're allowed to practice versus 988 02:02:04.177 --> 02:02:07.867 a game it sounds to me almost like you're going to say all right if you gain 989 02:02:07.877 --> 02:02:11.587 anything if the game triggers the lights that go on you can't practice afterwards 990 02:02:11.727 --> 02:02:17.767 but that's the sort of that did sound that complicated because you also said you 991 02:02:17.777 --> 02:02:22.178 don't want to say that you're not never going to practice there. I think in terms 992 02:02:22.188 --> 02:02:29.081 of impact and mean it it's. Primarily looking to be able 993 02:02:29.091 --> 02:02:35.801 to extend the game somewhat past 8 o'clock I mean it's really the 994 02:02:35.841 --> 02:02:40.631 major motivation fire we call Little Italy days it was always getting up to that 995 02:02:40.641 --> 02:02:44.221 time and you know this inning doesn't get started we're going to be in trouble. 996 02:02:48.942 --> 02:02:52.232 And I know but I don't know if there are enough that I'll modify the time it all 997 02:02:52.402 --> 02:02:59.151 helps. We did my thing 10 to 9 right. Because that is the point I mean 998 02:02:59.161 --> 02:03:04.081 for the 1st half of the season we basically have to start games at $530.00 to get 999 02:03:04.091 --> 02:03:08.551 a little for in time be still light enough and it still at that point isn't as soon 1000 02:03:08.561 --> 02:03:15.041 as the time changes enough you know in terms of when the when the sun goes down we 1001 02:03:15.051 --> 02:03:19.541 moved in some time we'll try to we try to move games back to 6 and so what these 1002 02:03:19.551 --> 02:03:24.721 like this would allow us to do is start every game at 6 the games are only going to 1003 02:03:24.731 --> 02:03:28.431 have the 2 hour limit on the games so would be most of these of the week it would 1004 02:03:28.441 --> 02:03:34.321 be from 6 to 8 the game only rain outs and stuff if we had to double up games and 1005 02:03:34.331 --> 02:03:34.621 that was 1006 02:03:34.631 --> 02:03:38.231 a big concern the neighbors had doubling games up because we missed games earlier 1007 02:03:38.241 --> 02:03:41.921 in the week we would do that and you could only do that on 8th on 1008 02:03:41.931 --> 02:03:46.361 a Friday or Saturday because of the you know the hours so those are the kind of 1009 02:03:46.371 --> 02:03:50.651 details and to be in there and just I mean for the record I don't really challenge 1010 02:03:50.661 --> 02:03:55.741 the idea that you do need them I under I well understand why you need them but you 1011 02:03:55.751 --> 02:04:00.441 know exactly what you're just talking about you know needs to be captured here that 1012 02:04:00.451 --> 02:04:03.221 we're going to do a make up it's only going to be 1013 02:04:03.231 --> 02:04:10.194 a Friday or Saturday night so it doesn't difficult to transit we wrap up tonight is 1014 02:04:10.204 --> 02:04:15.564 it or is it irrelevant what it is it mean if if that stated Sunday through Thursday 1015 02:04:15.574 --> 02:04:20.664 that they're off by 9 o'clock Friday and Saturday they're off by 930 is it is 1016 02:04:20.674 --> 02:04:25.384 a well other minutiae relevant Well you know the only thing I would say is that if 1017 02:04:25.394 --> 02:04:28.744 that was part of their discussion with the neighbors and I thought I would say it 1018 02:04:28.754 --> 02:04:33.324 is because not to me it is really contingent on how well they work it out with the 1019 02:04:33.334 --> 02:04:39.384 neighbors that was there was there's discussion and that should be. You know 1020 02:04:39.394 --> 02:04:44.224 especially for I think the big one is the practices after games you know when the 1021 02:04:44.234 --> 02:04:47.894 game is over the expectation is people are packing up and the leave in the lights 1022 02:04:47.904 --> 02:04:51.471 go off not. You know we have 1023 02:04:51.871 --> 02:04:55.961 a group of 6 kids and their parents decide to hang out and toss balls around and 1024 02:04:55.971 --> 02:05:01.885 crack the bat until 9 o'clock when the lights go off you know so it's when the 1025 02:05:01.895 --> 02:05:06.335 game's over it's over now I do think that the way it's written and I don't 1026 02:05:06.345 --> 02:05:11.605 necessarily disagree with it is that if it's practices then those practices are 1027 02:05:11.615 --> 02:05:17.035 scheduled and they have the full allotment of time with the lights so I mean that's 1028 02:05:17.045 --> 02:05:21.435 the way I would read it and I think that's probably fair mostly because I don't 1029 02:05:21.445 --> 02:05:26.826 think it's generally going to be used for practices all that much and so I think 1030 02:05:26.836 --> 02:05:32.698 that that sounds reasonable to me but I think the biggest thing is you know no 1031 02:05:32.708 --> 02:05:33.568 one's hanging out after 1032 02:05:33.578 --> 02:05:38.258 a game at $830.00 to spend the last half hour cracking about and making noise there 1033 02:05:38.368 --> 02:05:40.580 and keeping the lights on so 1034 02:05:47.621 --> 02:05:52.921 I want everybody yeah you have to use them like you use them like you know yeah you 1035 02:05:52.931 --> 02:05:56.741 know maybe that was the point was made made the point before thank you I just want 1036 02:05:56.751 --> 02:06:00.891 everybody to understand that you're only talking yes what you said that multiple 1037 02:06:00.901 --> 02:06:01.761 times thank you. 1038 02:06:10.552 --> 02:06:16.473 I guess my question is if you do approve it. There's an appeal so this isn't as if 1039 02:06:16.483 --> 02:06:18.163 we have to we could get 1040 02:06:18.173 --> 02:06:24.454 a petition to go against. You would you know you would appeal it to court as what 1041 02:06:24.464 --> 02:06:27.695 the court Ok 1042 02:06:33.667 --> 02:06:38.499 if you do approve it is this means approved forever because if they go in front of 1043 02:06:38.509 --> 02:06:44.300 the town to look for money and there's no money it's still approved or is this 1044 02:06:44.730 --> 02:06:46.350 where at some point we would be getting 1045 02:06:46.360 --> 02:06:50.950 a variance and it would be basically for. I mean there could be 1046 02:06:50.960 --> 02:06:56.310 a time contingency with which to perform Yeah. You know you have 1047 02:06:56.320 --> 02:06:59.320 a year you would have by default rules you'd have 1048 02:06:59.330 --> 02:07:03.240 a year to exercise and then the process of have to start they would know they would 1049 02:07:03.250 --> 02:07:07.970 have the right to continue it beyond the year they got to the year it wasn't done 1050 02:07:07.980 --> 02:07:09.980 you could still come in front of the board to get 1051 02:07:09.990 --> 02:07:14.090 a continuance for another year or whatever it does mean we have to Granted I mean 1052 02:07:14.100 --> 02:07:17.150 they would have to they would have to come back to the Board for approval much like 1053 02:07:17.160 --> 02:07:21.880 we just went through this evening once the 80 foot poles $70.84 polls go up there 1054 02:07:21.920 --> 02:07:28.610 but what if they're not up yet and if they don't start construction 67. They 1055 02:07:28.620 --> 02:07:32.240 haven't started construction with any You're right the permit would it would 1056 02:07:32.250 --> 02:07:36.680 explore or act on their various writers that's very What would. 1057 02:07:39.311 --> 02:07:42.243 Give it can come to the mike I need 1058 02:07:42.253 --> 02:07:47.483 a clarification now I think the question was if it should be appealed nothing could 1059 02:07:47.493 --> 02:07:53.283 happen during that process correct even if they had the funding or town meeting 1060 02:07:53.293 --> 02:07:58.873 approved there have been if there was an appeal nothing could happen until the 1061 02:07:58.883 --> 02:08:02.473 appeal was her there have been some there have been developers and I don't know get 1062 02:08:02.603 --> 02:08:07.353 and I approval her and then build even during the appeal I do not think the time 1063 02:08:07.363 --> 02:08:09.593 Southborough would do that Ok. 1064 02:08:15.125 --> 02:08:20.776 Was that you could ask for what they did. When are they c.c. 1065 02:08:20.816 --> 02:08:24.916 Funds and where do we get them I mean is it from the state that we're getting these 1066 02:08:24.926 --> 02:08:28.086 funds or where do we get the. 1067 02:08:32.876 --> 02:08:37.387 Shirt and so on a couple things I guess relating to that there's 1068 02:08:37.397 --> 02:08:42.571 a war article for funding for this. 4 c.p.c. 1069 02:08:42.581 --> 02:08:47.251 Funds so annually that it's going to see peace explain how the save Community 1070 02:08:47.291 --> 02:08:52.821 Preservation Commission oversees funds that are contributed to 1071 02:08:52.831 --> 02:08:59.721 a pool from our tax base every year. Who's out of her south 1072 02:08:59.971 --> 02:09:04.161 south south boroughs tax base contributes to this c.p.c. 1073 02:09:04.171 --> 02:09:10.811 Fund and it's used for housing preservation and very 1074 02:09:10.921 --> 02:09:17.493 direct restore open space and then remainder funds that are used go into 1075 02:09:17.533 --> 02:09:24.093 a reserve fund and part of that reserve fund can be used for recreational 1076 02:09:24.303 --> 02:09:30.216 creation of recreational purposes and these funds held at the time of at the state 1077 02:09:30.226 --> 02:09:36.186 level are held at the town level and the contributions annually by the town are 1078 02:09:36.196 --> 02:09:38.236 matched by the state at 1079 02:09:38.246 --> 02:09:45.026 a certain percentage based on how many other towns are participating in the system 1080 02:09:46.076 --> 02:09:51.786 so any projects that are approved through that funding and are funded that way do 1081 02:09:51.796 --> 02:09:57.396 you know there are already tax dollars that are already allocated they don't 1082 02:09:57.436 --> 02:10:04.326 increase taxes in any way. So the warrant article for this that was 1083 02:10:04.336 --> 02:10:11.149 approved by that board is contingent upon approval by 1084 02:10:11.219 --> 02:10:17.992 zoning and planned so I guess just point out the relation there and that if there 1085 02:10:18.002 --> 02:10:23.582 were further delays here or if it was denied likely that Morant article would be 1086 02:10:23.592 --> 02:10:30.192 withdrawn if there was not that approval or would need to be reheard by that board 1087 02:10:30.702 --> 02:10:35.682 I think one thing we could do so that you wouldn't know where you're going to stand 1088 02:10:35.682 --> 02:10:42.000 . In that you know mid late March period going into the. Town Meeting is 1089 02:10:42.590 --> 02:10:44.990 if we I don't think we're in a position to take 1090 02:10:45.000 --> 02:10:49.561 a conclude this whole thing tonight but we can continue it and we don't have to 1091 02:10:49.571 --> 02:10:55.134 wait another month to put it on a much shorter time period we could pick 1092 02:10:55.144 --> 02:11:00.304 a date one week from now 2 weeks from now and then we could get 1093 02:11:00.984 --> 02:11:05.944 a proposed set of conditions would flesh this out I don't know if it's just copy 1094 02:11:05.954 --> 02:11:12.894 and paste this or. If Doreen pare 1095 02:11:12.904 --> 02:11:16.044 something in its That has also some input of 1096 02:11:16.454 --> 02:11:19.914 a bot or is that they've had an opportunity to look at it and then we come back 1097 02:11:19.924 --> 02:11:24.836 we've got something concrete in paper that we vote on of them that I would agree 1098 02:11:24.846 --> 02:11:29.016 with that I think I think that list of conditions needs to be in the form of 1099 02:11:29.026 --> 02:11:35.766 a south or recreation policy because that's the policy may change over time based 1100 02:11:35.776 --> 02:11:42.757 on. These annual conversations with the butter's So I think the one that we do is 1101 02:11:42.767 --> 02:11:48.418 going to be what it is right now but the condition is that it continues to meet the 1102 02:11:49.298 --> 02:11:50.458 conditions of the South 1103 02:11:50.468 --> 02:11:55.050 a recreation and light policy for the field this is on the agenda for the 1104 02:11:55.060 --> 02:12:01.002 Recreation Commission tomorrow so it could be done tomorrow Ok I'm thinking I'm 1105 02:12:01.012 --> 02:12:04.622 thinking about that kind of legally Yeah I can envision that you know you have 1106 02:12:04.632 --> 02:12:06.882 a special you have a variance and you have 1107 02:12:06.892 --> 02:12:10.664 a condition but the conditions don't change over time they're just additions Right 1108 02:12:10.924 --> 02:12:13.354 right but to me I think Paul made 1109 02:12:13.364 --> 02:12:19.704 a good point I mean I did absolutely one. Of the by far by far the most important 1110 02:12:20.034 --> 02:12:25.374 thing is that there's a 9 o'clock shadow I also think would there be 1111 02:12:25.384 --> 02:12:26.504 a benefit in also having 1112 02:12:26.514 --> 02:12:32.924 a seasonal shot off that you know between November 1st of February 28th Ok by 1113 02:12:32.934 --> 02:12:39.756 disgust meaning that the lights are when there's snow on the ground there is no 1114 02:12:39.766 --> 02:12:43.676 way someone could just kind of for fun they're like Chinese or when this snow on 1115 02:12:43.686 --> 02:12:45.856 the ground the fields are now open all right that's 1116 02:12:45.866 --> 02:12:48.576 a good one when what is the season for this doing. 1117 02:12:52.480 --> 02:12:59.230 So at the meeting I outlined exactly when the fields are used in the how often and 1118 02:12:59.240 --> 02:13:04.180 what times during the year when we had the discussion we did not go through the 1119 02:13:04.190 --> 02:13:10.300 detail of what term what months or parts of months we would do this it basically 1120 02:13:10.310 --> 02:13:16.690 came down to the time because that was the time that lights would shut off by. So 1121 02:13:16.700 --> 02:13:22.710 we didn't get into that detail. This season you know if to answer the question 1122 02:13:23.050 --> 02:13:24.240 baseball on 1123 02:13:24.250 --> 02:13:31.080 a good year will start April 1st and it ends the end of July 1124 02:13:31.430 --> 02:13:34.640 for to spring summer season we have 1125 02:13:34.650 --> 02:13:38.250 a little bit of stuff in the fall and so I had outlined this to the neighbors in 1126 02:13:38.260 --> 02:13:42.500 terms of the number of hours we would use it then you know as it starts getting 1127 02:13:42.510 --> 02:13:46.940 darker for Fall Ball in October and November and all it. 1128 02:13:49.641 --> 02:13:54.291 Used goes way down at that point in time as well. There is 1129 02:13:54.301 --> 02:13:58.741 a fall yeah yeah obviously it is an all or yeah it's just the teams that you're 1130 02:13:58.751 --> 02:14:05.321 talking much smaller and you know it's good news well yeah we wouldn't need as 1131 02:14:05.471 --> 02:14:10.991 we would potentially need the lights but you probably need them 6 to 8 as well 1132 02:14:11.001 --> 02:14:15.961 right now right up in baseball and I. Wish we could you know. 1133 02:14:19.493 --> 02:14:22.864 When it's not baseball season I mean obviously it's 1134 02:14:22.874 --> 02:14:24.424 a stuff in here about itself or 1135 02:14:24.434 --> 02:14:30.344 a wreck being able to parties birthday parties for local residents. Other sports 1136 02:14:30.404 --> 02:14:36.690 when never never another sport could use those lights cross-country skiing. They 1137 02:14:36.700 --> 02:14:40.840 want to go in circles but I don't want to tell you how to run your mate in 1138 02:14:40.850 --> 02:14:46.400 a raid to like that but I kind of like suggestion maybe you guys could come up with 1139 02:14:46.410 --> 02:14:50.280 something like if you're going to maybe not make it official though if because you 1140 02:14:50.290 --> 02:14:53.500 need to have all the details where you could even come have like 1141 02:14:53.510 --> 02:14:58.010 a partial voter just to see where everyone stands because everyone keeps coming 1142 02:14:58.020 --> 02:15:03.860 back each week each time and you may don't want to deal with us all you can say hey 1143 02:15:03.870 --> 02:15:06.760 we're not going to vote here we're going to vote for it and there's 1144 02:15:06.770 --> 02:15:10.480 a contingent that you know this gets written or this doesn't get written that way 1145 02:15:10.490 --> 02:15:12.010 the people in favor of it people not 1146 02:15:12.020 --> 02:15:16.270 a favorite you don't have to be in your face and if you are some Are you in favor 1147 02:15:16.280 --> 02:15:22.290 of it approving it with conditions and you can say yes now I don't I don't know yet 1148 02:15:22.300 --> 02:15:27.880 need still more information. I would be in favor of approving this with conditions 1149 02:15:27.920 --> 02:15:34.663 Ok David. I do 1150 02:15:34.673 --> 02:15:35.013 struggle 1151 02:15:35.023 --> 02:15:39.683 a little bit but I think I generally favor of it with conditions. I'm in favor with 1152 02:15:39.693 --> 02:15:42.005 conditions I agree I'm 1153 02:15:42.015 --> 02:15:48.347 a favor conditions and the biggest they get the condition to be cleared properly Ok 1154 02:15:48.387 --> 02:15:49.337 so it looks like there's 1155 02:15:49.347 --> 02:15:54.037 a consensus that we should go in that direction so I think it then makes sense to 1156 02:15:55.229 --> 02:16:01.604 continue the hearing. We could try to continue would to 1157 02:16:01.644 --> 02:16:07.434 a shorter date so that the skips. Moving and then we can we can have 1158 02:16:07.444 --> 02:16:13.914 a set of you can come to us before that meeting with proposed conditions for a 1159 02:16:14.094 --> 02:16:20.915 a variance and then the the next hearing is really focused on the conditions on 1160 02:16:20.925 --> 02:16:26.378 them and the wording of this that makes sense so what is the other approach that we 1161 02:16:26.468 --> 02:16:32.828 don't know what is the amount of time that you need to get that done far us you 1162 02:16:32.838 --> 02:16:37.578 know week to week 3 weeks what do you think the commissions mean tomorrow night 1163 02:16:38.388 --> 02:16:44.600 baseball can you be at that meeting and get it done. Do it you can do it tomorrow 1164 02:16:44.610 --> 02:16:49.420 and we can try to finalize it tomorrow night but I do think that the above her 1165 02:16:49.430 --> 02:16:56.041 should have. Been happy to email it out again so I don't even know they're wired I 1166 02:16:56.051 --> 02:17:01.141 just trust that you guys will. Only have open lines of communication and you can 1167 02:17:01.151 --> 02:17:05.221 call the recreation department and ask how the conditions are going you can see 1168 02:17:05.231 --> 02:17:09.161 a copy if we get them in enough advance hopefully like 1169 02:17:09.171 --> 02:17:13.251 a week before the next year and we can try to post them on the website so they're 1170 02:17:13.261 --> 02:17:18.231 also available. And for the abettors I know you are asking. 1171 02:17:19.872 --> 02:17:24.042 To get a straw vote like we just did to give you a sense as to whether or not of 1172 02:17:24.052 --> 02:17:27.872 a keeps need to come up I would still recommend for this next meeting where We're 1173 02:17:27.882 --> 02:17:33.731 hashing out the final conditions to be here absolutely yeah I like I said I only 1174 02:17:33.831 --> 02:17:40.441 received one response so it would have been more helpful if we got these responses 1175 02:17:40.601 --> 02:17:45.461 ahead of the meeting and we could have addressed even more so please respond to the 1176 02:17:45.471 --> 02:17:49.751 emails with any thoughts I have and attend the Recreation Commission meeting 1177 02:17:49.761 --> 02:17:56.641 tomorrow if you can so in terms of other dates. I was thinking about 1178 02:17:56.651 --> 02:18:01.981 Wednesday the 1st of March put that I think that's 2 weeks out 3 weeks 2 and 1179 02:18:01.991 --> 02:18:08.041 a half and I agree and next week is vacation we can only and the issue is that 1180 02:18:08.623 --> 02:18:09.773 right we only have 1181 02:18:09.783 --> 02:18:16.143 a standing reservation for the through on like 3rd and 4th Wednesday of the year 1182 02:18:16.623 --> 02:18:23.363 of the month but we could still move it to the March 1st and then if the worst that 1183 02:18:23.373 --> 02:18:29.386 happens is we go to another we go to court of the hall and we're not taped I'm 1184 02:18:29.396 --> 02:18:33.958 still in favor of why can't we have it in. If it's not it is I think we may 1185 02:18:33.968 --> 02:18:37.398 probably will be able to have it here we just can't guarantee it right now because 1186 02:18:37.408 --> 02:18:44.058 we have to justify which would you say thank you to. You Ok great Ok 1187 02:18:44.478 --> 02:18:45.288 so does that is that 1188 02:18:45.298 --> 02:18:48.798 a date that works for everyone I'm going on the 1st you know and we can do it with 1189 02:18:48.808 --> 02:18:55.800 7 o'clock Ok so. So I want to work for you 1190 02:18:56.360 --> 02:19:03.140 yeah I guess I'm. Yeah I'm trying to figure out what more we're going to come West 1191 02:19:03.150 --> 02:19:09.040 and exactly what you're looking for because I think right now we could say we could 1192 02:19:09.050 --> 02:19:15.530 spell out exactly what those 7 points are and I understand I think 1193 02:19:15.860 --> 02:19:16.510 you're 1194 02:19:16.740 --> 02:19:21.630 a little bit frustrated because this is taking some time and it is just how it 1195 02:19:21.640 --> 02:19:25.440 works and that from my experience from these meetings once once we get the 1196 02:19:25.450 --> 02:19:32.131 conditions that's an at least another hour discussing the whole detail of all the 1197 02:19:32.141 --> 02:19:35.271 wording so I mean I think there's a there's 1198 02:19:35.281 --> 02:19:40.751 a consensus here on the board that where in favor of granting the application with 1199 02:19:40.761 --> 02:19:43.911 some conditions but there's just there's no way we're going to get that done 1200 02:19:43.921 --> 02:19:46.931 tonight plus we still have the tennis court thing which we haven't even gotten to 1201 02:19:46.941 --> 02:19:51.264 yet there's just not enough time that's all and it would help to have things 1202 02:19:51.274 --> 02:19:56.026 written down I understand you got something written down here but it sounds like 1203 02:19:56.036 --> 02:19:59.346 some of these are still up in the air the neighbors wanted some additional 1204 02:19:59.356 --> 02:20:04.346 clarification I'm Ok if what you submit is pretty much the same as what this is 1205 02:20:04.356 --> 02:20:08.466 because to me the number one thing is the 9 o'clock shut off I guess that's that's 1206 02:20:08.476 --> 02:20:13.136 my question in terms of the expectation for what will have the next time we meet is 1207 02:20:13.146 --> 02:20:15.936 it a set of conditions that all of the above is 1208 02:20:15.946 --> 02:20:18.456 a signing off on because I'm not quite sure we'll get there 1209 02:20:18.466 --> 02:20:25.406 a thing I don't think you will be additions let's let you try to narrow things as 1210 02:20:25.416 --> 02:20:32.327 much as possible so I mean we've seen this happen before where you can say I don't 1211 02:20:32.337 --> 02:20:38.980 want to once you start showing copies to. The abattoirs you're probably find 1212 02:20:38.990 --> 02:20:39.560 agreement on 1213 02:20:39.570 --> 02:20:42.870 a lot of them and you can tell us which points there is an agreement and keep in 1214 02:20:42.880 --> 02:20:47.620 mind they're at the meeting so if you haven't tried to fine tune this and make it 1215 02:20:47.630 --> 02:20:52.680 as good as possible then that meeting just goes on forever you know because they're 1216 02:20:52.690 --> 02:20:55.780 going to say oh no that's not what we talked about it's not worded the right way 1217 02:20:55.790 --> 02:20:59.350 and then we all got to sit around and figure out the right wording so so it sounds 1218 02:20:59.360 --> 02:21:05.810 like the only issue is that that practice wording because you know we know we have 1219 02:21:05.820 --> 02:21:09.270 yes I think in the main the make up that you mentioned yeah that makes it very. 1220 02:21:10.490 --> 02:21:14.450 Requests that coaches or users turn off the lights at the conclusion of the game 1221 02:21:14.460 --> 02:21:19.230 even if it's not 9 o'clock the you know it says there's 1222 02:21:19.240 --> 02:21:22.790 a mid-season meeting but it doesn't say that it's each year so you need to modify 1223 02:21:22.800 --> 02:21:27.670 it that. There's no practices after games you know there's 1224 02:21:27.680 --> 02:21:33.250 a wee hours of lunch of things in here that are just kind of not solid enough and I 1225 02:21:33.260 --> 02:21:37.520 don't think there's I'm not expecting there to be an issue in getting them solid 1226 02:21:37.530 --> 02:21:44.020 enough it's just that now isn't the time and the better and more so they are when 1227 02:21:44.030 --> 02:21:50.241 we're here on the 1st the quicker and smoother everything goes Ok so. 1228 02:21:52.011 --> 02:21:52.981 Then I would like to have 1229 02:21:52.991 --> 02:21:56.481 a motion to continue until right thank you for your continuous I just want to ask 1230 02:21:56.491 --> 02:22:03.095 one question on this the hours so we're we're granting a variance for 1231 02:22:03.105 --> 02:22:08.295 a light pole height I mean as it stands they again they could put lights in up to 1232 02:22:08.305 --> 02:22:15.211 20 feet 25 feet is regulation I think it's that we're 1233 02:22:15.221 --> 02:22:20.111 relevant. So we're going to have so the you know the variance being requested is 1234 02:22:20.121 --> 02:22:27.041 for the height of the hours is there if if by right they could put lights in and 1235 02:22:27.051 --> 02:22:33.914 up to 2025 whatever is there is there. Is there or is 1236 02:22:33.924 --> 02:22:34.584 there or is there 1237 02:22:34.594 --> 02:22:41.431 a time limit on 10 pm every night so. So they 1238 02:22:41.441 --> 02:22:46.151 could put up whatever 20 foot lights haven't lit up till 10 o'clock at night 1239 02:22:46.831 --> 02:22:51.322 without coming to us and just getting it approved of the plane in the plane board 1240 02:22:51.332 --> 02:22:53.405 lot so in 1241 02:22:53.415 --> 02:22:59.045 a sense this is I mean this and I guess I was even aware of that so you buy right 1242 02:22:59.055 --> 02:23:01.765 you could have the still time and so there's is 1243 02:23:01.775 --> 02:23:08.418 a concession to. To bring it you know to bring it back to an earlier hour yeah 1244 02:23:10.969 --> 02:23:13.652 yeah yeah excuse me. 1245 02:23:17.942 --> 02:23:19.682 That was because the meeting between the residents 1246 02:23:19.692 --> 02:23:25.812 a Little League. Originally were say 10 o'clock people good little kids go to bed 1247 02:23:26.022 --> 02:23:30.022 before no I know that I tried no I didn't know that we had time enough there was 1248 02:23:30.032 --> 02:23:33.662 a time limit that was Joey So we're not of where they came up at the 9 o'clock that 1249 02:23:33.672 --> 02:23:36.642 was you know right there and I was more worried about the other way around it's not 1250 02:23:36.652 --> 02:23:36.872 like 1251 02:23:36.882 --> 02:23:41.982 a 8 o'clock thing work standing up by an extra hour or so you know so we're actually 1252 02:23:41.992 --> 02:23:45.895 short it's would be a shortening it's jam and yes I make 1253 02:23:45.905 --> 02:23:52.475 a motion we continue this hearing and till March 1st at 7 o'clock their 2nd 2nd 1254 02:23:52.895 --> 02:23:59.767 all those in favor. And I think as far as the tennis court thing goes 1255 02:24:00.540 --> 02:24:04.070 we just can continue that to the same one I don't know if there's any more I don't 1256 02:24:04.080 --> 02:24:09.180 know well let's hold up you want to take a I'm actually not in favor of taking 1257 02:24:09.190 --> 02:24:15.560 a little thank you I'd rather just you know if you know meaning I'd like to just 1258 02:24:15.640 --> 02:24:22.590 you know I don't know some people may leave but. It's. This question of the 1259 02:24:22.600 --> 02:24:28.270 tennis court you. Know I mean when you very much discussion of the Tellus quite. 1260 02:24:30.590 --> 02:24:36.270 So the next the next matter. On the agenda is the continued hearing for the 1261 02:24:38.010 --> 02:24:43.331 variance for lights at the tennis courts. And. 1262 02:24:45.091 --> 02:24:45.471 I'd like 1263 02:24:45.481 --> 02:24:52.041 a report Doreen about what discussions you've had about this proposed policy. 1264 02:24:56.812 --> 02:25:03.752 So in that same butters meeting we discussed the tennis lights and Mr Wallace 1265 02:25:04.963 --> 02:25:11.843 and Mr Robbins were there. And. So basically the 1266 02:25:11.853 --> 02:25:18.433 same concerns were brought up there are you your Mr Wallace Ok. So the same 1267 02:25:18.663 --> 02:25:25.114 concerns were brought up there Mr Robbins brought up the fact that. Lights It was 1268 02:25:25.124 --> 02:25:29.844 promised that no lights would be put in on the on the fields when tried it was 1269 02:25:29.854 --> 02:25:36.635 being built. I wasn't around for that so I don't know 1270 02:25:36.815 --> 02:25:41.645 I did check with Mr Case of it you was there for that and he confirmed that there 1271 02:25:41.655 --> 02:25:41.825 was 1272 02:25:41.835 --> 02:25:47.707 a promise made however I don't think there's anything official. That says they can't 1273 02:25:47.717 --> 02:25:48.157 i was just 1274 02:25:48.167 --> 02:25:55.190 a commitment out of meeting yeah for several meetings you know the other concern 1275 02:25:55.200 --> 02:26:01.741 that was brought up was the. The mass school building authority. 1276 02:26:02.951 --> 02:26:08.811 And the funding we received from the state to build Try to your school. Was there 1277 02:26:08.821 --> 02:26:13.481 any stipulations in there about not putting lights on the campus because when they 1278 02:26:13.531 --> 02:26:16.751 build the bridge from Neary to try to hear it became 1279 02:26:16.761 --> 02:26:23.711 a campus I checked with school administration staff they don't recall any of that 1280 02:26:23.831 --> 02:26:29.681 they couldn't find any paperwork on it at the time you know unless we really dig 1281 02:26:29.691 --> 02:26:35.331 deep they didn't have anything on. I checked with the building inspector he didn't 1282 02:26:35.341 --> 02:26:42.140 have anything in his files on that. Cheryl of back just she said in 1283 02:26:42.150 --> 02:26:45.660 just in her opinion she said she didn't think that the state would put 1284 02:26:45.700 --> 02:26:49.890 a condition like that into something for funding for 1285 02:26:49.900 --> 02:26:56.210 a project like that so I thought I'd checked as much as I could on all the concerns 1286 02:26:56.220 --> 02:27:02.960 you had and also then we also received every talked with Mr Robbins 1287 02:27:02.970 --> 02:27:09.581 today and he brought up some other points that I did email to Karen. 1288 02:27:12.455 --> 02:27:19.315 He brought up an article regarding playing under the lights. My 1289 02:27:19.485 --> 02:27:23.765 point of view on that is people have an option to play or not under lights the 1290 02:27:23.775 --> 02:27:28.825 lights that we will be privy the lights that they talk about in the article are not 1291 02:27:28.835 --> 02:27:33.705 good lighting conditions which in most municipal parks they're not the greatest 1292 02:27:33.715 --> 02:27:34.795 They will like the lights we have 1293 02:27:34.805 --> 02:27:40.667 a chill field which were not that great we're putting in some high end lighting 1294 02:27:40.937 --> 02:27:45.708 which will help with the tennis courts and he asked if we could put in some trees 1295 02:27:45.718 --> 02:27:47.428 on the north side which I don't see 1296 02:27:47.438 --> 02:27:53.980 a problem with doing that. Removing the existing old street light poles in the pond 1297 02:27:53.990 --> 02:27:55.800 area I would check with d.p.w. 1298 02:27:55.810 --> 02:27:59.450 That would be under their purview. I don't forsee 1299 02:27:59.460 --> 02:28:05.270 a problem with that you don't I don't really we can do that but that's that's their 1300 02:28:05.280 --> 02:28:10.740 call I mean because I don't know how they get in there and when I walked out I 1301 02:28:10.750 --> 02:28:11.450 think there's definitely 1302 02:28:11.460 --> 02:28:16.620 a point there that it's very odd all of you guys have seen it but they're basically 1303 02:28:16.620 --> 02:28:22.820 . Old school telephone right that's now surrounded by 1304 02:28:22.830 --> 02:28:28.620 a kind of us. Doesn't work I mean so that's really just that's under her it would 1305 02:28:28.630 --> 02:28:31.440 be perfect when you're doing demolition in 1306 02:28:31.450 --> 02:28:35.650 a wetlands area you know which So it probably hurts Army Corps of Engineer or 1307 02:28:35.660 --> 02:28:40.440 something crazy. He requested 1308 02:28:40.450 --> 02:28:45.340 a push button to shut off the lights so if somebody showed up trying to decide to 1309 02:28:45.350 --> 02:28:48.270 leave 5 minutes later. This should be 1310 02:28:48.280 --> 02:28:54.350 a button to turn them off I don't believe there's only one push button and that's 1311 02:28:54.360 --> 02:29:00.050 to extend the light time not to turn it off what we will do is 1312 02:29:01.351 --> 02:29:06.581 limit the time so if you push the button the the lights can stay on for 30 minutes 1313 02:29:06.801 --> 02:29:11.341 45 minutes and out you set the time the more you push the more you know you have to 1314 02:29:11.351 --> 02:29:15.161 keep coming back you have to keep it yeah yeah there will be like 1315 02:29:15.171 --> 02:29:19.741 a little light thing that says Ok We're going to turn off in 5 minutes hurry up and 1316 02:29:19.751 --> 02:29:23.801 go to push it again if you want to keep playing otherwise they'll turn off when we 1317 02:29:23.811 --> 02:29:29.431 set it whatever it's set to we'll do that and then he wants to make sure the lights 1318 02:29:29.441 --> 02:29:33.412 shut off at 9 not 930 I don't have 1319 02:29:33.422 --> 02:29:37.772 a problem with that we can shut him off at 9 through the whole week instead of 130 1320 02:29:37.782 --> 02:29:44.502 on the weekends I was just following the same on the other. I also emailed 1321 02:29:44.512 --> 02:29:47.002 you several I think 1322 02:29:47.122 --> 02:29:53.132 a dozen emails of support for the lights those are all residents that support the 1323 02:29:53.142 --> 02:29:59.812 lights and I can just. List them 1324 02:29:59.822 --> 02:30:05.232 off because are there just emails from support that you got the Santa last one from 1325 02:30:05.272 --> 02:30:11.494 David Moore Suhana far have. Ashvin that's 1326 02:30:13.205 --> 02:30:19.625 highly Yarraman Ted Davis can't believe poly Denise. 1327 02:30:21.225 --> 02:30:27.849 Mohammed. I mean Robin Logan Claire Fishman 1328 02:30:28.860 --> 02:30:29.870 Patricia Richards. 1329 02:30:36.506 --> 02:30:41.846 You know after what we just went through with the other lights maybe there's more 1330 02:30:41.856 --> 02:30:48.631 tightening up on these as well these policies. And is the schedule similar to Moni 1331 02:30:48.641 --> 02:30:54.301 as far as getting installation does this require that same funding. C.p.c. 1332 02:30:54.341 --> 02:31:00.384 Approved it to go on to town meeting Ok I passed the muster in this but let me just 1333 02:31:00.394 --> 02:31:05.754 for clarity of mean that's not on the March 8th now it's on the right on Haber one 1334 02:31:05.834 --> 02:31:07.994 kind of I just I know we have 1335 02:31:08.004 --> 02:31:13.444 a special one on March 8th but I think the the lose the war and. The right now is 1336 02:31:13.454 --> 02:31:20.056 also subject to approval. So 1337 02:31:20.066 --> 02:31:25.437 these these part this policy seems obviously far simpler because you're not dealing 1338 02:31:25.447 --> 02:31:31.820 with an organized sport and everything else. I don't know if there's 1339 02:31:33.223 --> 02:31:37.763 I mean I'd like to hear from Mr Wallace from Mr Robinson but I'm not saying exactly 1340 02:31:37.773 --> 02:31:42.613 how much more tightening up there could be on these. You know changing the date for 1341 02:31:42.623 --> 02:31:43.563 the week it's not 1342 02:31:43.573 --> 02:31:50.117 a clock the last one I think you should have an annual meeting kind of like you are 1343 02:31:50.127 --> 02:31:54.017 with the baseball folks an annual meeting to address any concerns that come up 1344 02:31:54.457 --> 02:31:58.087 obviously any concerns that come up can be addressed it any time but at least in 1345 02:31:58.097 --> 02:32:04.621 a very meeting. But yeah yeah I would agree that it's pretty straightforward 1346 02:32:04.631 --> 02:32:05.401 compared to those. 1347 02:32:13.172 --> 02:32:18.392 I'm inclined to try and finish this one way or the other tonight really I mean do 1348 02:32:18.402 --> 02:32:24.054 we I mean again I'd like to hear from Mr Wallace Mr Robbins you know I go to 1349 02:32:24.064 --> 02:32:30.934 a microphone whoever was not. Ok The other issue in 1350 02:32:31.104 --> 02:32:38.030 fact those conditions be clarified proper to. Right I think we're saying. 1351 02:32:39.560 --> 02:32:45.910 Right here not much to them throughout it's thank you. Mike Robbins 47 your foot 1352 02:32:45.920 --> 02:32:52.090 road I would like. For us to get. A final confirmation. 1353 02:32:54.050 --> 02:33:00.880 Joe Bonney myself my father. All recall that when Trotter 1354 02:33:00.890 --> 02:33:05.860 was put in there were promises made that no lights trying to see if we can check 1355 02:33:05.870 --> 02:33:07.890 the site plan approval that has 1356 02:33:07.930 --> 02:33:12.420 a stipulation that no lights go in and whether it's try to or near it this is all 1357 02:33:12.430 --> 02:33:17.160 part of the same Trotty or Neary campus and so to me 1358 02:33:17.740 --> 02:33:22.652 a promise by the townspeople that no lights are going to go in. That's 1359 02:33:22.662 --> 02:33:28.642 a promise that should be kept on. You know that's 1st and foremost and again Joe's 1360 02:33:28.812 --> 02:33:33.252 trying to find out just researching minutes and times and also trying to see the 1361 02:33:33.262 --> 02:33:40.172 site plan approval that might say no lights are approved so to me I think 1362 02:33:40.182 --> 02:33:44.932 any decision until we have that whether it's in writing or not I think that needs 1363 02:33:44.942 --> 02:33:49.362 to get verified because I think that's really important. I would you really want to 1364 02:33:49.372 --> 02:33:55.082 thank the Parks Commission I know this is not easy for them when it gets ballyhoo 1365 02:33:55.092 --> 02:33:59.212 of nose on one side it's about who of us is on the other so thank you guys for 1366 02:33:59.222 --> 02:34:04.132 putting up with me especially because I'm terrible and then again I really just 1367 02:34:04.142 --> 02:34:10.412 stand on just there's I don't see the legal hardship here I don't see how this 1368 02:34:10.422 --> 02:34:12.362 falls into a legal grant for 1369 02:34:12.372 --> 02:34:16.622 a variance I don't see how it meets the legal requirements for 1370 02:34:16.632 --> 02:34:19.652 a variance to be granted there's no legal right for 1371 02:34:19.662 --> 02:34:25.732 a variance there's no there's I don't see the soil shaped I don't see the hardship 1372 02:34:26.492 --> 02:34:31.192 you can make an argument about the need but I honestly even if there were. 1373 02:34:32.620 --> 02:34:36.470 Everything else I just don't see the legal basis for granting 1374 02:34:36.480 --> 02:34:43.341 a variance on this and thank you. I Richard was 18 Clifford 1375 02:34:43.601 --> 02:34:50.411 Street. I don't see the hardship either for this this 1376 02:34:50.421 --> 02:34:57.041 project. But I guess my concern is not only the light pollution from the lights but 1377 02:34:57.051 --> 02:35:03.271 the height of the lights the the poles at 50 feet would be about the same height as 1378 02:35:03.281 --> 02:35:10.161 the trees and I would suggest recommend or requested that. Shorter 1379 02:35:10.211 --> 02:35:16.331 Poles be considered We are not dealing with 5 balls on the tennis court so it 1380 02:35:16.341 --> 02:35:21.521 doesn't seem to me that 50 foot light poles are really necessary something in the 1381 02:35:21.531 --> 02:35:26.801 neighborhood of 30 feet has been recommended by tennis organizations as sufficient 1382 02:35:27.171 --> 02:35:33.951 and I feel that that would be better for the neighborhood Thank you. I did check 1383 02:35:33.961 --> 02:35:40.881 that with Moscow can bring sorry I missed that Moscow said that they do they put 1384 02:35:40.891 --> 02:35:46.821 the lights at that height for the benefit of anybody abiding the properties so the 1385 02:35:46.831 --> 02:35:50.331 lower you go the more spillage you're going to get because they don't have the 1386 02:35:50.341 --> 02:35:57.071 right but the rising of leads up higher so it's one of the other 1387 02:35:57.591 --> 02:36:03.142 you know. But part of that is the cover you have 2 courts there correct 3 or you're 1388 02:36:03.152 --> 02:36:07.182 3 right so that's 4 of part of the height and I think I remember we talked about at 1389 02:36:07.192 --> 02:36:11.472 the last meeting if you made them shorter than you need to put in more you have to 1390 02:36:11.482 --> 02:36:12.212 put in more like 1391 02:36:12.252 --> 02:36:19.251 a light more light so. But but that was also what they talked about as 1392 02:36:19.261 --> 02:36:24.411 well was that the lower it was they took the cover everything had to go up might 1393 02:36:24.421 --> 02:36:29.691 actually have more would have more spillage more spillage benefits the surrounding 1394 02:36:29.701 --> 02:36:35.301 people so they don't see all the light because of it directing of the hoods I mean 1395 02:36:35.341 --> 02:36:42.105 yeah yeah. So I 1396 02:36:42.305 --> 02:36:44.215 I mean I do think that Mr Robbins made 1397 02:36:44.225 --> 02:36:50.939 a good point of trying to get an answer as much as possible regarding past 1398 02:36:50.949 --> 02:36:57.832 promises. But I don't think that should be an open ended 1399 02:36:57.912 --> 02:37:04.645 search so if we just I mean one easy thing we could do is even if we were 1400 02:37:05.025 --> 02:37:10.998 very close to making it could just continue until the same time on March 1st and 1401 02:37:11.008 --> 02:37:12.828 they'll be allowed to hear something 1402 02:37:12.838 --> 02:37:17.129 a role not you're seeing right now I think that that's kind of where I was thinking 1403 02:37:17.139 --> 02:37:21.419 is you know we can continue to the 1st and if we can't find anything by then then 1404 02:37:21.429 --> 02:37:24.579 we're going to assume it doesn't exist on the lights I don't know if you're talking 1405 02:37:25.289 --> 02:37:29.259 Chris of your heart attack Chris Mike sorry but if you're talking about 1406 02:37:29.649 --> 02:37:33.669 a promise that there were never be lights put in for the tennis court or the just 1407 02:37:36.031 --> 02:37:38.873 you know like. When you talk into 1408 02:37:38.883 --> 02:37:45.671 a microphone sorry. And again this was 1718 years ago so I 1409 02:37:46.131 --> 02:37:51.821 don't quote me but it was there was all this consternation Pyatt like you imagine 1410 02:37:51.831 --> 02:37:58.681 Park Central but for the school like this was really just an epic battle and it was 1411 02:37:58.751 --> 02:38:02.161 more like well what we don't want to this is the neighbors what we don't want is we 1412 02:38:02.171 --> 02:38:06.321 don't want to build the school and then it's just this industrial field complex 1413 02:38:06.331 --> 02:38:10.941 with lights on and so I like we want light any of the fields and that's where it 1414 02:38:10.951 --> 02:38:16.081 was kind of left and so Joe's checking the minutes and we're trying to try to track 1415 02:38:16.091 --> 02:38:19.851 down the site plan because I think because I have you know thinking about these 1416 02:38:19.891 --> 02:38:23.011 hearings I haven't driven through it at night and there are already are 1417 02:38:23.021 --> 02:38:26.991 a lot of lights on but they're the ones that are on the roads and all on the roads 1418 02:38:27.001 --> 02:38:31.861 in the school but not the fields but not the fields and so just as someone who 1419 02:38:31.871 --> 02:38:37.181 lives right next to the school it's again now you've got multiple fields and it's 1420 02:38:37.221 --> 02:38:41.391 oh it 1st is the tennis courts now it's the soccer one soccer to soccer and you 1421 02:38:41.401 --> 02:38:47.193 just see work oh so one thing that I think we're thinking about is for the show if 1422 02:38:47.203 --> 02:38:54.145 you will present the must. Really explain 1423 02:38:57.696 --> 02:39:03.638 that light which is still wetlands that just spills light at least that's what 1424 02:39:03.838 --> 02:39:09.370 these photos that these lights are made you go up and you just kind of point down 1425 02:39:09.410 --> 02:39:10.240 so there is 1426 02:39:10.250 --> 02:39:16.320 a heated reduces the amount of light spillage and if you're promised no lights. 1427 02:39:18.011 --> 02:39:22.141 I just I just don't see how 15 years later when no one else is on the board that 1428 02:39:22.151 --> 02:39:27.571 remembers that goes. You know that was 15 years ago we're good now it's changed 1429 02:39:28.021 --> 02:39:31.461 Well I think Craig brings up a good point though because if that was 1430 02:39:31.471 --> 02:39:35.531 a commitment there's got to be a record for it somewhere and I think it's probably 1431 02:39:35.541 --> 02:39:40.511 a good point to say let's not have this go on oh no I agree we just we're trying to 1432 02:39:40.521 --> 02:39:43.781 find I'm trying to find it in the site plan Joe's trying to check the minutes to 1433 02:39:43.791 --> 02:39:50.051 find out and again I don't it's 20 years ago I my memory might not be perfect but I 1434 02:39:50.061 --> 02:39:54.491 really do recall this being just a real source of the neighbors and 1435 02:39:54.501 --> 02:39:58.031 a butters and all the people were promised that the fields weren't going to get it 1436 02:39:58.111 --> 02:39:59.151 and so it just feels like 1437 02:39:59.161 --> 02:40:06.124 a betrayal of that. Yes sorry Joe case of it and he emailed me 1438 02:40:06.414 --> 02:40:11.766 he's already mail me twice trying to track that down but in his e-mail to me he and 1439 02:40:11.776 --> 02:40:13.276 I can afford it he was like yes there was 1440 02:40:13.286 --> 02:40:19.309 a promise from the lights. You want to make and I make 1441 02:40:19.319 --> 02:40:25.369 a motion that we continue this year until the much 1st at $715.00. 1442 02:40:29.592 --> 02:40:30.122 I have 1443 02:40:30.132 --> 02:40:37.442 a question but I could I guess I could we. All remember it. Might be gone by that 1444 02:40:37.452 --> 02:40:44.383 Ok so just to in this case whether I 1445 02:40:44.393 --> 02:40:47.573 actually would like clarification for it you're asking for so I'm not disregarding 1446 02:40:47.583 --> 02:40:53.375 that because that that's what my points I'd like to see that clarified if if if 1447 02:40:53.385 --> 02:40:58.145 large were available allowable here is this is same type rules as with the other 1448 02:40:58.155 --> 02:41:03.005 thing are are by right 20 foot lights till 10 o'clock available is that the same 1449 02:41:03.015 --> 02:41:09.730 Would that be the same same same 2020 foot like anywhere they want to pull. Any 1450 02:41:09.740 --> 02:41:14.060 kind of assuming that there was any wind when there's no restrictions and I do you 1451 02:41:14.070 --> 02:41:15.050 know like a plan to have 1452 02:41:15.390 --> 02:41:20.590 a problem this is so troubling if there's no restrictions 20 foot lights till 10 1453 02:41:20.600 --> 02:41:27.332 o'clock would would would be legal it's the same same correct but I'll make 1454 02:41:27.342 --> 02:41:34.012 a motion to continue until March 1st at 732nd to No $715.00. 1455 02:41:35.022 --> 02:41:41.845 Second all of them are. Ok I make another motion on like this 1456 02:41:41.855 --> 02:41:43.245 one I think it's 1457 02:41:43.255 --> 02:41:49.248 a motion to adjourn so I doubt. We have nothing else on the other one I did was. I 1458 02:41:49.258 --> 02:41:54.118 make a motion I'm sorry I don't Last thing here in the Senate over an e-mail 1459 02:41:54.128 --> 02:41:59.200 a reminder that we have a epics that we have to fix 1460 02:41:59.770 --> 02:42:03.780 a refresher course that you have to do but I think it's early just reminding 1461 02:42:03.790 --> 02:42:09.591 everyone that I finished my and yesterday Ok bye it was trial remember mine was 1462 02:42:09.601 --> 02:42:12.661 filed until I started to put a very good I make 1463 02:42:12.671 --> 02:42:18.001 a motion that would most probably carry go because well just so many boys me let me 1464 02:42:18.011 --> 02:42:18.231 just 1465 02:42:18.441 --> 02:42:25.307 a 2nd this motion to adjourn all those in favor. The bow tie.